I was going to reply to the poster that called the people coming to our southern border "refugees" but I can't find the comment now.
This is a PSA for folks. Asylum seekers are not refugees. A refugee in the official sense of it is categorized that way by the UN, they have a caseworker, a resettlement plan, a group trying to find a place for them to live. I'm not saying they have it good - a quick glance around the world will disabuse anyone of that notion - but they have *a status*.
An asylum seeker does not. They are here to flee something, assuming they pass the rather stringent credible fear/threat test we have, they are probably fleeing something horrible, and have seen some shit.
But they have no UN status, just the good graces of a country like ours, and its people. We need to do better.
Oh another troll. You guys are really so unoriginal, you know? The same dumb arguments, the same condescending tone, the same nonsense. You can’t even troll very well.
PaulinaLunatic the shameless liar strikes again. (she is the female version of George Santos inventing her past acording to the propaganda point she is making.)
It would be nice to hear real truth. Not here though, apparently. The characterization of Republicans refusing bills to finance improved border protection and “alligator moats” is a lie in the sense of full information. Read more people, not this leftist malarkey. Republicans want funding for a wall or other barriers (not alligator moats, stupid) to stop illegal immigration, not social services comforting and increasing admittance of law breakers. Can you possibly see a difference? Read more sources people!!!
The rather obvious remedies for this are amnesty and higher quotas. It solves those problems neatly and costs almost nothing. If you are aghast over "illegal immigration" then make it legal and you can stop choking on your bile. Pretty simple.
The wall is just a stupid idea. A thing that would be good for no one except Republicans and their talking points. There is a problem, and it seems to me to be one of numbers... the sheer overwhelming numbers of folks who arrive every day. Democrats are correctly trying for solutions that are thoughtful and compassionate, not knee-jerk reactionary and... just plain mean BS. But Joe is losing voters over this, so something in the Democratic rhetoric needs to change.
The proper response to an incomplete quote is the full quote with at least one source, though preferably multiple ones from various organisations. I cannot imagine why you wouldn't give that.
How's this for real truth, Craig: The people coming here seek a better, safer future for themselves and their families, as I am certain you also would if you can possibly empathize enough to imagine yourself in their situation.
Rather than seeing the nobility here, you see criminals and political gain through fear mongering. This all ends soon, so enjoy it while you can. Why is it ending soon for you? Because we're leading with the truth. We're calling it out your politics for what they are: dehumanizing apartheid racism. I'd take an immigrant neighbor over someone like you any day.
A wall? But what if Mexicans learn how to make ladders? And what social services? Like corporate welfare breaks for those that least deserve and least need them? Or do you mean like giving loans to those that least deserve and least need them and then forgiving those loans? Or do you mean social services like allowing corporations to develop publicly owned land for their quarterly profits? You're going to have to narrow it down.
“Rep. Ocasio-Cortez also pointed out that job openings are at a record high, that we need people to fill them”
The mob crossing the border has an average grade 5 education. Many are functionally illiterate. They have no marketable skills.
We have plenty of convenience store clerks. Landscapers are fighting each other for customers. No one wants to buy a cup of fruit from some guy standing on the curb.
Rep. Cortez is the perfect spokes-dolt for Mass incursions.
Trix, you could make a bundle selling "BANNED FROM WONKETTE" T-shirts to rubes who'd wear them as a point of pride. Also would boost readership, because some people appreciate when certain people are banned from polite company.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - the only congress critters worth paying attention to are the people of color, the Jews, and the occasional white woman. Show me a cis gender white man with any real leadership or courage and I'll show you..Sherrod Brown maybe? - and that'll be on a slow news day.
Yeah. Totally bigoted. This is the kind of thing the rw says about the Left... that we are anti white male. I am a member of the "lucky sperm club" and I know my faults, but also know my strengths. BTW Tim <cough cough> Scott?
Sorry, I don't follow -- the "original set" of what?
I was born in Iowa, too, when my Dad was a grad student at U of Iowa -- I have fond memories of the 6 weeks of mewling and puking I did before we all moved away.
The PAB/Loser 45 has said he would round up all the illegals, identified as Latinos, and put them in detention camps before deporting them. So, with all the Latinos being detained, who is going to build the detention camps? White college Republicans?
We all know that the GOP do not want to solve the immigration issue. They just want to bitch and drive a wedge through our country. They had house and senate at one point and STILL did nothing.
There is nothing, no issue, that the Republicans can't make catastrophically worse just by turning their attention upon it. The Death Cult rivals the Thugee, the stranglers for Kali that the British suppressed in the 19th century, in the number of their victims and lack of accountability. Even today, Governor Little Boots down in the Promised Land of Crazy, and his pet Surgeon General are not merely failing to fight the latest iteration of the Covid virus, they are actively discouraging sensible public health measures by spreading fantasies off the dark web in place of accurate information. It sometimes seems as if the leadership of the GQP has been hijacked by a dayroom-full of unmedicated schizophrenics, all valiantly battling their menacing hallucinations instead of our real problems.
