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Andre's avatar

I’m not keen on high profile defense lawyers having scumbag clients, but that is the job. She crossed the rubicon, like so many, by being chummy with them rather than solely a professional relationship

Lemonhead's avatar

The powers that be moneyed elite white patriarchy motherfuckers...no wonder they've been pushing the rubes to be mad about DEI.

Always Be Ithacating's avatar

I somehow missed this appalling story, but Peter Attia (the Epstein pal now at CBS) confessed in his own 2022 book that five years earlier he had ignored his wife's pleas to fly to California to see his 5-week-old son in the hospital after the baby had suffered cardiac arrest.

Attia remained in New York, and on the second day after he got the news, he kept an appointment to meet with Jeffrey Epstein. https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2026/02/02/epstein-files-peter-attia-cbs-news-contributor/88474652007

GlazedHaim's avatar

A friendly reminder that the “best” lawyers are often just people who benefitted from a hierarchical system of schools and firms that don’t reflect the most talented, just the most pedigreed. While we don’t need to make every bottom tier law grad, say, FBI Director (cough cough, kash kash), we need to look at the system where elites are in the business of advancing the fortunes of other elites to the detriment of everyone else.

Enter Ranting's avatar

But that sounds like DEI!!!

Always Be Ithacating's avatar

It's been on the Republican wish list for a long time to return universities to nothing more than private finishing schools for the rich to make connections, which will have the effect of restricting professional positions with wealth and power to their own progeny.

The rest of you rabble can enroll in for-profit diploma mills – with no financial aid, and no protection from fraud, discrimination, or lack of accreditation.

Fender Deluxe's avatar

Well, if this Republican dream becomes reality, forget having a future with USA citizens as engineers or scientists or historians or anything other than lawyers, bankers and business execs.

Face it: nobody in the Epstein Class will send their offspring to college for those non-Epstein degrees. Colleges will stop offering them and pretty soon, it’s all over.

Ganjaneer's avatar

IIRC Epstein was labeled as a tech guru by the media. Did not know blackmail was a tech industry occupation !?. Seems as though the big tech likes blackmail though...

Always Be Ithacating's avatar

Blackmail is tech as long as you keep the evidence in a database.

Megan Macomber's avatar

Does she have to give up the "Esquire"? If not, further sanctions are warranted. As in: Gimme the fucking watch. And the Hermes bag too while you're at it--my color is green; trade if you must. You know how to trade.

Rachel Avery's avatar

> It never fails to amaze, the number of smart people who got taken in by this guy. Ruemmler was White House counsel under Barack Obama, one of the prosecutors in the Enron case who helped put away Ken Lay and Jeff Skilling. She was a partner at a prestigious law firm, and then general counsel for Goldman Sachs.

> In other words, not an idiot.

I see a lot of similarities to the folks who invested in Theranos. What's going on with the top 1% that causes them to glom on to these nobodies?

archy's avatar

They scam one another, too.

Fender Deluxe's avatar

The Theranos Grift was smart, in that they realized you have to rip off the stupid rich, because they have the money.

The problem is the stupid rich are also in the position of being able to do something when they get ripped off. See: Madoff, Bernie.

helenasgarden's avatar

You don't have to be an idiot. You just have to be easily bought.

Hank Napkin's avatar

"Blood cells so small, they can tell all." But in Latin.

Hank Napkin's avatar

"Cheaply bought".

Wookiee Monster's avatar

Epstein was the Forest Gump of sex traffickers. He’s met everybody.

Is Gary Sinise in the files?

Daniel O'Riordan's avatar

Just so you know, I'm not in the Epstein Files.

Runfastandwin's avatar

which again begs the question, wtaf was Biden doing for FOUR GD YEARS?!? every day that goes by I think less of him.

You Should Ice That Burn's avatar

Miami Herald investigative reporter Julie K. Brown “They had an open grand jury. … And even after Maxwell’s conviction, the case was on appeal — anyone in law enforcement knows you don’t open your case file when it’s still under appeal,”

Runfastandwin's avatar

those are outdated rules that might have made sense in the last century. if you wait for appeals to play out nothing changes for years and by that time voters have forgotten everything they ever knew.

Jens TINGLEFF's avatar

At least other stories from the past are getting dug up.

𝘒𝘢𝘳𝘦𝘯 𝘔𝘶𝘭𝘥𝘦𝘳: 𝘍𝘢𝘴𝘩𝘪𝘰𝘯’𝘴 𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘨𝘰𝘵𝘵𝘦𝘯 𝘸𝘩𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘭𝘦𝘣𝘭𝘰𝘸𝘦𝘳 𝘸𝘩𝘰 𝘭𝘰𝘴𝘵 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨

𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘌𝘱𝘴𝘵𝘦𝘪𝘯 𝘧𝘪𝘭𝘦𝘴 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘤𝘢𝘴𝘵 𝘯𝘦𝘸 𝘭𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵 𝘰𝘯 𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘨𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘴 𝘮𝘢𝘥𝘦 25 𝘺𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘴 𝘢𝘨𝘰 𝘣𝘺 𝘢 ‘𝘝𝘰𝘨𝘶𝘦’ 𝘮𝘰𝘥𝘦𝘭 𝘸𝘩𝘰 𝘤𝘭𝘢𝘪𝘮𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘣𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘢𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘥𝘴 𝘰𝘧 𝘳𝘰𝘺𝘢𝘭𝘵𝘺, 𝘱𝘰𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘤𝘪𝘢𝘯𝘴 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘺𝘤𝘰𝘰𝘯𝘴. 𝘒𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘦 𝘙𝘰𝘴𝘴𝘦𝘪𝘯𝘴𝘬𝘺 𝘵𝘦𝘭𝘭𝘴 𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘵𝘳𝘢𝘨𝘪𝘤 𝘴𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘺

