Despite all the B.S. results it engenders, "originalism" strikes me as a relatively respectable doctrine. . .unless and until it's pushed to the point of absurdity.
I would like some enlightened school district in Texas to mount another sign right next to the 10 Commandments. With an arrow pointing to them and saying “these are religious beliefs not facts or rules, and have no bearing on your life whatsoever.” Because you just know that some Christian nationalist is going to complain about blasphemy. You know, the thing they said that this was not.
I'm not sure I follow the logic of the argument that the 10 C's must be posted in public schools so that the little tykes learn the foundation of our secular laws but the presence of those trite truisms and scolds is not an endorsement of them. Fuck those idiots, without a lubricant.
And if you look at the signs Texas has made classrooms post, this isn't just discriminatory towards non-Christians, but Christians as well, as the version of the Ten Commandments they have is the weird Calvinist version, where the First Commandment is split in two while the Ninth and Tenth are conflated into one (since apparently wives and property are the same thing), not the Catholic version.
"What schools should do, frankly, should be to put the Commandments on the wall …next to the tenets of every other religion on earth, past and present. Because, really, nothing makes a person skeptical about one God quite like learning about all of the others. Most of them won’t do that, because Texas, but a girl can dream."
This is my dream, too. There will be a few brave teachers in Texas who do this, and they will fill the Christianist fundamentalists with stupid rage.
So Moses comes down form the mountain with the tablets in hand. He announces,"I have good news and bad. Good news is I got him down to ten. Bad news,Adultery stays in."
They could post the ten commandments in Hebrew and Greek, at least the kids would start to get curious about antiquity and foreign languages. Heck around here Spanish or Arhamic would be legible to the majority of kids in grade school.
I am in a quite different camp. I maintain that CINOs have the Ten Commandments all wrong much like they have 'speaking in tongues' all wrong. Christ consistently preached that He held but two commandments: 1) Love God; 2) Love your neighbor as you love yourself. No Charleton Heston vibes whatsoever.
(Mt 22:36-40) Master, which is the great commandment in the law? (37) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. (38) This is the first and great commandment. (39) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. (40) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
I like the still of Charlton Heston as Moses holding the tablets of the law and giving that irate -daddy look to the worshippers of the Golden Calf. Hey, I think THE TEN COMMANDMENTS is a great fantasy movie with a great cast. But it takes liberties with the sources. In the movie, Heston hurls down the tablets with a bellow of, "Those who will not live by the law ... shall DIE by the law!" whereupon the ground opens in an earthquake and engulfs those orgiastic sinners.
In the actual Book of Exodus, Moses calls out, "Who is on the Lord's side?" and has the Levites draw their swords and slaughter a few thousand Golden Calf worshippers right then. Now that's how you impose respect for the ten commandments. Paxton's such a wuss.
Also, right in the very first commandment is the implication of other gods. I’ve posted this elsewhere, but “no other gods before me” tells us that the writers of the Old Testament knew about and accepted the existence of other gods, as would have been the common belief of all cultures of the time. Yahweh proclaimed himself to be the god of the Jews, but there were plenty of other deities on the scene.
I'm sure some of the people behind this edict would like to bring back Blue Laws - "Thou shalt sit in a church pew on Sunday instead of roaming the aisles at godless Costco."
Just a reminder that the “ good book” itself has no less than three versions of the 10 Commandments: Exodus 20:1–17, Deuteronomy 5:6–21, Exodus 34:11–26.
But I think it’s important to remember what Jesus himself did taught was the most important tenet of his religion: to love others as you love your god and yourself.
Despite all the B.S. results it engenders, "originalism" strikes me as a relatively respectable doctrine. . .unless and until it's pushed to the point of absurdity.
I would like some enlightened school district in Texas to mount another sign right next to the 10 Commandments. With an arrow pointing to them and saying “these are religious beliefs not facts or rules, and have no bearing on your life whatsoever.” Because you just know that some Christian nationalist is going to complain about blasphemy. You know, the thing they said that this was not.
How about this set of the Ten Commandments? Will they be abled to be posted next the Texas version of the Ten Commandments?
https://cdn.prod.dailykos.com/images/1312799/large/0001_FL9694984.jpg?1718897788
Or how about this religion's commandments?
https://www.spaghettimonster.org/
I'm not sure I follow the logic of the argument that the 10 C's must be posted in public schools so that the little tykes learn the foundation of our secular laws but the presence of those trite truisms and scolds is not an endorsement of them. Fuck those idiots, without a lubricant.
And if you look at the signs Texas has made classrooms post, this isn't just discriminatory towards non-Christians, but Christians as well, as the version of the Ten Commandments they have is the weird Calvinist version, where the First Commandment is split in two while the Ninth and Tenth are conflated into one (since apparently wives and property are the same thing), not the Catholic version.
Obligatory: Tim Minchin's 'Thank You God,' you have to sit through the story for the song to make sense.
