This is an actual thing you can buy from Cabot. I like hunting and blowing up cans in the woods, and I live in a place where once a year or so you have to put down a deer or feral kitty just out of compassion. It doesn't then follow that I want people to die because of shitty laws. Most gun owners think the NRA are a bunch of insane whiny fuckbags and the vast, VAST majority of us support things like
The AR platform is very customizable, for accuracy, it positively dominates the firing line in rifle competition out to 600 yards, and the lighter cartridge and gas operation absorbs a lot of recoil, making it very manageable when you find a pack of coyotes threatening your livestock.
And if you have an FFL, you have opened yourself to a deep federal background check, and federal record keeping requirements. FFL probably mitigates the threat. I cannot think of any mass shooter who held a federal license.
So many articles and commenters mention the "ARs." Pfft. A children's toy. The Russian-designed AK-47 is also legal, and it's cheap, powerful and durable. Our soldiers early in Viet Nam often preferred to use it, rather than the unreliable M-16 (automatic AR-15), and a good day was picking one up off the dead "enemy."
Someone(s) used it in east Pittsburgh, about the time tRump started his mad campaign for the preznitzy. Herded people at a cookout in a tight fenced yard, and literally filled them full of holes. Most rounds were fired from an AK-47, and the rounds are so powerful that there were many more holes in bodies than rounds fired.
Eeyup. Weapons that civilians should have the right to bear, especially in back alleyways.
Virtue signaling? How about you need to wake up. This entire article is why we have the problem we have. I think guns are fun so I should be allowed to have them. It's the bad guys that shouldn't be allowed. Boohoo, I want to keep my guns. Background checks only turn up criminals but most people with guns aren't criminals until they use the guns. People aren't mentally ill until they go crazy and start shooting. Not a single thing will ever be accomplished until gun nuts are willing to give up their fetish. So yeah, get a new fucking hobby that doesn't involve gun boners so the rest of us can actually go out in public without worrying about some idiot with a gun. Until then, stop whining that there's are problem that you're not willing to contribute to solving because of some juvenile fascination with things that go boom. The entire article is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read on wonkette.
Dude, you're falling into the same trap as the right wingers. There are two main myths that the NRA pushes: 1) millions of people use guns for self defense every year and 2) guns are effective for self defense.
The millions of self defense cases comes mostly from 1996 and 1999 Harvard phone surveys. There are multiple papersthat demonstrate that this is most likely a great overestimate (unsurprising given that phone surveys are not very accurate methodology) [1] [2]. And even if we assume that all the reported incidents are true, most of them were likely illegal [3].
Like I said before, the best evidence we have says gun use is ineffective for self defense. They do not appear to prevent property loss or injury [4]. And keeping a gun in the home for protection appears to be actually counterproductive (increased risk of violent homicide or suicide) [5].
I would rather flash a gun to prevent an assault or other crime than to have a physical altercation.Happens every day in the real world.
This is exactly the problem. By flashing a gun you are escalating the conflict. This is why people end up dead over silly shouting matches. Police are ostensibly trained in this stuff and they fuck up use of force all the time.
Look, maybe you've flashed your gun and were not assualted afterwards. Does that necessarily mean that your gun prevented an assualt? No. The situation may have diffused itself given time. Using a bat or kitchen knife may have been as effective as a gun. This is why we need scientific evidence, not anecdotes. Control groups allow us to compare these scenarios and what we find is that guns don't work any better than any other weapon and carry additional risks.
If guns were effective, we would expect to see decreases in crime when places pass concealed/open carry laws. We don't. We would expect the US to be safer than other countries. It isn't. There is no evidence that guns make for effective self defense. This is why the NRA has to rely on anecdotes.
I get it, it's scary to think that you might not be fully in control of your destiny. It's intoxicating to imagine that you might be the hero that stops the next mass shooting. But the reality is different and you're part of the problem, not the solution.
Read what the OP said, then read what I said, finally read what Stuart said. I was just pointing out that the three day waiting period was stupid and he probably ought to be concerned with what actually contributes to the violence and not a fanboy loophole allowing zero threat individuals to buy guns as they see fit.
If you want to pay for 100x as many people to do all the checks etc.... FFL is for people engaged in firearms related businesses and for MAJOR collectors, your previous comment that many enthusiasts set up FFL is far from true.
Not where I live, I think you are conflating your own experience with firearms limitations with how it really is in the "Free" states where the constitution means something. https://rocketffl.com/get-f...
Chris, I'm not sure I get what you are writing... You seem to be coming from every side of this issue,
You talk about ""Free"states where the Constitution means something", then advocate something as intrusive as having to get an FFL, with all the intrusive record keeping and federal access, which the nutcase "Free" types abhor.
You say that FFL's are prevalent, yet your link shows barely 56,000 in the entire USA. Considering that Walmart alone accounts for about 10% of those, and then add in all the other bigbox chains and sporting goods stores that have a gun department, a few thousand gunsmiths scattered around, there are clearly not large numbers of gun owners getting FFL's.
That's a good deal.
The AR platform is very customizable, for accuracy, it positively dominates the firing line in rifle competition out to 600 yards, and the lighter cartridge and gas operation absorbs a lot of recoil, making it very manageable when you find a pack of coyotes threatening your livestock.
