so full of measles The Canadian province of Ontario is about to pass a bill that would require parents who don't want to vaccinate their kids for religious or "moral" reasons to take a class in which some nice medical professional patiently explains to them that vaccines do not cause autism, why herd immunity is important, and the fact that measles, mumps and rubella are not
In seems to me, once upon a time and way back when, you really couldn't send your kid to school without proof of immunization. At least, they made a huge deal about it when I started school. (Of course, when I started school, kids were still being paralyzed by polio and you got the fucking shot or else.) Anyway, I can tell you for sure that when our daughter transferred to Drexel, she had to get the boosters and show proof, or she absolutely wasn't starting classes there. Oh, the tyranny!
Agree. With California's removal of the personal belief exemption, we are now up to three states that don't have such an easily abused loophole. Can you feel the progress, ladies and gentlemen!
I'd like to see a bill passed that does not allow anyone not vaccinated to participate in society. Immunization records would have to be produced anywhere large groups of children can be found: Schools, parks, recreation centers, amusement parks, Chuck E. Cheese, the works. These parents have every right not to vaccinate their children, but they have to understand that their decision has consequences, and they have to accept those consequences.
Your question is answered by reminding you of your own concern that a tiny fraction of our populace does have adverse reactions to vaccine.
Parents whose kids are immunized do not fear the consequences brought about by immunity -free kids...but the parents of children who ARE allergic to vaccines should be concerned. Vaccine-free children bring disease into the classroom...disease which the children who should not receive vaccine are vulnerable to. Those children who cannot be inoculated receive a benefit from what is called HERD IMMUNITY. You may look it up.
I do not advocate that children who should avoid vaccine endure an agonizing death. I advocate that those children receive the benefits of herd immunity. Herd Immunity requires a vaccination rate above 93%. But the opposition to vaccination has dropped immunization rates to new lows in the past 15 years. The State of Mississippi actually reached a nationwide low of 50% because people believed conspiracy theories instead of science. Google the words Mississippi, Vaccine exemption and Herd Immunity. That story is instructive.
Now I will address your existential angst regarding the human "pestilence" which you, immoderately, called for the elimination of.
I submit the Pieta of Michelangelo as Exhibit AI submit the Divine Comedy of Dante as Exhibit BI submit every folk song ever as Exhibit CI submit Beethoven's 3rd, 5th and 9th Symphonies as Exhibit DI submit a student who has mastered long division as Exhibit EI submit a child named Donna Rose as Exhibit F.I submit The Stand Of The 300 Spartans at The Hot Gates as Exhibit GI submit my own nephews and nieces as exhibit H
No matter how many monstrosities and atrocities humanity has befouled this planet with there is still something to save, something beautiful and something precious. So if you must, excuse yourself from the struggle to save these things. I acknowledge that I am a fool to choose love, beauty and thought over despair. But I would rather die in that struggle than submit.
And THAT is why I answer you in detail and without rancor.
I know right. I had a family friend on Facebook take me to task because I stated the opinion that the only valid reason to not vaccinate your children is due to medical necessity. Apparently she didn't realize that medical necessity included people who have allergic reactions to vaccines because she immediately brought that up. She also just as quickly dropped it when I told her that I was including that particular medical necessity under the umbrella term medical necessity. She, of course, tried to overstate the number of people who are actually allergic to vaccines or their components but once again backed down when I provided statistics and links to reputable medical groups to back those up. We don't really talk that much anymore. I know she doesn't like that I do not believe religion is a valid reason to avoid vaccines.
They have no test that determines sensitivity to vaccines. You find out you are allergic to a certain vaccine after the shot and after harm has been caused. Perhaps you are speaking of children who are immune compromised due to cancer or other diseases and have a medical exemption for vaccines. I presume babies too young for vaccines are not in the classroom? I believe England has an even lower rate of vaccine adherence than the USA. (My sibling lives there). I haven't noticed quite the level of hysteria we have here. Just a thought. 😷 As I said, my family always vaccinated despite horrible experiences. We do believe in science. My issue is with people acting like no one is harmed by vaccines.
