The problem is that a doctor is putting their license and freedom at risk by offering standard medical care. Because a fundo-evangelical prosecutor whose only medical knowledge is when his kid had his tonsils taken out since he didn't want to be involved in that yucky childbirth situation. Just show me the kid after he's been cleaned up and my wife is back in her regular room.
The prosecutor can always find some other right wing physician from Big Hat Texas to confirm the ER doctor was lying and the woman was in no danger despite having complications requiring two weeks in the hospital and permanent heart damage from sepsis caused by being denied treatment three times in the previous week while the infection festered and finally entered her blood stream.
This is where the real problem with "life of the mother" lies -- there's always some right-wing prosecutor who wants to collect a scalp to display as proof of their commitment to the cause, who will prosecute a doctor who treats a woman who had a 0.0001% to live, because hey, she *might* have pulled through, how do you know? Are you God? Is that it, doctor, do you have a God complex?
This just enrages me. My wife died of non- pregnancy related sepsis, and from the time she thought she needed to see a doctor to the time she was dead was twelve hours. Thank God she at least was admitted instead of being sent home or to the hospital's parking lot/bleedout zone.
My sincere condolences. My mom (at 89) died of an abdominal aneurysm in minutes. Too darn many Hallmark movies have made the ignorant think that there's always time to convene the entire family and a host of doctors to deal with every illness. We have EMTs and emergency rooms and triage for a reason: some things that happen to us happen suddenly and need immediate decisions and immediate action. What the people supporting the Idaho policy are saying seems to be "too bad." That is most assuredly a cruel position and it is most assuredly not what the Act of Congress was intended to have happen. This is another in a series of cases before the Supreme Court where any interpretation other than "I'm here to stop abortion, I have no other purpose" would lead to an immediate decision in favor of, dare I say it, LIFE.
Alito actually just made the argument that each pregnancy is unique and complex, and a doctor couldn't possibly make a snap judgement. He seemed to think this supports an extreme ban.
I actually had a discussion with a friend who said "people shouldn't be able to get abortions in the 9th month." I explained that abortions in the 9th month are due to serious complications with likely risk of death of child or mother or both. It's not like people are going around aborting a 9 mo healthy fetus "because".
Names have been picked, nurseries decorated, and baby showers thrown; by all means, let's get the government involved when the worst possible news is learned.
Well, old religious men who are celibate and/or child molesters have always been the go-to authorities on healthy sexuality and female reproductive processes.
IF the states can write laws which do not have to comply with Medicare or Medicaid
THEN states can allow racially segregated medical care.
Do you remember how schools were desegregated? You know hospitals were segregated. How were they desegregated? It was not in practice the Civil Rights Act. It was Medicare and Medicaid, which said if you want the $$$ you end the segregation.
These days those R states would just forgo Medicare and Medicaid and call it "freedom from government overreach" (like they did with the ACA). Why should they care? Only poor people depend on those things- the people that matter have private insurance! Ditto here- POOR WOMEN will die, wealthy ones will have other options besides an ER in their fascist state.
There was a brilliant episode of Call the Midwife (my favorite TV show) a few years back. This took place in the late 1960s. Nurse Trixie was sent to observe at a private hospital in a fancy part of London because it had offered to sponsor the midwives who practiced amongst the poorest of the poor. She scrubbed in for a procedure. The doctor dryly and matter-of-factly announced that the "products of conception" had been extracted and disposed of. Horrified, Nurse Trixie couldn't get out of there fast enough. Not because she had any moral qualms about abortion. But because she had treated far too many women who had procured unsafe abortions and who subsequently died. The double standard of care was unconscionable, and she said as much. That's where we're going, folks. In a goddamn handbasket.
Seriously, why can't a state write a law discriminating against POC, women, LGBTQ, non-citizens, etc. saying that they cannot access life-saving healthcare? Would EMTALA only apply if they were already almost dead? Or could it be ignored entirely? Because somehow the state's laws supersede the Medicare/Medicaid requirements? How about they outlaw bullet wounds/treating bullet wounds and then refuse to take measures to save a person with a bullet wound who is bleeding out?
I feel so sorry for the vast majority of doctors in states like Idaho who put their professional obligations above all else in order to help people stay ALIVE in the face of this nonsense. Watch for a further exodus of medical professionals from those places and the spiraling nightmare of lack of medical care that results.
It's painfully obvious but I'll say it anyway: This horrific situation is what backers of the oh-so-reasonable "15-week abortion limit" on the federal level want to impose ON THE WHOLE, ENTIRE FUCKING NATION.