Minchin is famously an athiest.
https://youtu.be/IZeWPScnolo?si=rduoj-d719EldbW0
"Athy? Minchin's the athiest!"
"What schools should do, frankly, should be to put the Commandments on the wall …next to the tenets of every other religion on earth, past and present. Because, really, nothing makes a person skeptical about one God quite like learning about all of the others. Most of them won’t do that, because Texas, but a girl can dream."
This is my dream, too. There will be a few brave teachers in Texas who do this, and they will fill the Christianist fundamentalists with stupid rage.
Ta, Robyn. So, TX is so wealthy that it can throw taxpayer money for education at frivolities like the? Madness.
So Moses comes down form the mountain with the tablets in hand. He announces,"I have good news and bad. Good news is I got him down to ten. Bad news,Adultery stays in."
Did the bush talk to Moses before or after he smelled the smoke?
They could post the ten commandments in Hebrew and Greek, at least the kids would start to get curious about antiquity and foreign languages. Heck around here Spanish or Arhamic would be legible to the majority of kids in grade school.
I am in a quite different camp. I maintain that CINOs have the Ten Commandments all wrong much like they have 'speaking in tongues' all wrong. Christ consistently preached that He held but two commandments: 1) Love God; 2) Love your neighbor as you love yourself. No Charleton Heston vibes whatsoever.
(Mt 22:36-40) Master, which is the great commandment in the law? (37) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. (38) This is the first and great commandment. (39) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. (40) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
I'm not Christian but what about the Beatitudes.? Those are good.
I like the still of Charlton Heston as Moses holding the tablets of the law and giving that irate -daddy look to the worshippers of the Golden Calf. Hey, I think THE TEN COMMANDMENTS is a great fantasy movie with a great cast. But it takes liberties with the sources. In the movie, Heston hurls down the tablets with a bellow of, "Those who will not live by the law ... shall DIE by the law!" whereupon the ground opens in an earthquake and engulfs those orgiastic sinners.
In the actual Book of Exodus, Moses calls out, "Who is on the Lord's side?" and has the Levites draw their swords and slaughter a few thousand Golden Calf worshippers right then. Now that's how you impose respect for the ten commandments. Paxton's such a wuss.
Also, right in the very first commandment is the implication of other gods. I’ve posted this elsewhere, but “no other gods before me” tells us that the writers of the Old Testament knew about and accepted the existence of other gods, as would have been the common belief of all cultures of the time. Yahweh proclaimed himself to be the god of the Jews, but there were plenty of other deities on the scene.
"...I can do anything I want on a Sunday..."
I'm sure some of the people behind this edict would like to bring back Blue Laws - "Thou shalt sit in a church pew on Sunday instead of roaming the aisles at godless Costco."
