The Fed is independent from politics, hence why the US economy has been the biggest for so many years. How could any politician improve on such a strong economy, in spite of a pandemic and war? Nor ignore the contribution from our history of immigration that other aging countries with shrinking economies don’t have? Perhaps I am being a simpleton, if so, please elucidate.
I want to ask about the interest rates, even though I know this article is about the absurdity of mass deportations.
How much control does a president, ANY president, have over the economy and the interest rates?
I have a friend who is positive that Trump will lower the interest rates, and I don't think it's as simple as getting your preferred candidate into the White House.
The Fed, which sets interest rates, is politically neutral. But, the president appoints the chair of the Fed and two vice chairs (with Senate approval), so in theory, Trump could appoint a toady who would lower the rates at his request. It is widely expected the Fed is going to start lowering interest rates this month. In fact, average mortgage rates are already falling because everyone is so sure rate cuts are coming. Assuming nothing unexpected happens to the gently falling inflation rates, the Fed may even cut rates one or two more times this year. So if, heaven forfend, Trump wins in November, your friend could be delighted when they're "proven right."
"See? Trump's not even back in the White House, all it took was for him to win the election and rates started falling!"
He could shoot as many Fed personnel as needed to convince them to lower interest rates. After all, that would be an official act for which he would be immune.
Mass deportations, my Aunt Tillie! I know who to deport and we can start with 147 MAGA members of Congress. Stephen Miller we can just cast adrift in the Great Garbage Patch in the middle of the Pacific. He'd fit right in with the other trash.
“Ms. Fairweather added that it was not clear that mass deportations would even significantly reduce the number of families in need of homes. Immigrants often live with relatives who might not be expelled.”
Ignorant fucking economist. He thinks Trump’s people will give a damn who is here legally and who is not?
These are the evil motherfuckers who didn’t bother keeping track of which kids belonged to which parents during family separation.
Edit: On mass deportations, I do not put anything past Trump because no matter how bad something might seem, regarding Trump, the reality is usually worse. I do not write mass deportations as a fantasy that will never happen, should Trump win.
Let us rationally and carefully examine, as the dispassionate paper of record, whether candidate A's idea of lowering barriers to housing is sensible, or whether candidate B's idea of shooing all funny looking people out of a canon into the sun makes more rational sense. Yes indeed, there is much to consider on both sides.
"Also, it hasn’t been that big a surge, as best we can tell from this report from the Department of Homeland Security. Though facts and data are really beside the point when you’re Donald Trump."
Does Trump/his campaign imagine that every single person in the country illegally is living alone, by themselves, in a family-sized apartment or house? And that deporting them will open up all that housing stock?
Either they are that dumb, or they are just dumb enough to think WE are that dumb.
The same logic would predict that COVID deaths should free up a lot of housing. It didn't have a measurable effect as fast as I can see. Too many of Trump's COVID dead lived with other people.
I absolutely hate that fascist bullshit like this is treated as serious policy by any journalists at all. Trump normalized so many terrible ideas and behaviors.
Ok, yeah. Maybe the childishly twisted fantasy of Making America Pure Again by deporting all the immigrants regardless of status isn’t a serious idea and should probably disqualify any candidate from even being considered for office, but what about his other serious priorities? What about banning windmills to save our avian population? What about restoring the water pressure in our showers, dishwashers and toilets by executing socialists? What about saving gas stoves from the communists, and banning all vaccines now that small pox, measles and polio only exist in shithole countries? What about incarcerating homeless people? What about ending public schools and turning them into private, tax-exempt Christian camps? Trump has serious plans for his second term. He will finally bring prosperity to every conservative American home by appointing Elon Musk head of Dept of Transportation, Tucker Carlson Minister of Propaganda and Kanye West Czar of Housing and Fashion. The media are right, this is a very serious election.
Given the time, last year I revisited the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. It now is out as an audiobook. If you have access, go a visit the Ch 27 "The New Order". He is literally proposing a new order that is similar, with the same extraction of property.
And we have had it in US too - all those lynchings were not only about hate and cruelty, they were also about looting and stealing.
One reason Germans were happy to ignore the mass slaughter of Jewish people is that they moved into their houses and took their stuff. The horror of Shoah rightly over shadows the other ruthless, brutal exploitation of other occupied nations. The people of Germany looted the beyond what they could use, hundreds of trillions of dollars worth, just vile cheerful grasping entitlement. The Dutch were starving while the Germans were throwing away food or using it decoratively. They brought in Poles, Russians, people from all over Eastern Europe and worked many of them to death. Some 50,000 German households had Jewish slaves - barely clothed, fed, beaten treated worse than animals.
