Once again, they vote in line with the rest of the public. Slightly more libertarian support with a corresponding drop in GOPer support, usually a percentage point or two.
Stereotypes are so easy to hang on to though.
Indiana is a red state. The people in Gary got what they voted for. Until they stop voting for republicans I'm not going to feel sorry for them. If that's unfair, of course it is. It's why broad brushing like that is almost always offensive and bad.
My guess is the largely African American majority in Gary doesn’t vote Republican which is why I wouldn’t make the same comment about them. Every military guy I’ve ever met voted for Trump. But I am interested in seeing actual numbers on it.
So broad brush statements don’t work? I doubt any of the military or former military people here voted for trump.
The breakdown of which demographic voted for who is published in multiple places every cycle. Age, race, gender, religion, education level, sexuality, state, county, net worth, ubran/rural/suburban, employment, just about any way you want the data complied. That’s how we know how non college educated white men vote, or that 50% of Latino men voted for trump for example.
“About six-in-ten registered voters who say they have served in the U.S. military or military reserves (61%) support former President Donald Trump in the 2024 presidential election, while 37% back Vice President Kamala Harris, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted in early September.”
Seems more than just “voting in line with the general public”
I’m sure there are farmers and ranchers that also voted Democrat but for the most part they supported Trump vociferously and are the reason we are where we are. So yeah, if a bloc votes 61/37 for fascism I’m gonna broad brush them for now.
Also Lake County in Indiana which is where Gary is, voted 51% Harris. Not 59 percent Trump. And I bet the district the blackout was in was way higher. But those results probably don’t count either even though they came directly from the results. Guess that’s why you didn’t include it.
According to exit polling from The Washington Post, 12% of voters served in the U.S. military. Of those, 65% say they voted for, Trump while 34% said they cast a ballot for Vice President Kamala Harris.
I doubt that the specific African Americans that have been affected the most in Gary voted for Trump at a 60 percent clip. Again, I dont fucking care if it’s fair. I’m not going to listen to military personnel, police, farmers, ranchers or CEOs who have consistently, overwhelmingly and loudly support MAGA complain and feel sorry for them. You said military voted in line with the average voter and I showed you it isn’t true. But you dismiss that because it doesn’t serve your purpose. It’s 15 points higher than that. My opinion is they get the broad brush for now. And I’m entitled to it.
All I have to say to these poor, tortured souls is that they should be in Gary, Indiana, and if they're not, I'm laying the blame square at their feet.
You don't actually know how any of that works do you? Nor do you really care that the NG was already called out there. They can't really fix the broken power grid though.
No one outside local or regional, at most, media picked up what was happening until 11 days in. 11 days. It's not the NG's fault. They've been there since they were activated, reported, and rolled out from the various armories
I've become that person. That calloused bitch that no longer can read about other people's stupefying lack of consciousness. I cannot anymore read the quotes of absolute dumbfucks who couldn't figure out their surroundings if a bunch of rabid baboons were coming for their backpacks. FFS. Let Darwin's Theory take hold at this point. I fucking do not care anymore.
Mercifully, public executions cannot commence until work on the Arc de Trump is complete and Don-Don has brought in enough quicklime and fill to cover the Once It Was A Reflecting Pool pit.
Hopefully those National Guard troops know full well that their assignment is to murder American citizens protesting the Nazis stealing the 2026 elections (they are going to try - stealing voting machines, having friendly state legislatures toss vote counts, you name it), and hopefully those troops know which side to choose when it comes to those moments.
Please. The Guard is just whining because none of them were able to get off a shot while the known vandals were dragging box cutters along the bottom of the reflecting pool for 300 feet.
And they must have been plasma torch box cutters as the proven rapist Trump (upheld by the Supreme Court twice!) ensured us that his pool coating could withstand anything short of a nuclear attack by Iran.
Unpopular opinion, but if the worst thing that these Guardsmen have to do is roll out of bed and spend their days stuffing their faces with fried oysters as they wander the Smithsonian museums, I'm okay with that.
