It's a package. It all needs to get done at, more or less, the same time. Putting someone in housing then on the 6-12 month waitlist for rehab or mental health support is just setting them up to fail. It is more humane than letting them freeze on the street, but it is not attempting to tackle the root cause.A place to live is fundamental, but separating the housing from the other support services is setting people up to fail.It's the same reasons that public housing needs to not keep being pushed to the cheaper fringes of the city. The people using public housing need support services that are not on the fringes of the city, medical, mental, legal and financial. Putting the housing where it makes it harder to access services is just cruel and causes even more problems.Near to me is an estate that became a notorious violent ghetto due to the creation of public housing without appropriate services available. The individual places were nice enough made, 2 story independent townhouse type places, but too remote and too many, too close together.I agree, get people in housing, but we have to put in the effort to get them the help they need too.
sounds more like a mass transit issue, LA needs to wake the fuck up and invest in infrastructure that ignores what moronic "stars" like Vince Vaughn are comfortable with
we're trying, it's tough here because the city of LA is over 500 sq miles (and that's only half the metro area, compared to manhattan which is 22 sq miles. also we have earthquakes, so it's hard to convince people to go underground, we don't even have basements here. we actually had a great public transport system about 100 years ago, but GM, Firestone, and Getty oil killed it.
Not long ago, employers spent more resources training their employees. So many jobs should not require college degrees. I have worked with too many college graduates who had writing and arithmetic skills that were far worse than my grandparents' who had eighth grade educations. Some trade apprenticeships now require a vocational diploma before you can apply. Many college degrees have become more like a hazing ritual or proof that you belong to the right social class than an actual education. I agree with your post. Low wages are a bigger problem than the cost of tuition.
On Nextdoor here, a woman was so angry that her garbage can was used by someone else. It had her house number on it! But someone put their garbage into it, walking by. Having a dog, I'd thought long and hard about this, and I mistakenly got involved in this discussion, saying the garbage cans belong to the city-- which is true-- and so they belong to all of us, which is true. I got so annoyed with her, thinking I could see in her attitude the worst human traits, meanness as well as stupidity that caused all the worlds' problems!!!! Then I wisely quit that site without finding out the thing that caused me to join in the first place-- which I don't remember.
If you are NOT one late bill or small emergency away from becoming homeless, after paying a million dollars for a conveniently located shack, then there’s nothing at all wrong with your decision to not commute. Quality of life is important to everyone. If the benefits outweigh the risks, then it’s a wise decision. And, btw, not EVERYONE living in-town is a “snob”. Not everyone is in your situation, and just because you have clearly relevant reasons for living in-town, and potentially (I hope) you have financial stability, doesn’t mean all others do too.
The point I made is in regards to mortgage lenders (once again) creating housing bubbles that have and will pop, and the people who then become homeless. It’s not just greed on the part of banks. There’s a percentage of people who make extremely poor decisions even when they have ample opportunity not to. That is but one of the systemic issues that need addressing when considering how to reduce homelessness. We need to have adequate education on managing your own finances and assessing quality of life... want versus need.
Our culture of materialism, as well as the brainwashing of “trickledown” economy has resulted in a great many people living well beyond their means, leveraged out their ears, and voluntarily putting themselves at greater risk of quickly becoming homeless. I’m talking about people who don’t consider the many things you listed, which are all valid benefits, when they decide if they can afford them.
I’ve known too many people who waste their resources, and cluelessly assume they will never lose on their gambling. And they, like everyone else, are vulnerable to losing everything and then requiring assistance that might otherwise go to people who deserve it more... people who DIDN’T squander their resources with no consideration of the future, or of other people. People who lost everything through no fault of their own, or from being victims of a rigged financial system.
25:45 does it for me, thank you. In fact, just chuck the whole Bibble thing and leave this passage.
I have been enjoying Bach’s St. Matthew Passion (based on Matthew 26-27), which is one of the best pieces of Western classical music. It occupies two DVDs, and lasts almost three hours. Yes, it is long, but it is not tedious at all. It is performed by the Thomanerchor (the Leipzig choir led by Bach himself during his lifetime) which has operated continuously for 800 years. Let that sink in for a moment.
