So how do we go about getting our records changed? We all need 9 months added to our age so we can collect our social security that much sooner. Every little bit helps and if they are gonna be morons about when you become a person then we should be able to use it to our advantage until they are forced to come to their senses.
I suppose the under 21 crowd would like to speed up their legal drinking status as well.
Oh, and people checking their calendars before they are eligible to move into 55+ housing will be pleased too.
I’m sure there are other things I haven’t considered.
I think if enough people push for this govt might realize the error of their ways. Ok, that’s wishful thinking but anything is possible.
Don't be too sure. A blastocyst which fails to implant, which happens 30 to 50% of the time? Human child made in the image of God. Manslaughter at best. Menstruation is murder, girls. It can't be God's fault so it clearly must be Mom's.
It was only a matter of time before they started saying the quiet parts out loud, believing themselves immune from the Rule of Law.
Anti-abortion proponents believe that the soul enters the body at the moment of conception, making that a fully-formed human being in the eyes of the Lord.
From the moment of fertilization, the primary issue is getting that "baby" born so it can be baptized, otherwise it will not spend eternity in Heaven.
So, as an atheist, not believing in a soul........would I have a 'religious freedom' exemption from all this nonsense? You know......like 'Christian' pharmacists do when it comes to filling any kind of birth control prescriptions????? What if I'm a Satanist? Or horror of horrors........a MOOOOOOSLIM!?!?!?
This is good because now they can't avoid the notion that their Lord is murderering every single miscarriaged child.
It's not good because then they will, in order to defend their god as they always do, blame it on the mother for "sinning' or something so God would punish them by murdering their child while it is still an egg just like how he punished David for sleeping with another man's wife and killing that same man who was a loyal general under him (Uriah and his wife is Bethsheba) slowly and painfully killing the son conceived between David and Bethsheba through illness.
Drive in the carpool lane 'alone' ? Demand child support from the sperm donor? Take paid maternity leave for your entire pregnancy? Get SNAP benefits for your 'extrauterine children? The child tax credit would be a given.......and just imagine having to figure all the back pay to be calculated for all those benefits. Idiots.......
If this wasn't real it would be hilarious. I vote each Alabama SC judge has to have a frozen embryo implanted in their abdomen and charge 'em with manslaughter if it doesn't become a viable pregnancy
Oral contraceptives and IUDs have effects on implantation. They would both have to go completely even though the effects are very minor because if the fertilized egg person cannot implant it will die so any possible impediment will be homicide.
From JessicaValenti's substack abortion Every day:
REDEFINING ‘CONTRACEPTION’
One of the primary ways Republicans think that they’ll get away with banning birth control is by lying about what birth control actually is. Specifically, they’re trying to redefine common types of contraception—like hormonal birth control and IUDs—as ‘abortifacients’.
Redefining birth control as abortion not only makes it easier for lawmakers to prohibit contraception, it also gives them semantic cover: Conservatives never have to admit that they’re trying to ban birth control; they just claim they’re opposing abortion.
Students for Life, for example, one of the country’s most powerful anti-abortion groups, classifies IUDs, emergency contraception and every single kind of hormonal birth control—from the pill to patches—as ‘abortifacients’. The only forms of birth control they believe aren’t abortions are sterilization, condoms and other barrier methods.
So when the group says, as they do on their website, that they’ve made “no effort of any kind” to “limit birth control, which is defined as that which prevents pregnancy,” all they’re really saying is that they’re not trying to ban condoms or other barrier methods. Because remember: they’ve already established that they believe most forms of contraception are actually abortions. It’s a slick way of claiming that they’re not trying to ban birth control while they actively work to ban birth control.
Another powerful conservative organization, Concerned Women for America (CWA), released a ‘fact-sheet’ this year—Contraception v. Abortion—that claims to clear up the “confusion” around the difference between birth control and abortion. (Is anyone actually confused?) Instead of making an outright list like Students for Life does, CWA is less explicit: The group writes that pregnancy begins at the moment of fertilization—not when a fertilized egg implants in the uterus.
It’s a key distinction, because conservatives have spent years building the legal argument that emergency contraception and IUDs disrupt the implantation of a fertilized egg and are therefore abortifacients. (The science doesn’t bear that out, but even if it did, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists defines ‘fertilization’ as the first step in a series of events “that leads to pregnancy.”)
