obamacare was passed under a full 60. there was a whole thing with drama. al franken got seated late because republican opponent sued him. negotiations were protracted. in the end all of the republican 'maybe's voted against it. D-senator was sick and needed to be wheeled in.
I wish it was passed using reconciliation. With only 50 votes required we could have had a public option and more! (Thanks Joe Lieberman) Obamacare was passed under regular order 60-39 with 0 members of the Republican party voting for it despite hurclean efforts to make the bill palatable to the minority party.
I don’t see this going anywhere. The Republican way to appeal to working class Americans isn’t to give them some benefit. It’s to let them know they’re going to take something away from some despised other group.
It’s hard to think of any one person who did more to elect Trump than Joe Manchin. I hope all the other terminally centrist Washington types give him a nice party.
"Republicans’ plans to extend expiring Trump tax cuts (and add a bunch of new ones)"
If extending tax cuts for the rich and Big Business doesn't return our economy to a sound footing -- like St Ronnie's Trickle Down Economy did so successfully -- after the disaster of Bidenomics we're doomed to financial ruin:
"Under President Reagan, from 1980 to 1988, the top marginal tax rate in the United States fell from 70% to 28%.
...
Many economists counter that cutting taxes for the poor and working families boosts the economy by increasing spending on goods and services whereas a tax cut for a corporation may go to stock buybacks or increased savings for the wealthy." https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/trickledowntheory.asp#
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"The trickle-down economics theory embraced by the Reagan administration and many of its successors claimed the benefits of these tax cuts would spur growth and create a rising tide that would lift all boats. In the immortal words of Chilli Heeler, “Neither of those things are happening.” https://rooseveltinstitute.org/blog/the-trickle-down-tax-code-failed/
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"While it was in place, from August through December of 2021, the expanded credit led to a 46 percent reduction in child poverty, helping not only poor families but also folks in the middle class to get some of that economic “breathing room”"
Well now, we can't have that. If it didn't come from the RINOs, and with full approval of the Fulvous Flatulence, then it is just not allowed. Heaven forfend that the non-rich might get *some* benefit from the federal government.
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"the people who took that safety net away in the name of “my constituents will let their children go hungry to do drugs if you give them money”"
And on the other side of the scale: “my constituents will let their children go hungry to send more wingnut welfare to the Pumpkin Pestilence and/or buy crap that he endorsed (for a cut of the action) if you give them money.”
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"Trump’s Child Tax Credit instead of Joe Biden’s Child Tax Credit"
Yep. Just like it was the Sociopathic Marigold Swamp Monster responsible for the (fragile) treaty between Israel and Hezbollah, that only he can fix what's broken in America....
“Best Cut Cut Cuts And They Can’t Eat The Dogs Or Eat The Cats Anymore Act of 2025, Also Mass Deportations Now ... And You Can Say 'Merry Christmas' Without Being Crucified Anymore And Also Also Can Say the 'N Word' At Work, Especially if You're in the Oval Office."
Of course, if they work all the Black and brown people to death and deport the rest and do not want them to have children because of their White fear ...
DO KNOW that it will be YOUR CHILDREN whom they will then try to put to work in the fields.
Shuckabee has already started the paperwork, and Melon Husk and Bezos are trying to get the National Labor Relations Act -- that means ALL LABOR PROTECTIONS -- declared unconstitutional so that Shuckabee-type rules stick.
Hope you've read your Dickens so you know what to prepare for
The Wisconsin Supreme Court voted to get rid of Act 10. The lovely nugget that Walker and the repubs gave us to get rid of collective bargaining for state workers. Teachers etc...
Those of us who've been focused on other parts of things like NLRA litigation -- and ongoing attempts in NC by Republicans to strip all power from elected Democratic officials -- are going to need a little help with the background, please
Although honestly, it sounds a lot like what Republicans always do -- "promise" a sop to get White Democrats to agree with their taking away of some rights for everyone, and then figure out some other way to get rid of the sop they "promised"
Hey, Dok, as I remember it, the ACA was passed by an unfortunately brief supermajority of Democratic Senators.
obamacare was passed under a full 60. there was a whole thing with drama. al franken got seated late because republican opponent sued him. negotiations were protracted. in the end all of the republican 'maybe's voted against it. D-senator was sick and needed to be wheeled in.
lots and lots of drama.
