LOL @ lawyer boy... Congress doesn't make policy, they pass laws which the executive branch agencies codify as policy and enforce through rules. Go guzzle some light, sweet crude, I hear it tastes just like Pepsi Zero!
Can the suit name individuals also too? I have this hazy memory of a Secretary of State Rexxon (from the city of Mobil?). He can't have actually been real, as Drumpf only appointed the best. But still it's a nagging memory.
"One day you're running a multibillion dollar corporation, another day you're fired by a guy who used to sell steaks on QVC" [crushes glass in hand] -- John Goodman doing Rex Tillerson on SNL
yup, it's the hope in the darkness that drew me here as well. I awoke exhausted again & utterly angry/frustrated with most of humanity right now. So yeah, I'm here with all others holding fast to whatever hope we can find. May we find each other & offer what we can. Love you all.
Reason why industries hate CA govt? Cuz if you ever lived in Sacramento, you see just HOW much the employees CARE about their state. They are there cuz they actually want to help. Most in state positions (esp science peeps) could make bank in bay area for same job, but their eagerness to help is what keeps them there. I mean all of tomato town is invested in California. While in undergrad there worked for CalTrans & Food & Ag, so maybe I was just surrounded by awesome peeps, but then again, it was everywhere I looked (just take lunch on capitol grounds and you see it, just beware of the squirrels, they hunt humans for their lunches lol)
"Needless to say, groups like the California Chamber of Commerce are already crying about how the new law will be a terrible paperwork burden, but let ‘em: Climate accountability will be an increasingly important part of getting emissions under control worldwide."
The corporate disinformation campaign regarding climate change is in its last stages. It's rapidly losing effectiveness, even though enough nitwits (including many in power) still believe to be a problem.
If you want to look at a comparable (IMHO) corporate disinformation campaign that is in full flower right now, look no further than Big Food.
For decades now, America’s biggest food processors have been denying, deflecting and dissembling about their role in harming America’s health. They have labored mightily to keep people from making the connection between two simple facts: the proportion of their products, which flood the shelves and freezers of America’s supermarkets, that are outrageously, unsustainably high in fat, salt, sugar or carbs; and the rise in obesity and subsequent dietary-related health problems, including heart disease and diabetes.
Big Food has done this by using every trick, outlined by Dok in this post, employed by Big Oil:
—Funding disinformation campaigns? Check. See the “Center for Consumer Freedom,” organized by Richard Berman, the same shithead behind Big Oil’s climate lies.
—Deflecting? Check. Big Food relentlessly pushes the falsehood that bad dietary choices can be negated with enough exercise. One of the main ways this was done was by a “scientific agency” funded by Coca-Cola and other processors of sugar-rich products. This worked toward the broader goal of convincing people that obesity was entirely an individual responsibility.
—Greenwashing? Check. Call it “healthwashing.” This is done in various ways, including introducing token low-calorie or sugar-free products, or making “pledges” to, say, reduce sugar in four years – which, needless to say, never get fulfilled.
My point is that we really need to learn from experience. Let’s not let Big Food get away with doing what Big Oil has already done to us. I have ideas on what could be done, but I’ve rambled on a tangential topic long enough.
notice how everything has been "gluten-free" for years now, including water. I think this all really kicked into high gear when candy was packaged as cereal and sold as such.
There is an upside to the gluten-free thing, though.
Gluten-free is pretty much bullshit as long as you're NOT among the estimated 1% of the population with celiac disease. Its supposed health benefits are illusory. But because of the hype, the universe of gluten-free products has greatly expanded, in terms of both variety and quality. This is a blessing to the 1% with celiac disease, because they DO seriously need to avoid gluten; tiny amounts can lead to gastrointestinal agony.
A non-commenter whose husband has C.D. set me straight on this here a few years ago. I'm glad she did.
That's really an old trick. For years, you would see assurances that, say, a can of peas or something was "cholesterol-free." It's because almost all dietary cholesterol is found in animal products. The "[irrelevant nutrient]-free" claim is the converse of "fortified with [unnecessary nutrient]." That's often used in the candy-cereal you mentioned above; spray a little citric acid on the stuff and voila, it's "fortified with vitamin C."
Actually, though, full-fat versions of yogurt are available. I just avoid them. Most yogurt is low-fat or fat-free, because it's one of the rare foods that tastes nearly the same with or without the fat.
--"API Senior Vice President and General Council Ryan Meyers similarly grumbled that the lawsuit is “nothing more than a distraction from important national conversations and an enormous waste of California taxpayer resources,”"
I'm good with my taxes going toward calling those fossil fuel jerks on the carpet!
Drink their Milkshake!!!
LOL @ lawyer boy... Congress doesn't make policy, they pass laws which the executive branch agencies codify as policy and enforce through rules. Go guzzle some light, sweet crude, I hear it tastes just like Pepsi Zero!
waaah we have to actually disclose the harm we are doing instead of releasing ambiguous favourable data - waaaah. Cry harder
how much could it actually cost to hire a couple of underpaid flunkies to do that paperwork for you?
you want to create jobs? what are you, a commie?
:)
Can the suit name individuals also too? I have this hazy memory of a Secretary of State Rexxon (from the city of Mobil?). He can't have actually been real, as Drumpf only appointed the best. But still it's a nagging memory.
