Moochin’ Mnuchin should tell us about it again when he’s not lifting literal sheets of bills and trying to impress his new goyische bride by flying her in a multi-million-dollar military plane to Fort Knox .. while also casing the place to see how much he can steal like he thinks we can’t see what he’s doing.
HHS? Who, pray tell, is running that agency at this time? I could look it up, but why bother? It's just another Trump flunkie who makes Brownie look like the world's foremost authority on all natural disasters.
i've been following the "progress" of the pandemic in Illinois and Wisconsin. The official death rate in both states is ~5%. Both started out around 2%, the Official Trump number.
True that. But that means that death by "other causes" are dramatically increasing. Come September, Trump will be facing "official" statistics that death by pneumonia, heart attacks, strokes, diabetes and a few others will have increased several-fold since last year. The 80% or so of Americans who are not comfortable with opening up again are probably smart enough to understand what these numbers would mean, and also see it as dishonesty as well as many unnecessary deaths.
Some unknown number of folks are dying because, when they have symptoms such as a heart attack they hesitate to call for help, because they don't want to go to the local hellhole of a hospital. I consider these to be victims of the coronavirus also.
Remember one thing: “flattening the curve” means “postponing death” so the system is not overwhelmed.
You don’t need calculus to see that the areas under both curves (cumulative death total) are the same. Admittedly, the “graphs” to illustrate flattening are illustrative only, and unquantified.
But since 'postponing death' means 'postponing illness' as well, you can't discount the probability that in say six month's time we will know more about the virus and can likely treat it more successfully.And isn't postponing death a goal of medicine, generally speaking? Who knows? Orange body paint might be just the thing, if indeed the virus is in mortal fear of vitamin C. Too bad one individual has cornered the world's supply of orange body paint.
But that is of those who feel sick enough to want a test, succeed in getting one, and get a positive result. In other words, the sickest of the sick.Miami reports (time for a grain of salt) that 60% of its denizens at large test positive for antibodies. And there is a German study which seems to show much the same thing, though with a lower result. Even then the researcher worked out a 0.27% death rate.None of which causes me to think that a strong response- which we have not yet achieved- is other than proper. This nation would not tolerate the sight of tens of thousands of its citizens dying in hospital parking lots.
Soon enough we're going to see how the real numbers stack up, in the reopening vs. not reopening states. As a non-epidemiologist physician, I'd say Gov. Brian Kemp is going to go down as the worst thing to happen to Georgia since General Sherman.
I initially went down the same wtf? route. Further on the the document is an explanation that wider asymptomatic infection = previously unidentified population with previous exposure. This would lead to herd resistance earlier than currently expected. They took great care to explain that this would still suck in terms of public health.
Note that Italy had to triage ventilators and NYC has issued a DNR order for ambulances responding to no vitals calls. So the deaths are NOT the same, and as George points out, later "deaths" are better because we're always learning and improving medicine and eventually most of them won't be deaths.
I know it's not the point of the article, but damn, photos of mass graves in New York is just... eerie. Creepy. Something out of a zombie movie. I mean, intellectually, I know that thousands of dead have to go SOMEWHERE. But there's this part of my brain saying that mass graves happen... other places. Not rational, obviously.
Why should this be any less confused and confusing than anything else that our beloved (choking sound) supreme leader and chief scientist has commented on?
Which means that the estimate is too low, as higher infection rates will result in overwhelming the healthcare system, both directly and by infecting healthcare workers, further degrading treatment in a vicious cycle. People who would have lived if the curve were flattened will die because there are no beds, ventilators, oxygen, medicine, or people to care for the ill. Dropping social distancing now is like pumping oxygen into a fire.
This Stanford and Yale-educated U.S. Senator actually tried it (unlike Moochin Mnuchin who just talks about it) and IIRC he couldn't manage it.
https://www.huffpost.com/en...https://www.washingtonpost....
