One of the most appealing aspects -- particularly for the young folks -- of Bernie Sanders's campaign was the fact that he wanted to make public college tuition-free, and also to allow those who have graduated to refinance their student loans. This is a really, really, really good idea. Not just because college is expensive as hell, but also because it's for the greater good of the country as a whole. Not only will we have more qualified workers, but more people will be able to make a living wage and thus pay more in taxes and contribute more to our economy. It will also give hope to lots and lots of kids who may not feel like college is an option for them without going into debt the rest of their lives, which is good and important and necessary! Can't keep saying we live in the land of opportunity if the only people who get opportunities are those whose parents can afford them!
Clinton's plan is better than Bernie's plan because it is an actual plan that could be enacted and paid for and not a platitude that needs to have all the details filled in.
ok, sure, to be real about it, Einstein, with his theory of relativity kind of proved that no two people live in the same world, experientially speaking, so a whole world peopled with opposite point of viewers telling me I'm all wrong doesn't make them right, it's scientific fact, which goes to show that only Albert and I know what we're talking about, for the rest of the world it's a guessing game
one of the main things that made me vote for HRC were the differences in their higher ed plans. while his appeared to be a school voucher program (because it did nothing to address the highest costs of college or expand the number of available openings in the cohorts) while hers was going for debt-free: tuition free community college; expanding Pell Grants to cover room, board and books; addressing the needs of non-traditional students like free transportation and available child care on campus; etc. if anything, I hope she goes back to the old plan or trims down this one to accommodate some of the other items on the previous plan.
Well, maybe they could if we had a history of dealing fairly with developing countries, so we could ask them to actually implement progressive economic and trade policies that would make their labor pool both better and more competitive with our own workers, cost-wise. Unfortunately the history of "free-trade" agreements and the older trade governing mechanisms (before you even get into the IMF and WB) is one of developed, wealthy countries consistently abusing developing countries in ridiculously lopsided arrangements. Even if US and other western countries came up with a new economic schema that balanced the labor pool and eliminated the human rights abuses being committed to save money in manufacturing overseas, why would developing countries be interested in something that doesn't clearly serve their short term economic interest? Their trust in us, their oh-so-benevolent "First World" buddies?
Yes, I may have overthought saying "right on, I agree!" in this comment :P
I only have one field of expertise I can comment on and that is manufacturing. I can tell you what you envision isn't true. I have been to China and they are not all robotics factories. And manufacturing can be a very high tech thing. I don't know how many "factories" you have been in, but I can tell you even the most automated have lots of job positions for humans. Sure people need a different level of training but the most productive jobs are those where value is added to raw materials and products people buy. People don't want to buy services, they want things. Houses, cars, stereo, etc. not using their Uber app. Or running software. But they do want a high performance computer. It keeps coming back to educated people looking down on hands on jobs and saying no one wants to do that, we a;l want to be software developers. Right, how many people can do that? We had better start thinking of ways to enhance the employment level at the middle or we can sit and drink our hipster drinks and shake our liberal heads and say, Isn't it terrible so many have to work at WalMart....
In fact you comment that typewriter repair techs blah blah is indicative of an elitist look at employment. Surely you don't want you kid to wear a shirt with his name on it working in a factory. (One of my constituents said that to me, and I asked, What is wrong with that?)
Absolutely, you're 100% right. We need to bring back things like auto shop and wood shop and even home ec (which were real classes that taught kids real-life skills and gave the kids who weren't so good at school something to feel proud of).
We need business math and consumer math rather than forcing kids to beat their heads against the wall trying to understand advanced algebra, and then having 40% of them drop out because they can't pass ridiculous exit exams.
We need to give kids the option to learn welding, plumbing, cooking, mechanics, building, farming in the rural areas, electrician work, appliance repair, training as medical aides, everything you can think of, all the things that actually have jobs going begging--and which are necessary parts of our society-- because there aren't enough qualified people.
It's horrendous, bordering on child abuse, to force kids who don't have that kind of brain or skill, into college prep. It's almost sinful not to offer them an education they can use. And it's economically suicidal not to train our kids for jobs we need as a country and which can give them a decent middle class life.