Sadly, some of us women are just as nasty, and racist as their white nationalist, republican, trump-humping husbands. But that is the irony, the poorer ones of them will die with these laws, too!
Don't forget that Idaho also stopped monitoring their maternal/infant mortality rate a year or two ago and only re-upped the review committee at the beginning of this year.
Yes, that's an old republican trick, that, and change reporting the numbers to a private institution, that answers to them, instead of the CDC which deathSantis did during the height of the pandemic to keep his numbers down.
The female lawmakers who are helping to impose these burdens on the women of their state are simply the vilest of humans. The worst ones are those that don't really believe it, would take their daughter to Washington in 5 minutes if she needed an abortion, but who vote to burden others because it helps them get elected in this anal fissure of a state. A pox on them all.
Nancy Mace? Would that be Nancy Mace, the South Carolina Republican Congresswoman who has experienced a 100% turnover of her office staff since taking office in January 2021?
Didn't read down to see if anyone linked to it, but Charlie Pierce's take on this is also worth your time:
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a60594865/supreme-court-emtala-abortions/
The problem is that a doctor is putting their license and freedom at risk by offering standard medical care. Because a fundo-evangelical prosecutor whose only medical knowledge is when his kid had his tonsils taken out since he didn't want to be involved in that yucky childbirth situation. Just show me the kid after he's been cleaned up and my wife is back in her regular room.
The prosecutor can always find some other right wing physician from Big Hat Texas to confirm the ER doctor was lying and the woman was in no danger despite having complications requiring two weeks in the hospital and permanent heart damage from sepsis caused by being denied treatment three times in the previous week while the infection festered and finally entered her blood stream.
This is where the real problem with "life of the mother" lies -- there's always some right-wing prosecutor who wants to collect a scalp to display as proof of their commitment to the cause, who will prosecute a doctor who treats a woman who had a 0.0001% to live, because hey, she *might* have pulled through, how do you know? Are you God? Is that it, doctor, do you have a God complex?
This just enrages me. My wife died of non- pregnancy related sepsis, and from the time she thought she needed to see a doctor to the time she was dead was twelve hours. Thank God she at least was admitted instead of being sent home or to the hospital's parking lot/bleedout zone.
My sincere condolences. My mom (at 89) died of an abdominal aneurysm in minutes. Too darn many Hallmark movies have made the ignorant think that there's always time to convene the entire family and a host of doctors to deal with every illness. We have EMTs and emergency rooms and triage for a reason: some things that happen to us happen suddenly and need immediate decisions and immediate action. What the people supporting the Idaho policy are saying seems to be "too bad." That is most assuredly a cruel position and it is most assuredly not what the Act of Congress was intended to have happen. This is another in a series of cases before the Supreme Court where any interpretation other than "I'm here to stop abortion, I have no other purpose" would lead to an immediate decision in favor of, dare I say it, LIFE.
I won’t like this because it’s awful but condolences to you. That’s so awful. Sorry for your loss.
That’s awful. I’m so sorry.
Indeed.
"without receiving an abortion, the patient could have needed a limb amputation."
POS GOP men will of course opt for the amputation for every woman every fucking time
Don't forget, women only need one hand.
The problem, of course, is that a second one is incredibly useful when the first one is being monopolized by a baby. Ask me how I know.
This is because Idaho has written into their law the Goldfinger Paradigm: "𝘐 𝘥𝘰𝘯'𝘵 𝘦𝘹𝘱𝘦𝘤𝘵 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘢𝘭𝘬, 𝘔𝘳. 𝘉𝘰𝘯𝘥...𝘐 𝘦𝘹𝘱𝘦𝘤𝘵 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘵𝘰 𝘥𝘪𝘦!"
This is the literal truth of these fucking gundamentalists running these backwards states.
Gundam libel?
Freudian typo...
I hate this reality 😢
Meanwhile in Arizona:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/24/arizona-abortion-ban/
Meanwhile in Texas:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/texan-suing-abortion-promised-drop-lawsuit-sex-1234839569/
Alito actually just made the argument that each pregnancy is unique and complex, and a doctor couldn't possibly make a snap judgement. He seemed to think this supports an extreme ban.
FFS! That is what they go throught nearly a decade of training to become an expert, for! Alito is delusional and ignorant.
I actually had a discussion with a friend who said "people shouldn't be able to get abortions in the 9th month." I explained that abortions in the 9th month are due to serious complications with likely risk of death of child or mother or both. It's not like people are going around aborting a 9 mo healthy fetus "because".
