Its weird that with all the more nuanced and subtle concepts that also help define racism, Wallace gets stuck on this one. History has told us that there were lots of racist assholes in every war there ever was. Because people are war mongering racists. That he finds it odd that these very racists, the killers and murders and rapists and the non-Black hiring employers, also killed nazies, is even odder. These two things can co-exist in our space/time.
I cannot agree with you that Americans in Vietnam "were just as brutal and cruel" as the Japanese in China. That's not to excuse what we did there. But facts are facts. Then there's the Bataan Death March, treatment of POW's - including forced labor - etc., etc.
Yes, Hitler made a huge mistake opening a second front by invading his ally. We, and or allies, certainly helped the Soviet Union continue to fight with massive shipments of war material.
It's quite a stretch to consider First Americans to be East Asian. It is true that our war against them was, by far, America's longest. Those who state that Afghanistan was our longest ignore history. The "Indian Wars" continued after Wounded Knee. Sadly.
I can't agree that that war was to drive the First Nation back to Asia. Ultimately it was a war of extinction, because forced assimilation wasn't working. It is a terrible time in our history, a genocide equivalent to our national sin of slavery.
There is a contrarian I'm regularly engaging with, on another blog, who couldn't believe that we consider the white supremacists a real threat in Europe, because all these European countries were on the receiving end of Nazi brutality, so he doesn't see them embracing a fascism ideology.
Well, reality is a bit different. For one thing, we had collaborateurs - local, non-German, Nazi followers. We still have them. In my country, between Zemmour and Le Pen, we may have about 30% of people who don't feel anything wrong about supporting racist brownshirts. We will see the exact number tomorrow Sunday.Let's not mention Poland or Hungary. Russian trolls would point at Ukraine.
Wallace is mired in false definitions (and also, in Manichean thinking - if the others are the baddies, then we are the good ones - well, no, as Terry Pratchett/Vetinari said, we are all baddies, simply we are not on the same side)
You can believe that Hitler was an horrible man bent on invading and subjugating all of Europe - of white-skinned Europe - and that he needed to be put down.You can simultaneously believe that the proper place of high-melanin-skinned people is under your boots.There is no contradiction. Just big blinders giving people tunnel vision. I believe there is some motto about the straw in your opponent's eye and the beam in your own.
It was not just the US. Almost right after WW2, from around 1954 to 1962, our French armies were deployed in our oversea colonies to ensure that our non-white-skinned citizens stayed in their proper place.Right after promising our WW2 colonial conscripts that by their service to my country, they will ensure we stop treating them as second-class citizens.Empty promises.
The reason they can hate the fascists of the 30' and 40's but be okay with the brownshirts now is that the newer ones are "their" brownshrts. It's not what they did but who is on the receiving end.
Did you even read what Hannah-Jones said?Wallace essentially asserted that none of the Greatest Generation could have acted in a racist manner because they fought the Nazis. Hannah-Jones said that some of them still were racists. Essentially your own point that some were bad most were good.She didn't say that everyone in the Greatest Generation as a whole were racist or that their racism outweighed fighting the Nazis!Just because the good significantly exceeds the bad doesn't mean that the bad never happened! Furthermore, it doesn't mean that the bad conduct cannot be discussed. Given the amount of adulation heaped on them, 99%+ of the discussion about the Greatest Generation focuses on their beneficial conduct.
I've read around a dozen of the original Chronicles, some of them in the original archaic Spanish. 'Naufraugio' is Cabeza de Vaca's account of his journey. An awful lot of BS and self-glorification, but quite a bit of good material as well. Some of the idioms are utterly incomprehensible in the original language, which I suppose would be the case for almost anything from that time period (for example some of 'Le Morte de Artur' or Shakespeare).
Many large plantations made more money breeding humans than any agricultural product. They had saturated the market for their "product", and Europe and Latin America (except Brasil) had outlawed slavery, if they were not allowed to export slaves to the western territories their economy would have collapsed within the next decade. Interestingly Karl Marx had examined the situation and predicted both the Civil War and the inevitability of the South losing in the British press, prompting British landowners to start planting cotton in Egypt and India to buffer the European textile industry from the upcoming war. (There are claims that he and President Lincoln corresponded, but if they did nothing survives.) The South never recovered after the war since there was now viable competition for cotton on the world market, and slaves of course were no longer a "product".
The soldiers that worked and fought alongside each other in WW II, black, white, Indian, brown and yellow were the ones that triggered the elimination of Racism in this country. They learned a lot a lot in that war.
Its weird that with all the more nuanced and subtle concepts that also help define racism, Wallace gets stuck on this one. History has told us that there were lots of racist assholes in every war there ever was. Because people are war mongering racists. That he finds it odd that these very racists, the killers and murders and rapists and the non-Black hiring employers, also killed nazies, is even odder. These two things can co-exist in our space/time.