And if you have an FFL, you have opened yourself to a deep federal background check, and federal record keeping requirements. FFL probably mitigates the threat. I cannot think of any mass shooter who held a federal license.
me, reading comments about living "in the boonies": That's still pretty crazy, why would you -
me, seeing the word "rabid": Oh fuck. Okay.
When you live in Australia, not only are you accustomed to gun control, you also tend to forget that rabies is a thing. A terrifying thing.
So many articles and commenters mention the "ARs." Pfft. A children's toy. The Russian-designed AK-47 is also legal, and it's cheap, powerful and durable. Our soldiers early in Viet Nam often preferred to use it, rather than the unreliable M-16 (automatic AR-15), and a good day was picking one up off the dead "enemy."
Someone(s) used it in east Pittsburgh, about the time tRump started his mad campaign for the preznitzy. Herded people at a cookout in a tight fenced yard, and literally filled them full of holes. Most rounds were fired from an AK-47, and the rounds are so powerful that there were many more holes in bodies than rounds fired.
Eeyup. Weapons that civilians should have the right to bear, especially in back alleyways.
http://www.post-gazette.com...
(Oh, by the way, good morning.)
Virtue signaling? How about you need to wake up. This entire article is why we have the problem we have. I think guns are fun so I should be allowed to have them. It's the bad guys that shouldn't be allowed. Boohoo, I want to keep my guns. Background checks only turn up criminals but most people with guns aren't criminals until they use the guns. People aren't mentally ill until they go crazy and start shooting. Not a single thing will ever be accomplished until gun nuts are willing to give up their fetish. So yeah, get a new fucking hobby that doesn't involve gun boners so the rest of us can actually go out in public without worrying about some idiot with a gun. Until then, stop whining that there's are problem that you're not willing to contribute to solving because of some juvenile fascination with things that go boom. The entire article is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read on wonkette.
Dude, you're falling into the same trap as the right wingers. There are two main myths that the NRA pushes: 1) millions of people use guns for self defense every year and 2) guns are effective for self defense.
The millions of self defense cases comes mostly from 1996 and 1999 Harvard phone surveys. There are multiple papersthat demonstrate that this is most likely a great overestimate (unsurprising given that phone surveys are not very accurate methodology) [1] [2]. And even if we assume that all the reported incidents are true, most of them were likely illegal [3].
Like I said before, the best evidence we have says gun use is ineffective for self defense. They do not appear to prevent property loss or injury [4]. And keeping a gun in the home for protection appears to be actually counterproductive (increased risk of violent homicide or suicide) [5].
I would rather flash a gun to prevent an assault or other crime than to have a physical altercation.Happens every day in the real world.
This is exactly the problem. By flashing a gun you are escalating the conflict. This is why people end up dead over silly shouting matches. Police are ostensibly trained in this stuff and they fuck up use of force all the time.
Look, maybe you've flashed your gun and were not assualted afterwards. Does that necessarily mean that your gun prevented an assualt? No. The situation may have diffused itself given time. Using a bat or kitchen knife may have been as effective as a gun. This is why we need scientific evidence, not anecdotes. Control groups allow us to compare these scenarios and what we find is that guns don't work any better than any other weapon and carry additional risks.
If guns were effective, we would expect to see decreases in crime when places pass concealed/open carry laws. We don't. We would expect the US to be safer than other countries. It isn't. There is no evidence that guns make for effective self defense. This is why the NRA has to rely on anecdotes.
I get it, it's scary to think that you might not be fully in control of your destiny. It's intoxicating to imagine that you might be the hero that stops the next mass shooting. But the reality is different and you're part of the problem, not the solution.
[1] (PDF) http://home.uchicago.edu/lu...[2] (PDF) http://www.stat.columbia.ed...[3] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.go...[4] http://www.sciencedirect.co...[5] https://academic.oup.com/aj...
"I like hunting..."
That makes you a fucking moron, a right wing gun fucking recreational killer.
Read what the OP said, then read what I said, finally read what Stuart said. I was just pointing out that the three day waiting period was stupid and he probably ought to be concerned with what actually contributes to the violence and not a fanboy loophole allowing zero threat individuals to buy guns as they see fit.
Kind of like gun owners ought to be required to get FFL's.
If you want to pay for 100x as many people to do all the checks etc.... FFL is for people engaged in firearms related businesses and for MAJOR collectors, your previous comment that many enthusiasts set up FFL is far from true.
Yup.
BS. My wife was a cop, and she is a great shot. Had to qualify with other LEOs, and I'm sure they also had to pass to keep their jobs.
Fuck.
Not where I live, I think you are conflating your own experience with firearms limitations with how it really is in the "Free" states where the constitution means something. https://rocketffl.com/get-f...
Chris, I'm not sure I get what you are writing... You seem to be coming from every side of this issue,
You talk about ""Free"states where the Constitution means something", then advocate something as intrusive as having to get an FFL, with all the intrusive record keeping and federal access, which the nutcase "Free" types abhor.
You say that FFL's are prevalent, yet your link shows barely 56,000 in the entire USA. Considering that Walmart alone accounts for about 10% of those, and then add in all the other bigbox chains and sporting goods stores that have a gun department, a few thousand gunsmiths scattered around, there are clearly not large numbers of gun owners getting FFL's.