"One day you're running a multibillion dollar corporation, another day you're fired by a guy who used to sell steaks on QVC" [crushes glass in hand] -- John Goodman doing Rex Tillerson on SNL
Whatever we’re saving for Open Thread cannot be better than this Nice Times story
yup, it's the hope in the darkness that drew me here as well. I awoke exhausted again & utterly angry/frustrated with most of humanity right now. So yeah, I'm here with all others holding fast to whatever hope we can find. May we find each other & offer what we can. Love you all.
California is best.
Reason why industries hate CA govt? Cuz if you ever lived in Sacramento, you see just HOW much the employees CARE about their state. They are there cuz they actually want to help. Most in state positions (esp science peeps) could make bank in bay area for same job, but their eagerness to help is what keeps them there. I mean all of tomato town is invested in California. While in undergrad there worked for CalTrans & Food & Ag, so maybe I was just surrounded by awesome peeps, but then again, it was everywhere I looked (just take lunch on capitol grounds and you see it, just beware of the squirrels, they hunt humans for their lunches lol)
I had almost twenty years with CalTrans, where the rubber meets the road. Even at our level, we were a motley crew of dedicated civil serpents.
They FUCKED AROUND and now they will FIND OUT!
"Needless to say, groups like the California Chamber of Commerce are already crying about how the new law will be a terrible paperwork burden, but let ‘em: Climate accountability will be an increasingly important part of getting emissions under control worldwide."
go paperless then, assholes.
I expect Drumpf still has some sheafs of paper marked classified. Could help reduce their filing costs?
he's patriotic like that. wouldn't put it past him.
Hmm Big Paperwork Burden vs No Accountability
Hmm, Death by Paperwork it is, then.
This is tangential, but I can't help it:
The corporate disinformation campaign regarding climate change is in its last stages. It's rapidly losing effectiveness, even though enough nitwits (including many in power) still believe to be a problem.
If you want to look at a comparable (IMHO) corporate disinformation campaign that is in full flower right now, look no further than Big Food.
For decades now, America’s biggest food processors have been denying, deflecting and dissembling about their role in harming America’s health. They have labored mightily to keep people from making the connection between two simple facts: the proportion of their products, which flood the shelves and freezers of America’s supermarkets, that are outrageously, unsustainably high in fat, salt, sugar or carbs; and the rise in obesity and subsequent dietary-related health problems, including heart disease and diabetes.
Big Food has done this by using every trick, outlined by Dok in this post, employed by Big Oil:
—Funding disinformation campaigns? Check. See the “Center for Consumer Freedom,” organized by Richard Berman, the same shithead behind Big Oil’s climate lies.
—Deflecting? Check. Big Food relentlessly pushes the falsehood that bad dietary choices can be negated with enough exercise. One of the main ways this was done was by a “scientific agency” funded by Coca-Cola and other processors of sugar-rich products. This worked toward the broader goal of convincing people that obesity was entirely an individual responsibility.
—Greenwashing? Check. Call it “healthwashing.” This is done in various ways, including introducing token low-calorie or sugar-free products, or making “pledges” to, say, reduce sugar in four years – which, needless to say, never get fulfilled.
My point is that we really need to learn from experience. Let’s not let Big Food get away with doing what Big Oil has already done to us. I have ideas on what could be done, but I’ve rambled on a tangential topic long enough.
notice how everything has been "gluten-free" for years now, including water. I think this all really kicked into high gear when candy was packaged as cereal and sold as such.
There is an upside to the gluten-free thing, though.
Gluten-free is pretty much bullshit as long as you're NOT among the estimated 1% of the population with celiac disease. Its supposed health benefits are illusory. But because of the hype, the universe of gluten-free products has greatly expanded, in terms of both variety and quality. This is a blessing to the 1% with celiac disease, because they DO seriously need to avoid gluten; tiny amounts can lead to gastrointestinal agony.
A non-commenter whose husband has C.D. set me straight on this here a few years ago. I'm glad she did.
oh, without a doubt. I've had a school friend with celiac.
where I was going with this is that you know it's part of a propaganda campaign without a doubt when you find gluten-free water or gluten-free salt.
That's really an old trick. For years, you would see assurances that, say, a can of peas or something was "cholesterol-free." It's because almost all dietary cholesterol is found in animal products. The "[irrelevant nutrient]-free" claim is the converse of "fortified with [unnecessary nutrient]." That's often used in the candy-cereal you mentioned above; spray a little citric acid on the stuff and voila, it's "fortified with vitamin C."
yep. another favorite is "low-fat yogurt"
Actually, though, full-fat versions of yogurt are available. I just avoid them. Most yogurt is low-fat or fat-free, because it's one of the rare foods that tastes nearly the same with or without the fat.
“Climate policy is for Congress to debate and decide, not the court system.”
Oh, so not scientists, eh? Interesting.
Well, Letterkenny-to-be-fair, the role of the scientists is to provide accurate information, not to make policy. They sure can advocate, though.
gee, almost like when the tobacco industry was allowed for decades to continue with their lies when they knew better.
--"API Senior Vice President and General Council Ryan Meyers similarly grumbled that the lawsuit is “nothing more than a distraction from important national conversations and an enormous waste of California taxpayer resources,”"
I'm good with my taxes going toward calling those fossil fuel jerks on the carpet!
This reminds me of all the strategies used against the tobacco giants in the 80's and 90's. It took forever, but it fuckin' worked!
That’s what I was thinking too.
Seems like lying about the effects of your product is, I dunno, corporate fraud?
(guess we'll have to wait for the Ministry for the Future)
Screw you guys, I'm doing geoengineering!