As for your defense of homo sapien. I was raised by artists and scientists, readers of literature and lovers of music. My own profession is in the arts. I am aware of the human capacity for beauty but the human capacity for destruction and hatred and war and death has always been far greater. Our species lives like gods but takes no responsibility for godlike actions and decisions. (I am reminded of the joke : Toscanini was visited in his dressing room after a concert, a fan said "You conducted like a god" Toscanini " Yes! And think of the responsibility!"). All the beauty that humans create is all based on the natural world. On the way minerals form crystals, on the songs of birds, the beat of a heart, the harmony of geometry. Do we really create or are we just artful plagiarizers? I simply see no great good in the continuation of our nasty, brutish species.
The bad experiences of a tiny percentage cannot be used to invalidate the need to vaccinate the vast majority.
As to your poor opinion of our nasty, brutish species you will find affirmation at World Net Daily, the NRA or The League of Nihilists. I cannot agree with it.
A friend's child got chicken pox, and if anybody thought that getting it was better than the vaccination, I would have grabbed them by the ear and let them look at a kid who was covered head to toe, including in her mouth, nose, and privates, with it and SUFFERING, to get some sense in their head.
And smacked them alongside the head, if necessary. Chicken pox is scarily easy to get, btw.
And again, little Miss Sunshine, you bring a real downer to the conversation which is not helpful, useful, or instructive.
Look, if you want to be like this, how about leaving Wonkette and standing on a corner somewhere with a sign that reads, "The world is coming to an end!!!!11!!!!!"
I'm vaccined up the wazoo personally. So that comment doesn't fly. I object to the notion that we ignore those who are harmed for the greater good. If there had been acknowledgment from the beginning that a tiny percentage were badly harmed but don't worry you will be acknowledged and helped this stupid controversy would never have happened. Then maybe they would think of a way to determine by a simple blood test those who will be adversely affected. It just seems so simple to me.
In seems to me, once upon a time and way back when, you really couldn't send your kid to school without proof of immunization. At least, they made a huge deal about it when I started school. (Of course, when I started school, kids were still being paralyzed by polio and you got the fucking shot or else.) Anyway, I can tell you for sure that when our daughter transferred to Drexel, she had to get the boosters and show proof, or she absolutely wasn't starting classes there. Oh, the tyranny!
Agree. With California's removal of the personal belief exemption, we are now up to three states that don't have such an easily abused loophole. Can you feel the progress, ladies and gentlemen!
I'd like to see a bill passed that does not allow anyone not vaccinated to participate in society. Immunization records would have to be produced anywhere large groups of children can be found: Schools, parks, recreation centers, amusement parks, Chuck E. Cheese, the works. These parents have every right not to vaccinate their children, but they have to understand that their decision has consequences, and they have to accept those consequences.
And their arguments sound exactly like climate change deniers.
Your question is answered by reminding you of your own concern that a tiny fraction of our populace does have adverse reactions to vaccine.
Parents whose kids are immunized do not fear the consequences brought about by immunity -free kids...but the parents of children who ARE allergic to vaccines should be concerned. Vaccine-free children bring disease into the classroom...disease which the children who should not receive vaccine are vulnerable to. Those children who cannot be inoculated receive a benefit from what is called HERD IMMUNITY. You may look it up.
I do not advocate that children who should avoid vaccine endure an agonizing death. I advocate that those children receive the benefits of herd immunity. Herd Immunity requires a vaccination rate above 93%. But the opposition to vaccination has dropped immunization rates to new lows in the past 15 years. The State of Mississippi actually reached a nationwide low of 50% because people believed conspiracy theories instead of science. Google the words Mississippi, Vaccine exemption and Herd Immunity. That story is instructive.
Now I will address your existential angst regarding the human "pestilence" which you, immoderately, called for the elimination of.