My brother in law is British. I hope that it is some solace to them both that they are in no way responsible for these horrors, and they always have a safe country to go home to. If you emigrated with him, would they grant you automatic citizenship for having a Canadian spouse? Not that I want you to go, but if you could it would make good sense. The Sunshine State is going to get yet worse before it gets better.
I had status there, until covid hit, I could not travel up there to pick up my renewed permanent resident card in person. (I was technically supposed to be living there, so they make you come get your card.) Since we live here now, I let it go, but having had one, I could get one again. And thank you, you are kind.
I discovered my 7x Great-Grandfather was convicted of Heresy in the Old Bailey in London and forcibly transported to the Colony of Virginia in 1728. He was 18 years old when he was kicked out of England, he would be sentenced to 'burning' if he ever returned. He didn't come to North America willingly and probably faced discrimination from the earlier English immigrants.
The behavior of Republicans towards migrants and refugees is beyond abhorrent. Americans of European descent have absolutely no right to tell people who are Indigenous South Americans that they cannot travel freely on the continents that their ancestors have called home for over 20,000 years.
Legal immigration into the US is broken. It is impossible for people already struggling to survive to even begin the process.
Republican xenophobia is a betrayal of their "Christian" beliefs and American values.
She claims to be raised by her single mother, with no family contact which puzzled the cousins and aunts, she grew up with, who showed many family gathering photos. She is another Santos liar/drama queen. And a gun lover.
"The Post story questioned important parts of Luna’s narrative. For example, reporters quoted members of Luna’s extended family who rebutted her claim that she had limited family support. They said Luna was often invited to family gatherings, and at times cared for by relatives who lived nearby."
A 2020 Tampa Bay Times profile of Luna described how she changed her last name from Mayerhofer to Luna the same year she first filed to run for Congress. It reported how Luna claimed that she was “White, not of Hispanic Origin” when she registered to vote in Okaloosa County in 2015 — then “Hispanic” when she registered in Pinellas in 2019. "
I was going to reply to the poster that called the people coming to our southern border "refugees" but I can't find the comment now.
This is a PSA for folks. Asylum seekers are not refugees. A refugee in the official sense of it is categorized that way by the UN, they have a caseworker, a resettlement plan, a group trying to find a place for them to live. I'm not saying they have it good - a quick glance around the world will disabuse anyone of that notion - but they have *a status*.
An asylum seeker does not. They are here to flee something, assuming they pass the rather stringent credible fear/threat test we have, they are probably fleeing something horrible, and have seen some shit.
But they have no UN status, just the good graces of a country like ours, and its people. We need to do better.
"I'm not willing to do too damn much right now to help a Democrat and to help Joe Biden’s approval rating,” —Rep. Troy Nehls (R-TX)
In other words, *nothing* that makes *anything* better for people. (A fundamental Republican principle.)
Oh another troll. You guys are really so unoriginal, you know? The same dumb arguments, the same condescending tone, the same nonsense. You can’t even troll very well.
That’s right, Representative de Luna, I’m laughing at you and The Orange God Emperor who you give allegiance to.
PaulinaLunatic the shameless liar strikes again. (she is the female version of George Santos inventing her past acording to the propaganda point she is making.)
Driftglass and Blue Gal did a great piece on immigration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3a_kqnnR4w
Rethugs do not want solutions to ANYTHING (unless they can monetize it)
Whatever happened to that caravan of 10,000 migrants heading to our border? Probably just resting up until October.
The next scheduled migrant caravan from Central AMessico is due to show up in late summer.
Fuck Ted Cruz.
They are an ouroboros, they come near at election time, then vanish.
It would be nice to hear real truth. Not here though, apparently. The characterization of Republicans refusing bills to finance improved border protection and “alligator moats” is a lie in the sense of full information. Read more people, not this leftist malarkey. Republicans want funding for a wall or other barriers (not alligator moats, stupid) to stop illegal immigration, not social services comforting and increasing admittance of law breakers. Can you possibly see a difference? Read more sources people!!!
"stop illegal immigration"
"law breakers"
The rather obvious remedies for this are amnesty and higher quotas. It solves those problems neatly and costs almost nothing. If you are aghast over "illegal immigration" then make it legal and you can stop choking on your bile. Pretty simple.
The wall is just a stupid idea. A thing that would be good for no one except Republicans and their talking points. There is a problem, and it seems to me to be one of numbers... the sheer overwhelming numbers of folks who arrive every day. Democrats are correctly trying for solutions that are thoughtful and compassionate, not knee-jerk reactionary and... just plain mean BS. But Joe is losing voters over this, so something in the Democratic rhetoric needs to change.