Golf. of course is OK
"of course."
(so to speak)
The Sabbath was originally on Saturday. Ever worked a shift on a Saturday? Congratulations, you’re a sinner!
Just a reminder that the “ good book” itself has no less than three versions of the 10 Commandments: Exodus 20:1–17, Deuteronomy 5:6–21, Exodus 34:11–26.
But I think it’s important to remember what Jesus himself did taught was the most important tenet of his religion: to love others as you love your god and yourself.
F*ckin’ hypocrites.
I suggest posting in the original Hebrew:
וַיְדַבֵּר אֱלֹהִים אֵת כָּל הַדְּבָרִים הָאֵלֶּה לֵאמֹר
אָנֹכִי יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ אֲשֶׁר הוֹצֵאתִיךָ מֵאֶרֶץ מִצְרַיִם מִבֵּית עֲבָדִים
לֹא יִהְיֶה לְךָ אֱלֹהִים אֲחֵרִים עַל פָּנָי
לֹא תַעֲשֶׂה לְךָ פֶסֶל וְכָל תְּמוּנָה אֲשֶׁר בַּשָּׁמַיִם מִמַּעַל וַאֲשֶׁר בָּאָרֶץ מִתָּחַת וַאֲשֶׁר בַּמַּיִם מִתַּחַת לָאָרֶץ
לֹא תִשְׁתַּחֲוֶה לָהֶם וְלֹא תָעָבְדֵם כִּי אָנֹכִי יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ אֵל קַנָּא פֹּקֵד עֲו?ֹן אָבֹת עַל בָּנִים עַל שִׁלֵּשִׁים וְעַל רִבֵּעִים לְשֹׂנְאָי
וְעֹשֶׂה חֶסֶד לַאֲלָפִים לְאֹהֲבַי וּלְשֹׁמְרֵי מִצְו?ֹתָי
לֹא תִשָּׂא אֶת שֵׁם יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ לַשָּׁוְא כִּי לֹא יְנַקֶּה יְהוָה אֵת אֲשֶׁר יִשָּׂא אֶת שְׁמוֹ לַשָּׁוְא
זָכוֹר אֶת יוֹם הַשַּׁבָּת לְקַדְּשׁוֹ
שֵׁשֶׁת יָמִים תַּעֲבֹד וְעָשִׂיתָ כָּל מְלַאכְתֶּךָ
וְיוֹם הַשְּׁבִיעִי שַׁבָּת לַיהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ לֹא תַעֲשֶׂה כָל מְלָאכָה אַתָּה וּבִנְךָ וּבִתֶּךָ עַבְדְּךָ וַאֲמָתְךָ וּבְהֶמְתֶּךָ וְגֵרְךָ אֲשֶׁר בִּשְׁעָרֶיךָ
כִּי שֵׁשֶׁת יָמִים עָשָׂה יְהוָה אֶת הַשָּׁמַיִם וְאֶת הָאָרֶץ אֶת הַיָּם וְאֶת כָּל אֲשֶׁר בָּם וַיָּנַח בַּיּוֹם הַשְּׁבִיעִי עַל כֵּן בֵּרַךְ יְהוָה אֶת יוֹם הַשַּׁבָּת וַיְקַדְּשֵׁהוּ
כַּבֵּד אֶת אָבִיךָ וְאֶת אִמֶּךָ לְמַעַן יַאֲרִכוּן יָמֶיךָ עַל הָאֲדָמָה אֲשֶׁר יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ נֹתֵן לָךְ
לֹא תִרְצָח
לֹא תִנְאָף
לֹא תִגְנֹב
לֹא תַעֲנֶה בְרֵעֲךָ עֵד שָׁקֶר
לֹא תַחְמֹד בֵּית רֵעֶךָ לֹא תַחְמֹד אֵשֶׁת רֵעֶךָ וְעַבְדּוֹ וַאֲמָתוֹ וְשׁוֹרוֹ וַחֲמֹרוֹ וְכֹל אֲשֶׁר לְרֵעֶךָ
I should have scrolled down.
AMHARIC: New Standard Version Bible
Exodus (ዘፀአት) 20:3-17
3 “ከእኔ በቀር ሌሎች አማልክት አይኑሩህ።
4 “በላይ በሰማይ ወይም በታች በምድር ካለው ወይም በውሃ ውስጥ ከሚኖሩት ነገሮች በማናቸውም ምስል ለራስህ ጣዖትን አታብጅ።
5 አትስገድላቸው፤ አታምልካቸውም፤ እኔ እግዚአብሔር አምላክህ (ያህዌ ኤሎሂም) የሚጠሉኝን ልጆች ከአባቶቻቸው ኀጢአት የተነሣ እስከ ሦስትና አራት ትውልድ ድረስ የምቀጣ ቀናተኛ አምላክ (ኤሎሂም) ነኝ፤
6 ነገር ግን ለሚወዱኝና ትእዛዛቴን ለሚጠብቁ እስከ ሺህ ትውልድ ድረስ ፍቅርን የማሳይ ነኝ።
7 “የእግዚአብሔር (ያህዌ) የአምላክህን ስም ያለ አግባብ አታንሣ፤ እግዚአብሔር (ያህዌ) ስሙን ያለ አግባብ የሚያነሣውን በደል አልባ አያደርገውምና።
8 “የሰንበትን ቀን ቅዱስ አድርገህ አክብር።
9 ስድስት ቀን ትሠራለህ፤ ሥራህንም ሁሉ አከናውን።
10 ሰባተኛው ቀን ግን ለአምላክህ ለእግዚአብሔር (ያህዌ) ሰንበት ነው። በዕለቱ አንተም ሆንህ ወንድ ልጅህ ወይም ሴት ልጅህ፣ ወንድ አገልጋይህ ወይም ሴት አገልጋይህ፣ ወይም እንስሳትህ፣ ወይም በግቢህ ያለ መጻተኛ ምንም ሥራ አትሠሩም።
11 እግዚአብሔር (ያህዌ) ሰማይንና ምድርን፤ ባሕርንና በውስጡም ያሉትን ሁሉ በስድስት ቀን ፈጥሮ፤ በሰባተኛው ቀን አርፎአልና። ስለዚህ እግዚአብሔር (ያህዌ) የሰንበትን ቀን ባረከው፤ ቀደሰውም።
12 ‘አባትህንና እናትህን አክብር፤ እግዚአብሔር አምላክህ (ያህዌ ኤሎሂም) በሚሰጥህ ምድር ዕድሜህ እንዲረዝም።
13 “አትግደል።
14 “አታመንዝር።
15 “አትስረቅ።
16 “በባልንጀራህ ላይ በሐሰት አትመስክር።
17 “የባልንጀራህን ቤት አትመኝ፤ የባልንጀራህን ሚስት ወይም የእርሱን ወንድ አገልጋይ ሆነ ሴት አገልጋይ፣ በሬውንም ሆነ አህያውን ወይም የእርሱ የሆነውን ማናቸውንም ነገር አትመኝ።