In 2014, for example, the retail chain Hobby Lobby—supported by Republican politicians and anti-abortion groups—argued that they shouldn’t have to cover employees’ contraception because IUDs and the morning after-pill end pregnancies. That’s not true, but the company still won their case before the Supreme Court.
That’s what’s so important to understand about this redefinition tactic: it isn’t only happening rhetorically or theoretically, but is being used to actively prohibit real women from obtaining birth control. I spoke to a woman in Georgia, for example, whose health insurance company denied her coverage for an IUD because they considered it a “sanctity of life” issue. Republicans in Colorado made the same argument about ‘abortifacients’ when they tried to end a program that gave out free IUDs, as did the Missouri GOP when they fought to prevent Medicaid from covering IUDs, arguing “it’s not birth control.” https://jessica.substack.com/p/the-gops-plan-to-ban-birth-control
Yes, I went straight to Ms Valenti on this as well.
Also in the comments section there:
From Rebecca Chalker: Here is the evidenced-based answer to the latest Alabama attack on the right to abortion:
The claim of the putative personhood of embryos and fetuses is scientifically fraudulent. It is not a clump of cells or even immature fetuses, but the brain with consciousness that includes awareness of perceptual and emotional experience that characterize humanness, and these faculties are not sufficiently developed until around the end of the second trimester when early connections to the sense organs are sufficiently established. -- The emergence of consciousness: Science and ethics. Lagercrantz H1. Karolinska Institute and Astrid Lindgren Children's Hospital, Karolinska University Hospital X5:01, 171 76 Stockholm, Sweden. Electronic address: hugo.lagercrantz@ki.se.\
SGT JMK, I REALLY like your Avatar...the funny frog with the hat.
I have a special love for reptiles and amphibians...they are goofy animals, mostly helpful (they zap annoying bugs and mice), make funny noises, look weird and faux fierce, and make good pets.
I’m going to stick with my previous solution: any embryos not used in IVF should be implanted into “pro-life*” republicans who will assume full responsibility for them both before and after they are carried to term.
*And yes I know the term “pro-life” is bullshit, hence the scare quotes.
I always think that the "pro-lifers," being death penalty advocates really want these unwanted kids to be born, grow up unwanted, unloved, and uneducated, so that they commit heinous crimes, get caught, tried, convicted, and put to death.
That way, we can finally have the definitive reality show:
MONDAY NIGHT EXECUTION!
Brought to you by Remington Arms and Public Service Electric and Gas!
Every time these misogynistic fascists ”win”, they turn more people, and of course especially women, against them and their allies in public office; and they are already a significant minority of the population.
The “pro-life” movement may well end up being the greatest antifa GOTV driver in this year’s election, particularly if SCOTUS upholds the mifepristone ban.
They were “heading for” it ever since Roe; once they started murdering doctors and firebombing clinics—and very publicly encouraging such violence using mass media—they’ve pretty much got there.
Those that won't agree haven't been paying atttention.
I suggest you call them what they, are "forced-Birthers, as "Pro-life" was a marketing decision, and they aren't, once the kid is born it is not their problem.
I really do hope that there are like two dozen cases being filed today where women are demanding that their ex-husbands pay child support for the frozen embryos.
Apply for a life insurance policy for your child, which quite a few parents now do after the birth, the moment you have confirmation of fertilization. Let them deny the application and take them all the way to the Supreme Court.
So how do we go about getting our records changed? We all need 9 months added to our age so we can collect our social security that much sooner. Every little bit helps and if they are gonna be morons about when you become a person then we should be able to use it to our advantage until they are forced to come to their senses.
I suppose the under 21 crowd would like to speed up their legal drinking status as well.
Oh, and people checking their calendars before they are eligible to move into 55+ housing will be pleased too.
I’m sure there are other things I haven’t considered.
I think if enough people push for this govt might realize the error of their ways. Ok, that’s wishful thinking but anything is possible.
Similarly, I've never heard of anyone being tried as an adult attempting to register to vote.
If that has ever happened, I'd love to know about it.
I prefer our St. Hippo of Augustine over St. Augustine of Hippo.
Funny how so much care goes into stuff that hasn't left a woman's body yet, and yet the instant it does all that worry and concern disappears.
Don't be too sure. A blastocyst which fails to implant, which happens 30 to 50% of the time? Human child made in the image of God. Manslaughter at best. Menstruation is murder, girls. It can't be God's fault so it clearly must be Mom's.