Since the lyrics are in German, the religiosity is not so overt. I just don’t buy the whole Jebus story, however. My apologies to Kapellmeister Bach.
By the way, I mistakenly purchased a BluRay disc that I can’t play with my functioning gear. Anyone know a home for a Bach BluRay disc?
On two separate occasions last week, I gave a few bucks to homeless men, and bought one of them a pair of gloves.
I would prefer a thousand times more that my taxes go up slightly -- probably less than the cash and gloves -- if it meant homeless people would be taken care of in a sane and humane way. Fuck the kindness of strangers.
The problem you're getting at comes from the very foundation of our current economic/financial model. We use debt at interest as money, to oversimplify only slightly. To do that, we have to have economic growth equal to or slightly above the going rate of interest. We unfortunately live on a finite planet. We're not going to find any more continents to plunder resources from, or people to enslave. Everybody who can afford to buy a refrigerator and has a place to plug it in has one.
So what's left? Cut the costs of doing business, to transfer that money to the Finance system. Cheapen the product but keep the price the same. And then, above and beyond all else, cut the cost of labor.
We're not going to be able to fix this until we fundamentally change our system. And seeing how fabulously wealthy our system has made a shrinking number of increasingly-powerful people, that change probably isn't going to happen until the system collapses.
The good news here is also the bad news. This system has been going on for far longer than I'd have thought possible, because America is astonishingly big, rich, and powerful. But it won't last forever. It simply can't, due to the basic mathematics required.
Let us not forget that a significant percentage of the homeless are schizophrenic patients who were dumped on to the streets without any possibility of follow up care or access to medications (due to those same NIMBY's blocking the building of mental care clinics) and in that catch-22 obviously can't fill out forms or apply for jobs.
hopefully this time the fucking Mormons won't fuck it up again!
It's a package. It all needs to get done at, more or less, the same time. Putting someone in housing then on the 6-12 month waitlist for rehab or mental health support is just setting them up to fail. It is more humane than letting them freeze on the street, but it is not attempting to tackle the root cause.A place to live is fundamental, but separating the housing from the other support services is setting people up to fail.It's the same reasons that public housing needs to not keep being pushed to the cheaper fringes of the city. The people using public housing need support services that are not on the fringes of the city, medical, mental, legal and financial. Putting the housing where it makes it harder to access services is just cruel and causes even more problems.Near to me is an estate that became a notorious violent ghetto due to the creation of public housing without appropriate services available. The individual places were nice enough made, 2 story independent townhouse type places, but too remote and too many, too close together.I agree, get people in housing, but we have to put in the effort to get them the help they need too.
sounds more like a mass transit issue, LA needs to wake the fuck up and invest in infrastructure that ignores what moronic "stars" like Vince Vaughn are comfortable with
I’m just astounded you produced all this personal information about you and your brother‘s lives to someone on the internet.
we're trying, it's tough here because the city of LA is over 500 sq miles (and that's only half the metro area, compared to manhattan which is 22 sq miles. also we have earthquakes, so it's hard to convince people to go underground, we don't even have basements here. we actually had a great public transport system about 100 years ago, but GM, Firestone, and Getty oil killed it.
Not long ago, employers spent more resources training their employees. So many jobs should not require college degrees. I have worked with too many college graduates who had writing and arithmetic skills that were far worse than my grandparents' who had eighth grade educations. Some trade apprenticeships now require a vocational diploma before you can apply. Many college degrees have become more like a hazing ritual or proof that you belong to the right social class than an actual education. I agree with your post. Low wages are a bigger problem than the cost of tuition.
Poverty among the people right beside us is never an emergency. But distant wars-- how come distant wars are?