Daryl Fairweather's Linked-In profile begins with the following review. I'm kind of proud that I don't understand a single word of it.
Unsung Hero Award, Amazon Marketplace, Mar 2017
"Daryl is the Seller Support, Associate Experience Behavioral Economist who has, for the very first time, brought analytic rigor to the topic of associate engagement. Daryl’s work and insight has elevated how Seller Support thinks about the associate experience and its impacts on Sellers and the business. Because of Daryl’s work, we are able to tie inputs to engagement, productivity and support quality across a number of variables. Daryl’s work has also identified correlations between business-related decisions (e.g., scheduling practices, training, tools, etc.) and the Associates’ sense of value, forming what we now understand to be the Four Pillars of Associate Engagement, and the Virtuous Cycle of Engagement. Daryl’s work in linking engagement to Seller experience in a predictive, measurable way, moves the parameters of what we know the potential of Associate engagement to be for Seller Support in 2017 and beyond. She is exemplary in Customer Obsession, Ownership, Bias for Action, Invent & Simplify, Are Right a Lot, and Learn & Be Curious."
Btw, Deporting and giving their property away to your supporters is literally what the Nazis did. The Nazi Regime stole the property and assets of Jews and used it to prop up their economy
The funny thing about affordable housing is that expropriating vacation houses from the rich is a viable solution. We don't need to deport them, just make them choose which of their 11 houses (hi McCain) they want to live in.
That, and crack down on REITs and vacation rentals.
I guess you know this but "they make the trains run on time" was a joke meaning, "be careful about complaining because even noting the most obvious things can get you killed".
They did not make the trains run on time. They punished people who refused to pretend that they did.
I had an amazing conversation the other day with a man whose grandfather was a Nobel-prize winning Jewish physicist in pre-Nazi Germany. He got out as soon as the Nazis gained power, but because Jews were forbidden to bring any gold with them when they emigrated, he had to leave his Nobel medal behind. It found its way to the great Danish physicist Niels Bohr, who threw it into a solution that dissolved it within an hour -- when the Nazis inspected his lab, it was just an innocuous beaker full of liquid.
After the war -- during which Bohr was smuggled to neutral Sweden and then to England and the US, where he worked on the bomb project -- the gold was reconstituted and the Swedes gladly stamped a replacement Nobel medal out the same atoms that had been used for the first.
For the billionth time… Lying about Israel being founded on stolen land is antisemitism.
Also that you could not keep your gob shut literally the day the child of the Americans who spoke of their son at the Dem convention was murdered makes you sort of special. Don't save you hate and rage at all. Lose it, like a decent person.
By your standard Bangladesh, India, Jordan, Pakistan, Turkey, Syria, parts of Greece, and all other partitioned nations are BuILT oN StoLen LaND!! But none of that bothers you, even the genocide in Sudan or the regular slaughter of Kurds both arguably from a failure of partition.
Just that one tiny state bother you.
If you could manage to criticize the current government, then most Israelis would agree, but this bullshit about STOLEN LAND Is hateful, bigoted, and ignorant. And insanely ironic coming from an American who somehow does not think they and their (nonJewish) neighbors should be subject to slaughter and expulsion.
The Fed is independent from politics, hence why the US economy has been the biggest for so many years. How could any politician improve on such a strong economy, in spite of a pandemic and war? Nor ignore the contribution from our history of immigration that other aging countries with shrinking economies don’t have? Perhaps I am being a simpleton, if so, please elucidate.
I want to ask about the interest rates, even though I know this article is about the absurdity of mass deportations.
How much control does a president, ANY president, have over the economy and the interest rates?
I have a friend who is positive that Trump will lower the interest rates, and I don't think it's as simple as getting your preferred candidate into the White House.
The Fed, which sets interest rates, is politically neutral. But, the president appoints the chair of the Fed and two vice chairs (with Senate approval), so in theory, Trump could appoint a toady who would lower the rates at his request. It is widely expected the Fed is going to start lowering interest rates this month. In fact, average mortgage rates are already falling because everyone is so sure rate cuts are coming. Assuming nothing unexpected happens to the gently falling inflation rates, the Fed may even cut rates one or two more times this year. So if, heaven forfend, Trump wins in November, your friend could be delighted when they're "proven right."
"See? Trump's not even back in the White House, all it took was for him to win the election and rates started falling!"
He could shoot as many Fed personnel as needed to convince them to lower interest rates. After all, that would be an official act for which he would be immune.
Love that about our "democracy."
