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Doktor Zoom's avatar

I swear upon my sainted mother's consecrated grave that I read the veterinarian's name as "Republican Wisconsin state Rep. Joel Kittens"

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My wife and I lost what would have been our first-born son when she miscarried at what we decided was 20 weeks. Could have been a couple weeks one way or the other, that's how imprecise this sort of thing was.

Irregardless (intentional), the baby was born before developing lungs.

No, he wasn't "alive." That wasn't possible.

It was terrible and I'll never be fully OK though it's been nearly 30 years; but a being that can't live without an umbilical cord, in a fluid-filled womb, is not a fully alive being.

Life can be awful like that. It's not a matter for joking; much less for jokers like these.

And, I'd add; that's when "Pro-Choice" became intensely personal for me. It has to be the woman's choice, or none of it's any damn good at all.

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