Moochin’ Mnuchin should tell us about it again when he’s not lifting literal sheets of bills and trying to impress his new goyische bride by flying her in a multi-million-dollar military plane to Fort Knox .. while also casing the place to see how much he can steal like he thinks we can’t see what he’s doing.
HHS? Who, pray tell, is running that agency at this time? I could look it up, but why bother? It's just another Trump flunkie who makes Brownie look like the world's foremost authority on all natural disasters.
i've been following the "progress" of the pandemic in Illinois and Wisconsin. The official death rate in both states is ~5%. Both started out around 2%, the Official Trump number.
True that. But that means that death by "other causes" are dramatically increasing. Come September, Trump will be facing "official" statistics that death by pneumonia, heart attacks, strokes, diabetes and a few others will have increased several-fold since last year. The 80% or so of Americans who are not comfortable with opening up again are probably smart enough to understand what these numbers would mean, and also see it as dishonesty as well as many unnecessary deaths.
Some unknown number of folks are dying because, when they have symptoms such as a heart attack they hesitate to call for help, because they don't want to go to the local hellhole of a hospital. I consider these to be victims of the coronavirus also.
I figure I'm inside also, too until there's a different administration in the White House. Fortunately, my state has mail-in balloting.
Remember one thing: “flattening the curve” means “postponing death” so the system is not overwhelmed.
You don’t need calculus to see that the areas under both curves (cumulative death total) are the same. Admittedly, the “graphs” to illustrate flattening are illustrative only, and unquantified.
Could he have been watching Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea last night on teevee and saw an image of the Flying Sub?
https://www.youtube.com/wat...
But since 'postponing death' means 'postponing illness' as well, you can't discount the probability that in say six month's time we will know more about the virus and can likely treat it more successfully.And isn't postponing death a goal of medicine, generally speaking? Who knows? Orange body paint might be just the thing, if indeed the virus is in mortal fear of vitamin C. Too bad one individual has cornered the world's supply of orange body paint.
But that is of those who feel sick enough to want a test, succeed in getting one, and get a positive result. In other words, the sickest of the sick.Miami reports (time for a grain of salt) that 60% of its denizens at large test positive for antibodies. And there is a German study which seems to show much the same thing, though with a lower result. Even then the researcher worked out a 0.27% death rate.None of which causes me to think that a strong response- which we have not yet achieved- is other than proper. This nation would not tolerate the sight of tens of thousands of its citizens dying in hospital parking lots.
Soon enough we're going to see how the real numbers stack up, in the reopening vs. not reopening states. As a non-epidemiologist physician, I'd say Gov. Brian Kemp is going to go down as the worst thing to happen to Georgia since General Sherman.
I initially went down the same wtf? route. Further on the the document is an explanation that wider asymptomatic infection = previously unidentified population with previous exposure. This would lead to herd resistance earlier than currently expected. They took great care to explain that this would still suck in terms of public health.
Note that Italy had to triage ventilators and NYC has issued a DNR order for ambulances responding to no vitals calls. So the deaths are NOT the same, and as George points out, later "deaths" are better because we're always learning and improving medicine and eventually most of them won't be deaths.
I know it's not the point of the article, but damn, photos of mass graves in New York is just... eerie. Creepy. Something out of a zombie movie. I mean, intellectually, I know that thousands of dead have to go SOMEWHERE. But there's this part of my brain saying that mass graves happen... other places. Not rational, obviously.
What, Sherman stopped their treasoning!
Why should this be any less confused and confusing than anything else that our beloved (choking sound) supreme leader and chief scientist has commented on?
Which means that the estimate is too low, as higher infection rates will result in overwhelming the healthcare system, both directly and by infecting healthcare workers, further degrading treatment in a vicious cycle. People who would have lived if the curve were flattened will die because there are no beds, ventilators, oxygen, medicine, or people to care for the ill. Dropping social distancing now is like pumping oxygen into a fire.