I cannot agree with you that Americans in Vietnam "were just as brutal and cruel" as the Japanese in China. That's not to excuse what we did there. But facts are facts. Then there's the Bataan Death March, treatment of POW's - including forced labor - etc., etc.
Yes, Hitler made a huge mistake opening a second front by invading his ally. We, and or allies, certainly helped the Soviet Union continue to fight with massive shipments of war material.
It's quite a stretch to consider First Americans to be East Asian. It is true that our war against them was, by far, America's longest. Those who state that Afghanistan was our longest ignore history. The "Indian Wars" continued after Wounded Knee. Sadly.
I can't agree that that war was to drive the First Nation back to Asia. Ultimately it was a war of extinction, because forced assimilation wasn't working. It is a terrible time in our history, a genocide equivalent to our national sin of slavery.
There is a contrarian I'm regularly engaging with, on another blog, who couldn't believe that we consider the white supremacists a real threat in Europe, because all these European countries were on the receiving end of Nazi brutality, so he doesn't see them embracing a fascism ideology.
Well, reality is a bit different. For one thing, we had collaborateurs - local, non-German, Nazi followers. We still have them. In my country, between Zemmour and Le Pen, we may have about 30% of people who don't feel anything wrong about supporting racist brownshirts. We will see the exact number tomorrow Sunday.Let's not mention Poland or Hungary. Russian trolls would point at Ukraine.
Wallace is mired in false definitions (and also, in Manichean thinking - if the others are the baddies, then we are the good ones - well, no, as Terry Pratchett/Vetinari said, we are all baddies, simply we are not on the same side)
You can believe that Hitler was an horrible man bent on invading and subjugating all of Europe - of white-skinned Europe - and that he needed to be put down.You can simultaneously believe that the proper place of high-melanin-skinned people is under your boots.There is no contradiction. Just big blinders giving people tunnel vision. I believe there is some motto about the straw in your opponent's eye and the beam in your own.
It was not just the US. Almost right after WW2, from around 1954 to 1962, our French armies were deployed in our oversea colonies to ensure that our non-white-skinned citizens stayed in their proper place.Right after promising our WW2 colonial conscripts that by their service to my country, they will ensure we stop treating them as second-class citizens.Empty promises.
Why did he leave Fox? He still seems to have his Whitey-tinted glasses on
The reason they can hate the fascists of the 30' and 40's but be okay with the brownshirts now is that the newer ones are "their" brownshrts. It's not what they did but who is on the receiving end.
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Did you even read what Hannah-Jones said?Wallace essentially asserted that none of the Greatest Generation could have acted in a racist manner because they fought the Nazis. Hannah-Jones said that some of them still were racists. Essentially your own point that some were bad most were good.She didn't say that everyone in the Greatest Generation as a whole were racist or that their racism outweighed fighting the Nazis!Just because the good significantly exceeds the bad doesn't mean that the bad never happened! Furthermore, it doesn't mean that the bad conduct cannot be discussed. Given the amount of adulation heaped on them, 99%+ of the discussion about the Greatest Generation focuses on their beneficial conduct.
But, durr durr, Wokeness! Cancel Culture!
I know someone whose ancestor was a Hessian soldier and after returning home after the Revolutionary War, moved to the U.S.
Like he-man John Wayne!
Surprising that the Hapsburgs didn't participate in that cousin inbreeding program, although they did have one going with the Bavarian royal family.
Is there any royals that are not German?
I've read around a dozen of the original Chronicles, some of them in the original archaic Spanish. 'Naufraugio' is Cabeza de Vaca's account of his journey. An awful lot of BS and self-glorification, but quite a bit of good material as well. Some of the idioms are utterly incomprehensible in the original language, which I suppose would be the case for almost anything from that time period (for example some of 'Le Morte de Artur' or Shakespeare).
Ta, Dok.
Many large plantations made more money breeding humans than any agricultural product. They had saturated the market for their "product", and Europe and Latin America (except Brasil) had outlawed slavery, if they were not allowed to export slaves to the western territories their economy would have collapsed within the next decade. Interestingly Karl Marx had examined the situation and predicted both the Civil War and the inevitability of the South losing in the British press, prompting British landowners to start planting cotton in Egypt and India to buffer the European textile industry from the upcoming war. (There are claims that he and President Lincoln corresponded, but if they did nothing survives.) The South never recovered after the war since there was now viable competition for cotton on the world market, and slaves of course were no longer a "product".
The soldiers that worked and fought alongside each other in WW II, black, white, Indian, brown and yellow were the ones that triggered the elimination of Racism in this country. They learned a lot a lot in that war.
it is of course a logical contradiction, one that has always been central to America. Let us hope that it is slowly, slowly dying.