I mean, obviously I'd rather they use my tax dollars for better things, like helping the western half of the country evacuate all these forest fires. However, if the choice is between them getting educated and fat versus joining ICE as fascist oppressors, I'll take it.
Every single one of those National Guardsmen (and women) should be standing in a line before their Commanding Officer to request a redeployment to Gary, Indiana.
Well, yes, Gary, IN as well. In addition to basically anywhere else in the US that's facing huge issues. But in absence of that. As a bottom of the barrel choice.
I don't care anymore. They could go public. They could demand that they be redeployed to Gary, Indiana. They could resign or refuse to serve and take all the consequences that comes with that.
While they are standing around in Washington, DC scratching their asses, they are doing the will of fascists.
They need to stop doing the will of fascists before I give a shit about them.
I'm not rah rah support the troops or anything. I taught for over twenty years at a community college and a lot of my students were these kids, just fucking trying to claw their way into the middle class. Their prospects are kinda limited.
Making the lawsuit tantrum extra crazy, that report actually did find that cities with National Guard presence saw property crimes decline, even though it didn't affect violent crime. Trump doesn't do nuance.
We were in DC in February visiting my son's family. There were National Guardsmen patrolling the rather high end Navy Pier area and all over the Metro stations.Just standing around talking to each other.
Until they stop voting Republicans I’m not going to feel sorry for them
Once again, they vote in line with the rest of the public. Slightly more libertarian support with a corresponding drop in GOPer support, usually a percentage point or two.
Stereotypes are so easy to hang on to though.
Indiana is a red state. The people in Gary got what they voted for. Until they stop voting for republicans I'm not going to feel sorry for them. If that's unfair, of course it is. It's why broad brushing like that is almost always offensive and bad.
My guess is the largely African American majority in Gary doesn’t vote Republican which is why I wouldn’t make the same comment about them. Every military guy I’ve ever met voted for Trump. But I am interested in seeing actual numbers on it.
So broad brush statements don’t work? I doubt any of the military or former military people here voted for trump.
The breakdown of which demographic voted for who is published in multiple places every cycle. Age, race, gender, religion, education level, sexuality, state, county, net worth, ubran/rural/suburban, employment, just about any way you want the data complied. That’s how we know how non college educated white men vote, or that 50% of Latino men voted for trump for example.
Here’s Pew research
“About six-in-ten registered voters who say they have served in the U.S. military or military reserves (61%) support former President Donald Trump in the 2024 presidential election, while 37% back Vice President Kamala Harris, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted in early September.”
Seems more than just “voting in line with the general public”
I’m sure there are farmers and ranchers that also voted Democrat but for the most part they supported Trump vociferously and are the reason we are where we are. So yeah, if a bloc votes 61/37 for fascism I’m gonna broad brush them for now.
Poll taken in September, of self claimed veterans, with no breakdown of what, if any percentage is currently serving.
Which is why I didn’t post that one.
Indiana voted for trump 58/39. Gary is in Indiana. 59% of Gary voted for the response they got.
Broad brushing with flawed data is fun.
Also Lake County in Indiana which is where Gary is, voted 51% Harris. Not 59 percent Trump. And I bet the district the blackout was in was way higher. But those results probably don’t count either even though they came directly from the results. Guess that’s why you didn’t include it.
Another poll from 2024
According to exit polling from The Washington Post, 12% of voters served in the U.S. military. Of those, 65% say they voted for, Trump while 34% said they cast a ballot for Vice President Kamala Harris.
I doubt that the specific African Americans that have been affected the most in Gary voted for Trump at a 60 percent clip. Again, I dont fucking care if it’s fair. I’m not going to listen to military personnel, police, farmers, ranchers or CEOs who have consistently, overwhelmingly and loudly support MAGA complain and feel sorry for them. You said military voted in line with the average voter and I showed you it isn’t true. But you dismiss that because it doesn’t serve your purpose. It’s 15 points higher than that. My opinion is they get the broad brush for now. And I’m entitled to it.