I thought it might be a NYT Pitchbot post, except it was too ridiculous to even be satire.
Mass deportations, my Aunt Tillie! I know who to deport and we can start with 147 MAGA members of Congress. Stephen Miller we can just cast adrift in the Great Garbage Patch in the middle of the Pacific. He'd fit right in with the other trash.
to;dr The Fucking New York Times:
Trump’s Lebensraum - Pros and Cons
“Ms. Fairweather added that it was not clear that mass deportations would even significantly reduce the number of families in need of homes. Immigrants often live with relatives who might not be expelled.”
Ignorant fucking economist. He thinks Trump’s people will give a damn who is here legally and who is not?
These are the evil motherfuckers who didn’t bother keeping track of which kids belonged to which parents during family separation.
Edit: On mass deportations, I do not put anything past Trump because no matter how bad something might seem, regarding Trump, the reality is usually worse. I do not write mass deportations as a fantasy that will never happen, should Trump win.
Let us rationally and carefully examine, as the dispassionate paper of record, whether candidate A's idea of lowering barriers to housing is sensible, or whether candidate B's idea of shooing all funny looking people out of a canon into the sun makes more rational sense. Yes indeed, there is much to consider on both sides.
"bullet-headed Renfield"-It was worth getting up this morning just to read this---the most perfect descriptor of Stephen Miller. I salute you!
AKA The White Man’s Nosferatu
He’s more of a remora than a genius of evil.
"Also, it hasn’t been that big a surge, as best we can tell from this report from the Department of Homeland Security. Though facts and data are really beside the point when you’re Donald Trump."
The link at "this report" is broken.
Does Trump/his campaign imagine that every single person in the country illegally is living alone, by themselves, in a family-sized apartment or house? And that deporting them will open up all that housing stock?
Either they are that dumb, or they are just dumb enough to think WE are that dumb.
Announcer: Yes, they are that dumb.
David Attenborough!
The same logic would predict that COVID deaths should free up a lot of housing. It didn't have a measurable effect as fast as I can see. Too many of Trump's COVID dead lived with other people.
I absolutely hate that fascist bullshit like this is treated as serious policy by any journalists at all. Trump normalized so many terrible ideas and behaviors.
Journalism is a slow animal. It takes a while to transition from the run-of-the-mill US political chaos to peak “WTaF?”
Ok, yeah. Maybe the childishly twisted fantasy of Making America Pure Again by deporting all the immigrants regardless of status isn’t a serious idea and should probably disqualify any candidate from even being considered for office, but what about his other serious priorities? What about banning windmills to save our avian population? What about restoring the water pressure in our showers, dishwashers and toilets by executing socialists? What about saving gas stoves from the communists, and banning all vaccines now that small pox, measles and polio only exist in shithole countries? What about incarcerating homeless people? What about ending public schools and turning them into private, tax-exempt Christian camps? Trump has serious plans for his second term. He will finally bring prosperity to every conservative American home by appointing Elon Musk head of Dept of Transportation, Tucker Carlson Minister of Propaganda and Kanye West Czar of Housing and Fashion. The media are right, this is a very serious election.
Vichy Times. “The Nazi ‘s brought the same engineering innovativeness of their highway construction programs to the problem of European Jewry.”
Given the time, last year I revisited the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. It now is out as an audiobook. If you have access, go a visit the Ch 27 "The New Order". He is literally proposing a new order that is similar, with the same extraction of property.
And we have had it in US too - all those lynchings were not only about hate and cruelty, they were also about looting and stealing.
One reason Germans were happy to ignore the mass slaughter of Jewish people is that they moved into their houses and took their stuff. The horror of Shoah rightly over shadows the other ruthless, brutal exploitation of other occupied nations. The people of Germany looted the beyond what they could use, hundreds of trillions of dollars worth, just vile cheerful grasping entitlement. The Dutch were starving while the Germans were throwing away food or using it decoratively. They brought in Poles, Russians, people from all over Eastern Europe and worked many of them to death. Some 50,000 German households had Jewish slaves - barely clothed, fed, beaten treated worse than animals.
We think of them as the epitome of evil when in fact they were simple common thieves.
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Are you going to describe Hitler’s holocaust and Stalin’s gulags as an “affordable housing policy” next,
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This is vile. Never mind canceling my subscription (did that years ago), your site is off my news tabs FFCS:
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No, NYT, you do not need to even pretend that "mass deportations" is an affordable housing strategy from Trump. FFS.
https://x.com/AFinLA/status/1829570106696880310
Daryl Fairweather's Linked-In profile begins with the following review. I'm kind of proud that I don't understand a single word of it.