I submit the Pieta of Michelangelo as Exhibit AI submit the Divine Comedy of Dante as Exhibit BI submit every folk song ever as Exhibit CI submit Beethoven's 3rd, 5th and 9th Symphonies as Exhibit DI submit a student who has mastered long division as Exhibit EI submit a child named Donna Rose as Exhibit F.I submit The Stand Of The 300 Spartans at The Hot Gates as Exhibit GI submit my own nephews and nieces as exhibit H
No matter how many monstrosities and atrocities humanity has befouled this planet with there is still something to save, something beautiful and something precious. So if you must, excuse yourself from the struggle to save these things. I acknowledge that I am a fool to choose love, beauty and thought over despair. But I would rather die in that struggle than submit.
And THAT is why I answer you in detail and without rancor.
I know right. I had a family friend on Facebook take me to task because I stated the opinion that the only valid reason to not vaccinate your children is due to medical necessity. Apparently she didn't realize that medical necessity included people who have allergic reactions to vaccines because she immediately brought that up. She also just as quickly dropped it when I told her that I was including that particular medical necessity under the umbrella term medical necessity. She, of course, tried to overstate the number of people who are actually allergic to vaccines or their components but once again backed down when I provided statistics and links to reputable medical groups to back those up. We don't really talk that much anymore. I know she doesn't like that I do not believe religion is a valid reason to avoid vaccines.
They have no test that determines sensitivity to vaccines. You find out you are allergic to a certain vaccine after the shot and after harm has been caused. Perhaps you are speaking of children who are immune compromised due to cancer or other diseases and have a medical exemption for vaccines. I presume babies too young for vaccines are not in the classroom? I believe England has an even lower rate of vaccine adherence than the USA. (My sibling lives there). I haven't noticed quite the level of hysteria we have here. Just a thought. 😷 As I said, my family always vaccinated despite horrible experiences. We do believe in science. My issue is with people acting like no one is harmed by vaccines.
As for your defense of homo sapien. I was raised by artists and scientists, readers of literature and lovers of music. My own profession is in the arts. I am aware of the human capacity for beauty but the human capacity for destruction and hatred and war and death has always been far greater. Our species lives like gods but takes no responsibility for godlike actions and decisions. (I am reminded of the joke : Toscanini was visited in his dressing room after a concert, a fan said "You conducted like a god" Toscanini " Yes! And think of the responsibility!"). All the beauty that humans create is all based on the natural world. On the way minerals form crystals, on the songs of birds, the beat of a heart, the harmony of geometry. Do we really create or are we just artful plagiarizers? I simply see no great good in the continuation of our nasty, brutish species.
The bad experiences of a tiny percentage cannot be used to invalidate the need to vaccinate the vast majority.
As to your poor opinion of our nasty, brutish species you will find affirmation at World Net Daily, the NRA or The League of Nihilists. I cannot agree with it.
Have a nice life.
WTFF??!!??!!1!?
A friend's child got chicken pox, and if anybody thought that getting it was better than the vaccination, I would have grabbed them by the ear and let them look at a kid who was covered head to toe, including in her mouth, nose, and privates, with it and SUFFERING, to get some sense in their head.
And smacked them alongside the head, if necessary. Chicken pox is scarily easy to get, btw.
Damn, that's hard for your family. To live in fear (and rightly so) of a vaccination or risk getting tetanus....
Wow, you're a real ray of sunshine.
I'm very, very glad I don't think like you.
And again, little Miss Sunshine, you bring a real downer to the conversation which is not helpful, useful, or instructive.
Look, if you want to be like this, how about leaving Wonkette and standing on a corner somewhere with a sign that reads, "The world is coming to an end!!!!11!!!!!"
Thnx.
You know, for someone who supposedly is totes okay with vaccination, you sure sound..... I dunno, anti-vaxxer.
I'm vaccined up the wazoo personally. So that comment doesn't fly. I object to the notion that we ignore those who are harmed for the greater good. If there had been acknowledgment from the beginning that a tiny percentage were badly harmed but don't worry you will be acknowledged and helped this stupid controversy would never have happened. Then maybe they would think of a way to determine by a simple blood test those who will be adversely affected. It just seems so simple to me.
Oh honey, I'm not on Wonkette for your personal amusement nor to uplift your soul. Comments aren't allowed here, doncha know?