That is a very observant deduction.
𝑊𝑒 𝑏𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑣𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑒𝑎𝑐ℎ ℎ𝑢𝑚𝑎𝑛 𝑏𝑒𝑖𝑛𝑔, 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑚𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑐𝑒𝑝𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛, 𝑖𝑠 𝑚𝑎𝑑𝑒 𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑖𝑚𝑎𝑔𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝐺𝑜𝑑, 𝑐𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑏𝑦 𝐻𝑖𝑚 𝑡𝑜 𝑟𝑒𝑓𝑙𝑒𝑐𝑡 𝐻𝑖𝑠 𝑙𝑖𝑘𝑒𝑛𝑒𝑠𝑠.
It was only a matter of time before they started saying the quiet parts out loud, believing themselves immune from the Rule of Law.
Anti-abortion proponents believe that the soul enters the body at the moment of conception, making that a fully-formed human being in the eyes of the Lord.
From the moment of fertilization, the primary issue is getting that "baby" born so it can be baptized, otherwise it will not spend eternity in Heaven.
So, as an atheist, not believing in a soul........would I have a 'religious freedom' exemption from all this nonsense? You know......like 'Christian' pharmacists do when it comes to filling any kind of birth control prescriptions????? What if I'm a Satanist? Or horror of horrors........a MOOOOOOSLIM!?!?!?
I've always thought it was long past time for atheists to use the sincerely held beliefs line like a bludgeon on the religious right.
The Satanic Temple does quite a lot of heavy lifting along those lines...
This is good because now they can't avoid the notion that their Lord is murderering every single miscarriaged child.
It's not good because then they will, in order to defend their god as they always do, blame it on the mother for "sinning' or something so God would punish them by murdering their child while it is still an egg just like how he punished David for sleeping with another man's wife and killing that same man who was a loyal general under him (Uriah and his wife is Bethsheba) slowly and painfully killing the son conceived between David and Bethsheba through illness.
In fact, maybe they are already doing that.
Can you get a child tax credit?
Drive in the carpool lane 'alone' ? Demand child support from the sperm donor? Take paid maternity leave for your entire pregnancy? Get SNAP benefits for your 'extrauterine children? The child tax credit would be a given.......and just imagine having to figure all the back pay to be calculated for all those benefits. Idiots.......
How about a life insurance policy?
If this wasn't real it would be hilarious. I vote each Alabama SC judge has to have a frozen embryo implanted in their abdomen and charge 'em with manslaughter if it doesn't become a viable pregnancy
Oral contraceptives and IUDs have effects on implantation. They would both have to go completely even though the effects are very minor because if the fertilized egg person cannot implant it will die so any possible impediment will be homicide.
From JessicaValenti's substack abortion Every day:
REDEFINING ‘CONTRACEPTION’
One of the primary ways Republicans think that they’ll get away with banning birth control is by lying about what birth control actually is. Specifically, they’re trying to redefine common types of contraception—like hormonal birth control and IUDs—as ‘abortifacients’.
Redefining birth control as abortion not only makes it easier for lawmakers to prohibit contraception, it also gives them semantic cover: Conservatives never have to admit that they’re trying to ban birth control; they just claim they’re opposing abortion.
Students for Life, for example, one of the country’s most powerful anti-abortion groups, classifies IUDs, emergency contraception and every single kind of hormonal birth control—from the pill to patches—as ‘abortifacients’. The only forms of birth control they believe aren’t abortions are sterilization, condoms and other barrier methods.
So when the group says, as they do on their website, that they’ve made “no effort of any kind” to “limit birth control, which is defined as that which prevents pregnancy,” all they’re really saying is that they’re not trying to ban condoms or other barrier methods. Because remember: they’ve already established that they believe most forms of contraception are actually abortions. It’s a slick way of claiming that they’re not trying to ban birth control while they actively work to ban birth control.
Another powerful conservative organization, Concerned Women for America (CWA), released a ‘fact-sheet’ this year—Contraception v. Abortion—that claims to clear up the “confusion” around the difference between birth control and abortion. (Is anyone actually confused?) Instead of making an outright list like Students for Life does, CWA is less explicit: The group writes that pregnancy begins at the moment of fertilization—not when a fertilized egg implants in the uterus.
It’s a key distinction, because conservatives have spent years building the legal argument that emergency contraception and IUDs disrupt the implantation of a fertilized egg and are therefore abortifacients. (The science doesn’t bear that out, but even if it did, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists defines ‘fertilization’ as the first step in a series of events “that leads to pregnancy.”)