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𝘉𝘶𝘵 𝘪𝘯 𝘢 2022 𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘷𝘪𝘦𝘸, 𝘈𝘳𝘥𝘪𝘴𝘴𝘰𝘯, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘸𝘩𝘰 𝘤𝘶𝘵 𝘰𝘧𝘧 𝘔𝘶𝘭𝘥𝘦𝘳’𝘴 𝘪𝘯𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘰𝘶𝘵𝘱𝘰𝘶𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘨, 𝘴𝘦𝘦𝘮𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘭𝘰𝘰𝘬 𝘣𝘢𝘤𝘬 𝘢𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘪𝘯𝘤𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘢 𝘯𝘦𝘸 𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘪𝘷𝘦. “𝘚𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘢𝘪𝘥 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦 𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘳𝘪𝘣𝘭𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘴, 𝘸𝘩𝘪𝘤𝘩 𝘐 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘬 𝘸𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘵𝘳𝘶𝘦,” 𝘩𝘦 𝘳𝘦𝘤𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘥, 𝘥𝘦𝘴𝘤𝘳𝘪𝘣𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘩𝘦 “𝘥𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘶𝘳𝘣𝘪𝘯𝘨” 𝘦𝘱𝘪𝘴𝘰𝘥𝘦 𝘢𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘴𝘵 𝘮𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘤𝘢𝘳𝘦𝘦𝘳.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/karen-mulder-model-industry-whistleblower-jeffrey-epstein-b2918369.html

coco lurks from home's avatar

I've never forgotten Karen Mulder. Back in the day, when Victoria's Secret models were all the rage and we all had our favorites, she was mine. So stunningly, classically beautiful. And I remember well what they did to her when she went public with all that had happened to her. She was made out to be absolutely violent and insane and addicted. If she ever was, it was no fucking wonder. Anyone would have been.

I've been wondering lately if her name would surface again, with all of these decades-old allegations against exactly the sorts of people she was accusing back then. It would be nice to see her get some vindication, finally.

ManchuCandidate's avatar

Obviously, some folks never met a narcissist up close and personal. Cokehead Narcissist put on a facade of being a charming, caring, loving person and I was lonely enough to reach for it. By the time I realized what an unholy fucking mess I was in, it wasn't easy to bail out.

Eureka's avatar

Our wants and needs make us reach for the stars! They also make us vulnerable. We should probably teach this to our young people more clearly.

Zyxomma's avatar

Ta, Gary. Let me remind everyone that Miami Herald did stellar reporting on Epstein-Trump, back when it SHOULD have counted for something, like keeping That Thing in the Offal Office from becoming POTUS. What broke up the Epstein-Trump friendship was the deflowering of a 13 year old virgin. Epstein was keeping her for himself, and Trump fucked her. Friendship over. Recently at a dinner with someone who used to work in news, he said Trump told Epstein, "I did it because you're a Jew." I don't know whether that's true, but the rest of it is totally true.

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Raped her.

I read the coverage Julie Brown did in Miami back then. But they both raped her according to her legal filings. She said Trump was enraged Epstein raped her first, when the "deal" they had was that Trump would get to rape her as a virgin. She was tied down, crying. Trump also threatened her life, her family's lives and punched her in the face. A child.

Enter Ranting's avatar

Yeah, but Biden was old, and also, egg prices…

Thesaurus Wrecks's avatar

Buffalo Bill is woke? Very cool!

It’s F*cking Wrong’: Hollywood Star Apologizes to Transgender People for Playing ‘F*cked Up’ Crossdressing Serial Killer in ‘Silence of the Lambs’

https://www.mediaite.com/media/entertainment/its-fcking-wrong-hollywood-star-apologizes-to-transgender-people-for-playing-fcked-up-crossdressing-serial-killer-in-silence-of-the-lambs/

Shallow state's avatar

I have been simply livid since Saturday when someone non-commented in the Happy Hour thread a media report that introduced its subject as "... disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein ... " I vented a bit on one thing that is so deeply bad-faith about that framing in the thread - it's equivalent to introducing Jeffrey Dahmer as a "disgraced choclatier" - but it has continued churning in me since then. Among other things, it subtly confers a kind of legitimacy on Epstein and his coterie, that would never be granted, for instance, to a poor, immigrant, unconnected, pedophile-rapist (if there were such a monster) and those who protected and covered for him.

But there is another essential side of this euphemistic, gaslighting wordsmithing: "disgraced financier". It is a sort of implicit "surprised face" that someone in the "respectable" financier space has been disgraced: essentially,

"we are shocked, shocked I tell you, that someone in this trusted profession [whose almost entire motivation is to amass obscene personal wealth and influence primarily by trading on the obscene wealth and influence of others, unambiguously making the world a worse place for, and exploiting the vast majority of humanity] turned out to be acting in a way that some find distasteful."

As though,

"but for the bad apple Epstein, owning islands and yachts and jets, and trading in influence, and evading taxes, and fraud, and bribery, and corruption, and exploiting two tier justice, and privatizing profits and socializing losses, and destroying the planet, and amassing obscene personal wealth establishes financiers as moral exemplars".

Jeffrey Epstein was how "smart" people exercised what they considered their rights. Being a financier was not coincidental; it was absolutely integral to how Epstein's empire of harm and abuse was assembled and operated.

Writing this hasn't helped much. I am still livid.

Reader's avatar

Plus disgraced is a very passive word, unaccountable, really. Almost like it happened to him. Instead of disgraceful, for instance.