Unsung Hero Award, Amazon Marketplace, Mar 2017
"Daryl is the Seller Support, Associate Experience Behavioral Economist who has, for the very first time, brought analytic rigor to the topic of associate engagement. Daryl’s work and insight has elevated how Seller Support thinks about the associate experience and its impacts on Sellers and the business. Because of Daryl’s work, we are able to tie inputs to engagement, productivity and support quality across a number of variables. Daryl’s work has also identified correlations between business-related decisions (e.g., scheduling practices, training, tools, etc.) and the Associates’ sense of value, forming what we now understand to be the Four Pillars of Associate Engagement, and the Virtuous Cycle of Engagement. Daryl’s work in linking engagement to Seller experience in a predictive, measurable way, moves the parameters of what we know the potential of Associate engagement to be for Seller Support in 2017 and beyond. She is exemplary in Customer Obsession, Ownership, Bias for Action, Invent & Simplify, Are Right a Lot, and Learn & Be Curious."
If that’s the bestvAIncan do, we’re fucked.
"Four Pillars of Associate Engagement, and the Virtuous Cycle of Engagement. "
I think it some kind of obscure religious text. Maybe it is Scientology?
Huh?
And still, Amazon sucks.
Why are they asking a middle-manager to opine on national economic policy? Oh, right, NYTimes.
Btw, Deporting and giving their property away to your supporters is literally what the Nazis did. The Nazi Regime stole the property and assets of Jews and used it to prop up their economy
The funny thing about affordable housing is that expropriating vacation houses from the rich is a viable solution. We don't need to deport them, just make them choose which of their 11 houses (hi McCain) they want to live in.
That, and crack down on REITs and vacation rentals.
Of course, because our Nazi idiots never have an original idea, and their source for the ones they propose is the worst source possible.
Shit, they might bring back passenger trains just to make sure they run on time.
I guess you know this but "they make the trains run on time" was a joke meaning, "be careful about complaining because even noting the most obvious things can get you killed".
They did not make the trains run on time. They punished people who refused to pretend that they did.
I had an amazing conversation the other day with a man whose grandfather was a Nobel-prize winning Jewish physicist in pre-Nazi Germany. He got out as soon as the Nazis gained power, but because Jews were forbidden to bring any gold with them when they emigrated, he had to leave his Nobel medal behind. It found its way to the great Danish physicist Niels Bohr, who threw it into a solution that dissolved it within an hour -- when the Nazis inspected his lab, it was just an innocuous beaker full of liquid.
After the war -- during which Bohr was smuggled to neutral Sweden and then to England and the US, where he worked on the bomb project -- the gold was reconstituted and the Swedes gladly stamped a replacement Nobel medal out the same atoms that had been used for the first.
Thank you. That is a beautiful story.
True fact: "Deport Them and Steal Their Homes" was the same policy the colonists used back in the 1500s when America was "discovered".
Also Nazi Germany. Also, sadly, Israel.
Oh fuck off with your ignorant Jew hating.
Israel is a triumph of indigenous return after imperial colonialism. Look at a map.
Can you stop pushing the talking points of literal Nazi allies in a thread about Nazi policies for one fucking day?
While Israel vaccinates Gazan children and normal people mourn the murder of helpless captives, you repeat shameless Jew-hating lies.
Hey, this will thrill you. That is horrifies everyone else should indicate what a moral horror of a human you are.
https://x.com/AndyKimNJ/status/1830255874482614350
Stop supporting terrorism by repeating bigoted lies.
https://x.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1830204589443879305
For the billionth time…
Criticizing Israel IS NOT antisemitism!
Save your unfocused rage for some shithole like Facebook.
For the billionth time… Lying about Israel being founded on stolen land is antisemitism.
Also that you could not keep your gob shut literally the day the child of the Americans who spoke of their son at the Dem convention was murdered makes you sort of special. Don't save you hate and rage at all. Lose it, like a decent person.
By your standard Bangladesh, India, Jordan, Pakistan, Turkey, Syria, parts of Greece, and all other partitioned nations are BuILT oN StoLen LaND!! But none of that bothers you, even the genocide in Sudan or the regular slaughter of Kurds both arguably from a failure of partition.
Just that one tiny state bother you.
If you could manage to criticize the current government, then most Israelis would agree, but this bullshit about STOLEN LAND Is hateful, bigoted, and ignorant. And insanely ironic coming from an American who somehow does not think they and their (nonJewish) neighbors should be subject to slaughter and expulsion.