The quote is in the story.
The proper response to an incomplete quote is the full quote with at least one source, though preferably multiple ones from various organisations. I cannot imagine why you wouldn't give that.
How's this for real truth, Craig: The people coming here seek a better, safer future for themselves and their families, as I am certain you also would if you can possibly empathize enough to imagine yourself in their situation.
Rather than seeing the nobility here, you see criminals and political gain through fear mongering. This all ends soon, so enjoy it while you can. Why is it ending soon for you? Because we're leading with the truth. We're calling it out your politics for what they are: dehumanizing apartheid racism. I'd take an immigrant neighbor over someone like you any day.
Show me a wall that works. Start in Southern Israel. BTW, how many of your social group work in slaughter houses or pick strawberries?
Fucking WALL is stupid, asshole. Does not work and destroys sensitive environments. But I'm sure you don't give a fuck about that.
Violates international agreements, ignores refugee status...
A "wall"
[500,000 hysterical laugh emojis]
A wall? But what if Mexicans learn how to make ladders? And what social services? Like corporate welfare breaks for those that least deserve and least need them? Or do you mean like giving loans to those that least deserve and least need them and then forgiving those loans? Or do you mean social services like allowing corporations to develop publicly owned land for their quarterly profits? You're going to have to narrow it down.
Trump was the one talking about alligator moats. You can go fuck yourself :)
🎯❤️
“Rep. Ocasio-Cortez also pointed out that job openings are at a record high, that we need people to fill them”
The mob crossing the border has an average grade 5 education. Many are functionally illiterate. They have no marketable skills.
We have plenty of convenience store clerks. Landscapers are fighting each other for customers. No one wants to buy a cup of fruit from some guy standing on the curb.
Rep. Cortez is the perfect spokes-dolt for Mass incursions.
we don't have enough workers in agriculture, meatpacking, etc., which is why they're hiring 14 year olds who get sucked into the machines and die.
How'd you find your way here, friend?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-meatpacking-automa/meatpackers-in-the-americas-accelerate-automation-after-outbreaks-lagging-europe-idINKBN26M5V0/
Same in ag.
Next!
"have plans to automate meatpacking in Quebec" does not actually mean anything here.
Next tell me how we're going to automate home health care for all the aging boomers. Or line cooks. Most agriculture can't be automated.
We need workers. You saying "next!" like you've made any kind of point is irrelevant.
Trix, you could make a bundle selling "BANNED FROM WONKETTE" T-shirts to rubes who'd wear them as a point of pride. Also would boost readership, because some people appreciate when certain people are banned from polite company.
Also, from the article I cited:
“Tyson Foods , Smithfield Foods and JBS SA , several of the world's largest packers, all have automation plans under way, their representatives said.”
It’s a good idea to read articles one intends to present counter arguments to.
Hey, Skeezix. I have plans to turn my house into an International House of Pancakes.
I love Civil Eats! That article is from three years ago, but it's still not here yet. So how long will it be?
In the meantime, yes, we still need workers. Desperately. When you've made a robot line cook or home health aide, do let me know.
By the way, just because you can automate something doesn't mean it will be efficient. They're now eating their investments in robot grocery checkers.
Also in the meantime, I am banning you now for your general smug attitude, mild racism, and above average shitheadedness.
Bye now TJ!
Hear, hear.
Oo, above average shitheadedness. Is that going to become a new Wonkette award?
No, TJ, it's not a thing to be proud of. You don't get a plaque. Not a TShirt either.
Hear, hear!
i feel that 'david bier' dude was a little bit of a D sleeper agent.
He was way too reasonable to be from the Cato Institute.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - the only congress critters worth paying attention to are the people of color, the Jews, and the occasional white woman. Show me a cis gender white man with any real leadership or courage and I'll show you..Sherrod Brown maybe? - and that'll be on a slow news day.
That's.... bigoted. I don't say it often about the posts full of hate for white cis het males, but in this case it is a bit too obvious.
Yeah. Totally bigoted. This is the kind of thing the rw says about the Left... that we are anti white male. I am a member of the "lucky sperm club" and I know my faults, but also know my strengths. BTW Tim <cough cough> Scott?
Are Raskin and Swawell so much chopped liver, or what?
Ranking is Jewish.
Ah! I shoulda knowed, and I also didn't read closely enough. Is Swawell Jewish too? He's got some moxie, that kid.
Shockingly Swawell was born not far from me in Steve King country Iowa. We both wisely escaped.
Raskin is part of the original set.
Sorry, I don't follow -- the "original set" of what?