Names have been picked, nurseries decorated, and baby showers thrown; by all means, let's get the government involved when the worst possible news is learned.
They're from the government, and they're here to help.
Exactly.
Because after all, who is more competent at making lifesaving healthcare decisions than old white males with no medical training whatsoever?
We shouldn't paint with such a broad brush. One of them is a young white female who has to ask her husband's permission for everything she does.
Well, old religious men who are celibate and/or child molesters have always been the go-to authorities on healthy sexuality and female reproductive processes.
When are we gong to bring legal questions about voting to an AMA panel?
IF the states can write laws which do not have to comply with Medicare or Medicaid
THEN states can allow racially segregated medical care.
Do you remember how schools were desegregated? You know hospitals were segregated. How were they desegregated? It was not in practice the Civil Rights Act. It was Medicare and Medicaid, which said if you want the $$$ you end the segregation.
I do. I was there. In Florida elementary school, when it happened.
These days those R states would just forgo Medicare and Medicaid and call it "freedom from government overreach" (like they did with the ACA). Why should they care? Only poor people depend on those things- the people that matter have private insurance! Ditto here- POOR WOMEN will die, wealthy ones will have other options besides an ER in their fascist state.
There was a brilliant episode of Call the Midwife (my favorite TV show) a few years back. This took place in the late 1960s. Nurse Trixie was sent to observe at a private hospital in a fancy part of London because it had offered to sponsor the midwives who practiced amongst the poorest of the poor. She scrubbed in for a procedure. The doctor dryly and matter-of-factly announced that the "products of conception" had been extracted and disposed of. Horrified, Nurse Trixie couldn't get out of there fast enough. Not because she had any moral qualms about abortion. But because she had treated far too many women who had procured unsafe abortions and who subsequently died. The double standard of care was unconscionable, and she said as much. That's where we're going, folks. In a goddamn handbasket.
Seriously, why can't a state write a law discriminating against POC, women, LGBTQ, non-citizens, etc. saying that they cannot access life-saving healthcare? Would EMTALA only apply if they were already almost dead? Or could it be ignored entirely? Because somehow the state's laws supersede the Medicare/Medicaid requirements? How about they outlaw bullet wounds/treating bullet wounds and then refuse to take measures to save a person with a bullet wound who is bleeding out?
I feel so sorry for the vast majority of doctors in states like Idaho who put their professional obligations above all else in order to help people stay ALIVE in the face of this nonsense. Watch for a further exodus of medical professionals from those places and the spiraling nightmare of lack of medical care that results.
This is all so ridiculously horrible and stupid.
It's not stupid.
It's evil.
Stupid I could almost excuse. But not this.
🎯🎯🎯
It's painfully obvious but I'll say it anyway: This horrific situation is what backers of the oh-so-reasonable "15-week abortion limit" on the federal level want to impose ON THE WHOLE, ENTIRE FUCKING NATION.
Bingo, it is calculated cruelty.
Fewer women = fewer D votes
Sadly, some of us women are just as nasty, and racist as their white nationalist, republican, trump-humping husbands. But that is the irony, the poorer ones of them will die with these laws, too!
Yes, that is true. But in my experience as a male, I have found that girls and woman have ALWAYS been better and nicer people.
Don't forget that Idaho also stopped monitoring their maternal/infant mortality rate a year or two ago and only re-upped the review committee at the beginning of this year.
Yes, that's an old republican trick, that, and change reporting the numbers to a private institution, that answers to them, instead of the CDC which deathSantis did during the height of the pandemic to keep his numbers down.
The female lawmakers who are helping to impose these burdens on the women of their state are simply the vilest of humans. The worst ones are those that don't really believe it, would take their daughter to Washington in 5 minutes if she needed an abortion, but who vote to burden others because it helps them get elected in this anal fissure of a state. A pox on them all.
Elise what's her name and Nancy Mace come to mind.
Elise Stefanik, easily the worst legislator in New York state
Nancy Mace? Would that be Nancy Mace, the South Carolina Republican Congresswoman who has experienced a 100% turnover of her office staff since taking office in January 2021?
Rumor has it that Roberts and Boney-Carrot are not impressed with the Idaho State's presentation...
Who cares? We need to know what Boney-Carrot's husband thinks of their presentation.
I think she's a vote against Idaho...so not filth today, maybe?/
I hope to fuck so...I think Amy Phoney Parrot was a little stunned that they admitted women would die under their law.