Like it's not bad enough that some trendy dumb parents are refusing to vaccinate their children, and helping to make all-but-extinct diseases like measles ALL THE RAGE. Because yeah, that's bad enough. But now they're complaining people who actually believe in science are being SO MEAN about it:
Compare it to how I write about law, guns, history, civil rights, language, and everything else I find on Disqus. I must be operating out of a lot of manuals!!
AD, many of these posts are astroturfed. The average person who vaccinates their kids doesn't give a s@#t about all this, they typically believe their kids are protected and they move on.
Oh, yay, you're in receipt of second- or third-hand slogans (or worse, given that Scuz is already inventing brain-dead neologisms) from Sharyl Attkisson!
There are actually three separate parts here: (1) the mysterious proposition that money would be enough to induce someone to suffer idiocy such as yours and Dudd's; (2) the cost-effectiveness of simply allowing frequently semiliterate antivaccine cranks to discredit themselves; and (3) that little problem with the money sources of the antivaccine propaganda machine.*
I'm amazed (but not yet entirely convinced) that Dudd may have created an actual paragraph under its own steam today. Then again, @disqus_sSPvohCccP:disqus seems to have been the one to necromance this, something that is usually Dudd's bailiwick.**
* Hai, Andrea and Barry!** "I have an innate ability to think."
Ken, it is a very difficult issue. While vaccines are 100% good for many people....there is an mount of people that they are 100% NOT good for. My kids are 100% Vaxxed to age 12.....but no more....definitely not HPV. We had mild reactions to vaccines AND Infections. I can tell you....it has to be about individual choice and tailoring the vax schedule, eliminating combo vaccines or grouped vaccines.
Ask any doc, with very specific questions....they will NEVER tell you they are risk free.....cause the are NOT....however, it is about calculating risk......when you have already had a bad reaction...the risk is, probably more greater, than getting the diseases itself.
I'm not sure we agree on all the details, but we definitely agree that vaccination should (ideally) be a matter of thoughtful recommendation, consideration of risks, and an informed, voluntary decision to vaccinate, not vaccinate, or alter the schedule. I see two disturbing extremes in the pro-/anti-vax debate, and I don't see a really positive outcome from either one. Some advocate stripping away parents' and individuals' rights to control the administration of body-altering chemicals, and some advocate stripping away our community protection from serious disease. What scares me is that instead of skepticism and an impartial quest for safety, the conspiracy mindset has set in and that's basically impossible to break.
I agree on most points....However, being most of the way to 50 y/o I have seen the march towards mandatory or recommended vaccines. My kids are vaxxed at the early 2000's and current schedule up to 12 y/o........We did have minor adverse events......but the long term issues have been confirmed by docs asking about adverse reactions to vaccines. They know there is an issue for some......It is quite a complex issue....However......
Chicken pox probably could be possibly elective. HPV for sure elective. Some others elective......like menactra should be elective. It really is about calculating risk.
I would disagree somewhat with the conspiracy thoughts....Most people who are skeptical are so because of adverse events....both minor and severe, have nothing to gain by speaking about their own experiences......and their skepticism has only been fueled by the intransigence of main stream medicine saying there is no issues with vaccines....when all the evidence...both actual and circumstantial say otherwise.
Nothing dumb about it.
Lol, you're either a paid liar yourself, or a hardcore dupe. Only you know the answer to that, I couldn't care less.
I don't. Do you have any evidence that I'm operating out of some manual?
Language you use...pure troll
Compare it to how I write about law, guns, history, civil rights, language, and everything else I find on Disqus. I must be operating out of a lot of manuals!!
That's your business...troll on Dude!
No evidence...I win!
AD, many of these posts are astroturfed. The average person who vaccinates their kids doesn't give a s@#t about all this, they typically believe their kids are protected and they move on.
Troll on
Language you use...pure troll
I'm guessing that the Yoda impersonation here is merely dumb luck.
AD, many of these posts are astroturfed.
Oh, yay, you're in receipt of second- or third-hand slogans (or worse, given that Scuz is already inventing brain-dead neologisms) from Sharyl Attkisson!
There are actually three separate parts here: (1) the mysterious proposition that money would be enough to induce someone to suffer idiocy such as yours and Dudd's; (2) the cost-effectiveness of simply allowing frequently semiliterate antivaccine cranks to discredit themselves; and (3) that little problem with the money sources of the antivaccine propaganda machine.*
I'm amazed (but not yet entirely convinced) that Dudd may have created an actual paragraph under its own steam today. Then again, @disqus_sSPvohCccP:disqus seems to have been the one to necromance this, something that is usually Dudd's bailiwick.**
* Hai, Andrea and Barry!** "I have an innate ability to think."
Yeah, but when you have had adverse reactions or mild reactions and your child is changed.....only then are you screwed.
Educate yourself on your genetics and familial history, ask questions and proceed how you think is best for your kids.
Ken, it is a very difficult issue. While vaccines are 100% good for many people....there is an mount of people that they are 100% NOT good for. My kids are 100% Vaxxed to age 12.....but no more....definitely not HPV. We had mild reactions to vaccines AND Infections. I can tell you....it has to be about individual choice and tailoring the vax schedule, eliminating combo vaccines or grouped vaccines.
Ask any doc, with very specific questions....they will NEVER tell you they are risk free.....cause the are NOT....however, it is about calculating risk......when you have already had a bad reaction...the risk is, probably more greater, than getting the diseases itself.
Are you a Germ Theory denialist????
I'm not sure we agree on all the details, but we definitely agree that vaccination should (ideally) be a matter of thoughtful recommendation, consideration of risks, and an informed, voluntary decision to vaccinate, not vaccinate, or alter the schedule. I see two disturbing extremes in the pro-/anti-vax debate, and I don't see a really positive outcome from either one. Some advocate stripping away parents' and individuals' rights to control the administration of body-altering chemicals, and some advocate stripping away our community protection from serious disease. What scares me is that instead of skepticism and an impartial quest for safety, the conspiracy mindset has set in and that's basically impossible to break.
I agree on most points....However, being most of the way to 50 y/o I have seen the march towards mandatory or recommended vaccines. My kids are vaxxed at the early 2000's and current schedule up to 12 y/o........We did have minor adverse events......but the long term issues have been confirmed by docs asking about adverse reactions to vaccines. They know there is an issue for some......It is quite a complex issue....However......
Chicken pox probably could be possibly elective. HPV for sure elective. Some others elective......like menactra should be elective. It really is about calculating risk.
I would disagree somewhat with the conspiracy thoughts....Most people who are skeptical are so because of adverse events....both minor and severe, have nothing to gain by speaking about their own experiences......and their skepticism has only been fueled by the intransigence of main stream medicine saying there is no issues with vaccines....when all the evidence...both actual and circumstantial say otherwise.