I was born in Iowa, too, when my Dad was a grad student at U of Iowa -- I have fond memories of the 6 weeks of mewling and puking I did before we all moved away.
The original set of approved congress critters.
The PAB/Loser 45 has said he would round up all the illegals, identified as Latinos, and put them in detention camps before deporting them. So, with all the Latinos being detained, who is going to build the detention camps? White college Republicans?
He never said “Latinos”. He said he’d deport all illegals.
You people have absolutely no reading comprehension, and absorb BS like a sponge.
Why are you so insulting? What "people" are you talking about? More bigotry of a select group with whom you disagree?
https://youtu.be/xIs6T8F0Dz4?si=Rfmxm2VuZdLtg-6s
I can comprehend that what you write is bullshit.
Oh the irony...
Stephen Miller would probably be in charge of the camps. Can you imagine the conditions inside?
And that would be after Jared's replacement got done collecting the vig on the government money going to those camps.
Ellos no nos reemplazaran.
Ta, Robyn.
Democrats show pics of cartoon alligators at hearings. Republicans show dick pics at hearings.
Vote wisely.
We all know that the GOP do not want to solve the immigration issue. They just want to bitch and drive a wedge through our country. They had house and senate at one point and STILL did nothing.
There is nothing, no issue, that the Republicans can't make catastrophically worse just by turning their attention upon it. The Death Cult rivals the Thugee, the stranglers for Kali that the British suppressed in the 19th century, in the number of their victims and lack of accountability. Even today, Governor Little Boots down in the Promised Land of Crazy, and his pet Surgeon General are not merely failing to fight the latest iteration of the Covid virus, they are actively discouraging sensible public health measures by spreading fantasies off the dark web in place of accurate information. It sometimes seems as if the leadership of the GQP has been hijacked by a dayroom-full of unmedicated schizophrenics, all valiantly battling their menacing hallucinations instead of our real problems.
Do you live here in crazy-land backwards-reality world too?
Everyone here at Wonkette does, and doesn't it sometimes feel like exile?
I meant Florida specifically , but I take your point. My husband can often be heard muttering, "I'm just a guest here." (He's Canadian.)
Papers, please!!!
Fuck Ted Cruz.
My brother in law is British. I hope that it is some solace to them both that they are in no way responsible for these horrors, and they always have a safe country to go home to. If you emigrated with him, would they grant you automatic citizenship for having a Canadian spouse? Not that I want you to go, but if you could it would make good sense. The Sunshine State is going to get yet worse before it gets better.
I had status there, until covid hit, I could not travel up there to pick up my renewed permanent resident card in person. (I was technically supposed to be living there, so they make you come get your card.) Since we live here now, I let it go, but having had one, I could get one again. And thank you, you are kind.
I discovered my 7x Great-Grandfather was convicted of Heresy in the Old Bailey in London and forcibly transported to the Colony of Virginia in 1728. He was 18 years old when he was kicked out of England, he would be sentenced to 'burning' if he ever returned. He didn't come to North America willingly and probably faced discrimination from the earlier English immigrants.
The behavior of Republicans towards migrants and refugees is beyond abhorrent. Americans of European descent have absolutely no right to tell people who are Indigenous South Americans that they cannot travel freely on the continents that their ancestors have called home for over 20,000 years.
Legal immigration into the US is broken. It is impossible for people already struggling to survive to even begin the process.
Republican xenophobia is a betrayal of their "Christian" beliefs and American values.
They can't "betray" what they never actually believed.
That Rep. Luna is priceless.
"WHY ARE YOU LAUGHING? WHY ARE YOU LAUGHING AT ME? STOP LAUGHING AT ME!"
She claims to be raised by her single mother, with no family contact which puzzled the cousins and aunts, she grew up with, who showed many family gathering photos. She is another Santos liar/drama queen. And a gun lover.
they're hurting her wittle fee fee's
Perhaps she was separated from her mom and still has trauma but is in denial?
No she is a liar,
"The Post story questioned important parts of Luna’s narrative. For example, reporters quoted members of Luna’s extended family who rebutted her claim that she had limited family support. They said Luna was often invited to family gatherings, and at times cared for by relatives who lived nearby."
A 2020 Tampa Bay Times profile of Luna described how she changed her last name from Mayerhofer to Luna the same year she first filed to run for Congress. It reported how Luna claimed that she was “White, not of Hispanic Origin” when she registered to vote in Okaloosa County in 2015 — then “Hispanic” when she registered in Pinellas in 2019. "
Thanks for the clarification. I thought it was short for Lunatic.
That’s really fascinating. Thanks for this.
I live in Florida, so I am particularly offended by her Boebert-lite lies (They are great buds).
if that is in fact the case i withdraw my non comment
I was trying to be tongue in cheek. Your comment was spot on.