Boo fucking hoo.
All I have to say to these poor, tortured souls is that they should be in Gary, Indiana, and if they're not, I'm laying the blame square at their feet.
Gary is predominantly black.
You don't actually know how any of that works do you? Nor do you really care that the NG was already called out there. They can't really fix the broken power grid though.
I just figured they could bring in generators, set up sites with electricity where people could get help, haul in ice and food supplies.
They already are. They have been.
No one outside local or regional, at most, media picked up what was happening until 11 days in. 11 days. It's not the NG's fault. They've been there since they were activated, reported, and rolled out from the various armories
“financial and reputational harm..”
Oh good. Do like the BBC and ask for his taxes and finances to see what fiscal harm occurred. That’ll shut him up.
I've become that person. That calloused bitch that no longer can read about other people's stupefying lack of consciousness. I cannot anymore read the quotes of absolute dumbfucks who couldn't figure out their surroundings if a bunch of rabid baboons were coming for their backpacks. FFS. Let Darwin's Theory take hold at this point. I fucking do not care anymore.
100%. Never thought I'd be in that place, I'm right there with you.
Helter Swelter?
Mercifully, public executions cannot commence until work on the Arc de Trump is complete and Don-Don has brought in enough quicklime and fill to cover the Once It Was A Reflecting Pool pit.
Hopefully those National Guard troops know full well that their assignment is to murder American citizens protesting the Nazis stealing the 2026 elections (they are going to try - stealing voting machines, having friendly state legislatures toss vote counts, you name it), and hopefully those troops know which side to choose when it comes to those moments.
It is cruel and pointless to make the Guardsmen wear combat fatigues in DC's sub-tropical climate.
Please. The Guard is just whining because none of them were able to get off a shot while the known vandals were dragging box cutters along the bottom of the reflecting pool for 300 feet.
And they must have been plasma torch box cutters as the proven rapist Trump (upheld by the Supreme Court twice!) ensured us that his pool coating could withstand anything short of a nuclear attack by Iran.
Unpopular opinion, but if the worst thing that these Guardsmen have to do is roll out of bed and spend their days stuffing their faces with fried oysters as they wander the Smithsonian museums, I'm okay with that.
I mean, obviously I'd rather they use my tax dollars for better things, like helping the western half of the country evacuate all these forest fires. However, if the choice is between them getting educated and fat versus joining ICE as fascist oppressors, I'll take it.
Every single one of those National Guardsmen (and women) should be standing in a line before their Commanding Officer to request a redeployment to Gary, Indiana.
On the record.
Well, yes, Gary, IN as well. In addition to basically anywhere else in the US that's facing huge issues. But in absence of that. As a bottom of the barrel choice.
If he calls on these troops to make him king, they seem more likely to hang him from the nearest lamp standard.
Remember when they were referring to themselves as the “National Gardeners”?
I may be wrong, but I don't think folks will blame the troops for Trump's nonsense. The ones I've seen in DC genuinely seem embarrassed to be there.
I don't care anymore. They could go public. They could demand that they be redeployed to Gary, Indiana. They could resign or refuse to serve and take all the consequences that comes with that.
While they are standing around in Washington, DC scratching their asses, they are doing the will of fascists.
They need to stop doing the will of fascists before I give a shit about them.
I'm not rah rah support the troops or anything. I taught for over twenty years at a community college and a lot of my students were these kids, just fucking trying to claw their way into the middle class. Their prospects are kinda limited.
Making the lawsuit tantrum extra crazy, that report actually did find that cities with National Guard presence saw property crimes decline, even though it didn't affect violent crime. Trump doesn't do nuance.
what a effing waste...the only thing to be sure of with trump is if he as a power he's gonna abuse it
We were in DC in February visiting my son's family. There were National Guardsmen patrolling the rather high end Navy Pier area and all over the Metro stations.Just standing around talking to each other.