On Nextdoor here, a woman was so angry that her garbage can was used by someone else. It had her house number on it! But someone put their garbage into it, walking by. Having a dog, I'd thought long and hard about this, and I mistakenly got involved in this discussion, saying the garbage cans belong to the city-- which is true-- and so they belong to all of us, which is true. I got so annoyed with her, thinking I could see in her attitude the worst human traits, meanness as well as stupidity that caused all the worlds' problems!!!! Then I wisely quit that site without finding out the thing that caused me to join in the first place-- which I don't remember.
that was the Red Train or something like that? in any case SF has BART so it's not impossible, just costs more then the rich want to pay
If you are NOT one late bill or small emergency away from becoming homeless, after paying a million dollars for a conveniently located shack, then there’s nothing at all wrong with your decision to not commute. Quality of life is important to everyone. If the benefits outweigh the risks, then it’s a wise decision. And, btw, not EVERYONE living in-town is a “snob”. Not everyone is in your situation, and just because you have clearly relevant reasons for living in-town, and potentially (I hope) you have financial stability, doesn’t mean all others do too.
The point I made is in regards to mortgage lenders (once again) creating housing bubbles that have and will pop, and the people who then become homeless. It’s not just greed on the part of banks. There’s a percentage of people who make extremely poor decisions even when they have ample opportunity not to. That is but one of the systemic issues that need addressing when considering how to reduce homelessness. We need to have adequate education on managing your own finances and assessing quality of life... want versus need.
Our culture of materialism, as well as the brainwashing of “trickledown” economy has resulted in a great many people living well beyond their means, leveraged out their ears, and voluntarily putting themselves at greater risk of quickly becoming homeless. I’m talking about people who don’t consider the many things you listed, which are all valid benefits, when they decide if they can afford them.
I’ve known too many people who waste their resources, and cluelessly assume they will never lose on their gambling. And they, like everyone else, are vulnerable to losing everything and then requiring assistance that might otherwise go to people who deserve it more... people who DIDN’T squander their resources with no consideration of the future, or of other people. People who lost everything through no fault of their own, or from being victims of a rigged financial system.
And because we don't mandate that people avail themselves of the available shelters or housing, there are beds available now that aren't being used.
25:45 does it for me, thank you. In fact, just chuck the whole Bibble thing and leave this passage.
I have been enjoying Bach’s St. Matthew Passion (based on Matthew 26-27), which is one of the best pieces of Western classical music. It occupies two DVDs, and lasts almost three hours. Yes, it is long, but it is not tedious at all. It is performed by the Thomanerchor (the Leipzig choir led by Bach himself during his lifetime) which has operated continuously for 800 years. Let that sink in for a moment.
Since the lyrics are in German, the religiosity is not so overt. I just don’t buy the whole Jebus story, however. My apologies to Kapellmeister Bach.
By the way, I mistakenly purchased a BluRay disc that I can’t play with my functioning gear. Anyone know a home for a Bach BluRay disc?
On two separate occasions last week, I gave a few bucks to homeless men, and bought one of them a pair of gloves.
I would prefer a thousand times more that my taxes go up slightly -- probably less than the cash and gloves -- if it meant homeless people would be taken care of in a sane and humane way. Fuck the kindness of strangers.
The problem you're getting at comes from the very foundation of our current economic/financial model. We use debt at interest as money, to oversimplify only slightly. To do that, we have to have economic growth equal to or slightly above the going rate of interest. We unfortunately live on a finite planet. We're not going to find any more continents to plunder resources from, or people to enslave. Everybody who can afford to buy a refrigerator and has a place to plug it in has one.
So what's left? Cut the costs of doing business, to transfer that money to the Finance system. Cheapen the product but keep the price the same. And then, above and beyond all else, cut the cost of labor.
We're not going to be able to fix this until we fundamentally change our system. And seeing how fabulously wealthy our system has made a shrinking number of increasingly-powerful people, that change probably isn't going to happen until the system collapses.
The good news here is also the bad news. This system has been going on for far longer than I'd have thought possible, because America is astonishingly big, rich, and powerful. But it won't last forever. It simply can't, due to the basic mathematics required.
Let us not forget that a significant percentage of the homeless are schizophrenic patients who were dumped on to the streets without any possibility of follow up care or access to medications (due to those same NIMBY's blocking the building of mental care clinics) and in that catch-22 obviously can't fill out forms or apply for jobs.
I've a scheduled monthly donation to a shelter.
... and likewise.