In 2014, for example, the retail chain Hobby Lobby—supported by Republican politicians and anti-abortion groups—argued that they shouldn’t have to cover employees’ contraception because IUDs and the morning after-pill end pregnancies. That’s not true, but the company still won their case before the Supreme Court.
That’s what’s so important to understand about this redefinition tactic: it isn’t only happening rhetorically or theoretically, but is being used to actively prohibit real women from obtaining birth control. I spoke to a woman in Georgia, for example, whose health insurance company denied her coverage for an IUD because they considered it a “sanctity of life” issue. Republicans in Colorado made the same argument about ‘abortifacients’ when they tried to end a program that gave out free IUDs, as did the Missouri GOP when they fought to prevent Medicaid from covering IUDs, arguing “it’s not birth control.” https://jessica.substack.com/p/the-gops-plan-to-ban-birth-control
Yes, I went straight to Ms Valenti on this as well.
Also in the comments section there:
From Rebecca Chalker: Here is the evidenced-based answer to the latest Alabama attack on the right to abortion:
The claim of the putative personhood of embryos and fetuses is scientifically fraudulent. It is not a clump of cells or even immature fetuses, but the brain with consciousness that includes awareness of perceptual and emotional experience that characterize humanness, and these faculties are not sufficiently developed until around the end of the second trimester when early connections to the sense organs are sufficiently established. -- The emergence of consciousness: Science and ethics. Lagercrantz H1. Karolinska Institute and Astrid Lindgren Children's Hospital, Karolinska University Hospital X5:01, 171 76 Stockholm, Sweden. Electronic address: hugo.lagercrantz@ki.se.\
She's the best. It is a joy to comment there.
I can’t even begin to guess how many bad things could happen….
SGT JMK, I REALLY like your Avatar...the funny frog with the hat.
I have a special love for reptiles and amphibians...they are goofy animals, mostly helpful (they zap annoying bugs and mice), make funny noises, look weird and faux fierce, and make good pets.
I’m going to stick with my previous solution: any embryos not used in IVF should be implanted into “pro-life*” republicans who will assume full responsibility for them both before and after they are carried to term.
*And yes I know the term “pro-life” is bullshit, hence the scare quotes.
I would not want any of my genetic material supplied to assholes to abuse.
Good point. I wouldn’t worry though. Because their ardent defense of the unborn would disappear the second it would cost them a dime.
You are wise Wookie!
I always think that the "pro-lifers," being death penalty advocates really want these unwanted kids to be born, grow up unwanted, unloved, and uneducated, so that they commit heinous crimes, get caught, tried, convicted, and put to death.
That way, we can finally have the definitive reality show:
MONDAY NIGHT EXECUTION!
Brought to you by Remington Arms and Public Service Electric and Gas!
Great job, Marcie!
China is going to wipe the floor with us. They don't tolerate batshit religious whackos, especially not in positions of government
* waves Little Red Book rhythmically *
Ice ice Babbies
https://youtu.be/rog8ou-ZepE?si=oCT_EcEDdTzCqZY3
made me smile
Every time these misogynistic fascists ”win”, they turn more people, and of course especially women, against them and their allies in public office; and they are already a significant minority of the population.
The “pro-life” movement may well end up being the greatest antifa GOTV driver in this year’s election, particularly if SCOTUS upholds the mifepristone ban.
the pro life movement is rapidly heading for extremist and therefore terrorist classification in my book (not all will agree, and that's ok)
They were “heading for” it ever since Roe; once they started murdering doctors and firebombing clinics—and very publicly encouraging such violence using mass media—they’ve pretty much got there.
Those that won't agree haven't been paying atttention.
I suggest you call them what they, are "forced-Birthers, as "Pro-life" was a marketing decision, and they aren't, once the kid is born it is not their problem.
I really do hope that there are like two dozen cases being filed today where women are demanding that their ex-husbands pay child support for the frozen embryos.
Apply for a life insurance policy for your child, which quite a few parents now do after the birth, the moment you have confirmation of fertilization. Let them deny the application and take them all the way to the Supreme Court.
When a fertilized ovum turns 18, will Alabama allow it to vote?
"Cock Blockula" LOLOLOLOL
I suspect that if people like this bake a cake, they think it's okay to substitute a chicken for an egg.