Clinton's plan is better than Bernie's plan because it is an actual plan that could be enacted and paid for and not a platitude that needs to have all the details filled in.
ok, sure, to be real about it, Einstein, with his theory of relativity kind of proved that no two people live in the same world, experientially speaking, so a whole world peopled with opposite point of viewers telling me I'm all wrong doesn't make them right, it's scientific fact, which goes to show that only Albert and I know what we're talking about, for the rest of the world it's a guessing game
Fair enough
Looks like you were completely wrong. See also: I was completely right.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016...
one of the main things that made me vote for HRC were the differences in their higher ed plans. while his appeared to be a school voucher program (because it did nothing to address the highest costs of college or expand the number of available openings in the cohorts) while hers was going for debt-free: tuition free community college; expanding Pell Grants to cover room, board and books; addressing the needs of non-traditional students like free transportation and available child care on campus; etc. if anything, I hope she goes back to the old plan or trims down this one to accommodate some of the other items on the previous plan.
SUCKERS! See you on the flip side. I don't believe Hillary for a New York second.
And life isn't all about making money.
Well, maybe they could if we had a history of dealing fairly with developing countries, so we could ask them to actually implement progressive economic and trade policies that would make their labor pool both better and more competitive with our own workers, cost-wise. Unfortunately the history of "free-trade" agreements and the older trade governing mechanisms (before you even get into the IMF and WB) is one of developed, wealthy countries consistently abusing developing countries in ridiculously lopsided arrangements. Even if US and other western countries came up with a new economic schema that balanced the labor pool and eliminated the human rights abuses being committed to save money in manufacturing overseas, why would developing countries be interested in something that doesn't clearly serve their short term economic interest? Their trust in us, their oh-so-benevolent "First World" buddies?
Yes, I may have overthought saying "right on, I agree!" in this comment :P
I only have one field of expertise I can comment on and that is manufacturing. I can tell you what you envision isn't true. I have been to China and they are not all robotics factories. And manufacturing can be a very high tech thing. I don't know how many "factories" you have been in, but I can tell you even the most automated have lots of job positions for humans. Sure people need a different level of training but the most productive jobs are those where value is added to raw materials and products people buy. People don't want to buy services, they want things. Houses, cars, stereo, etc. not using their Uber app. Or running software. But they do want a high performance computer. It keeps coming back to educated people looking down on hands on jobs and saying no one wants to do that, we a;l want to be software developers. Right, how many people can do that? We had better start thinking of ways to enhance the employment level at the middle or we can sit and drink our hipster drinks and shake our liberal heads and say, Isn't it terrible so many have to work at WalMart....
In fact you comment that typewriter repair techs blah blah is indicative of an elitist look at employment. Surely you don't want you kid to wear a shirt with his name on it working in a factory. (One of my constituents said that to me, and I asked, What is wrong with that?)
Yeah, I'm pretty chuffed how it's all shaking out. Bros and bots unite!
If it was game over in April this article wouldn't be here for you to not comprehend.
Reading comprehension isn't your thing I take it.
Non sequitur much?
If he didn't have any hand this article wouldn't have been written.
Do you not know where you are?
Absolutely, you're 100% right. We need to bring back things like auto shop and wood shop and even home ec (which were real classes that taught kids real-life skills and gave the kids who weren't so good at school something to feel proud of).
We need business math and consumer math rather than forcing kids to beat their heads against the wall trying to understand advanced algebra, and then having 40% of them drop out because they can't pass ridiculous exit exams.
We need to give kids the option to learn welding, plumbing, cooking, mechanics, building, farming in the rural areas, electrician work, appliance repair, training as medical aides, everything you can think of, all the things that actually have jobs going begging--and which are necessary parts of our society-- because there aren't enough qualified people.
It's horrendous, bordering on child abuse, to force kids who don't have that kind of brain or skill, into college prep. It's almost sinful not to offer them an education they can use. And it's economically suicidal not to train our kids for jobs we need as a country and which can give them a decent middle class life.