I wish it was passed using reconciliation. With only 50 votes required we could have had a public option and more! (Thanks Joe Lieberman) Obamacare was passed under regular order 60-39 with 0 members of the Republican party voting for it despite hurclean efforts to make the bill palatable to the minority party.
Counterpoint: We should definitely be meaner to Joe Manchin.
No doubt he wanted to call it "Cut Cut Cut" after that carpet store's "It's a grand opening" ads .
I don’t see this going anywhere. The Republican way to appeal to working class Americans isn’t to give them some benefit. It’s to let them know they’re going to take something away from some despised other group.
Weirdly, it’s very effective.
It’s hard to think of any one person who did more to elect Trump than Joe Manchin. I hope all the other terminally centrist Washington types give him a nice party.
Me too.
And by "nice party", I mean, "swift hop in the butt".
"Republicans’ plans to extend expiring Trump tax cuts (and add a bunch of new ones)"
If extending tax cuts for the rich and Big Business doesn't return our economy to a sound footing -- like St Ronnie's Trickle Down Economy did so successfully -- after the disaster of Bidenomics we're doomed to financial ruin:
"Under President Reagan, from 1980 to 1988, the top marginal tax rate in the United States fell from 70% to 28%.
...
Many economists counter that cutting taxes for the poor and working families boosts the economy by increasing spending on goods and services whereas a tax cut for a corporation may go to stock buybacks or increased savings for the wealthy." https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/trickledowntheory.asp#
-and-
"The trickle-down economics theory embraced by the Reagan administration and many of its successors claimed the benefits of these tax cuts would spur growth and create a rising tide that would lift all boats. In the immortal words of Chilli Heeler, “Neither of those things are happening.” https://rooseveltinstitute.org/blog/the-trickle-down-tax-code-failed/
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"While it was in place, from August through December of 2021, the expanded credit led to a 46 percent reduction in child poverty, helping not only poor families but also folks in the middle class to get some of that economic “breathing room”"
Well now, we can't have that. If it didn't come from the RINOs, and with full approval of the Fulvous Flatulence, then it is just not allowed. Heaven forfend that the non-rich might get *some* benefit from the federal government.
-----
"the people who took that safety net away in the name of “my constituents will let their children go hungry to do drugs if you give them money”"
And on the other side of the scale: “my constituents will let their children go hungry to send more wingnut welfare to the Pumpkin Pestilence and/or buy crap that he endorsed (for a cut of the action) if you give them money.”
-----
"Trump’s Child Tax Credit instead of Joe Biden’s Child Tax Credit"
Yep. Just like it was the Sociopathic Marigold Swamp Monster responsible for the (fragile) treaty between Israel and Hezbollah, that only he can fix what's broken in America....
fnord
It would be a real bummer if citizens blew taxpayer dollars on stupid shit, like a Maserati SUV or a fucking houseboat.
Like JoeManchin's Maserati SUV
or JoeManchin's houseboat
AS IMPLIED!!
"Sen. Tommy Tuberville, R-Ala., said the GOP is “100%” committed to extending the Trump tax cuts but with “some deviations” from existing law."
What that means from a *dedicated* Confederate like Tuberville is "no Black people should get it"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRmAj6noc4I&t=18s
Just like the country could have had UNIVERSAL healthcare for EVERYONE *right after the Civil War* --
BUT WHITE PEOPLE DID NOT WANT BLACK PEOPLE TO HAVE IT
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/universal-health-care-racism.html
“Best Cut Cut Cuts And They Can’t Eat The Dogs Or Eat The Cats Anymore Act of 2025, Also Mass Deportations Now ... And You Can Say 'Merry Christmas' Without Being Crucified Anymore And Also Also Can Say the 'N Word' At Work, Especially if You're in the Oval Office."
Let's not even speak that into existence, how about that
Do they want us to have more children or no children? I get mixed signals from the repubs.
You may only have White children
Of course, if they work all the Black and brown people to death and deport the rest and do not want them to have children because of their White fear ...
DO KNOW that it will be YOUR CHILDREN whom they will then try to put to work in the fields.
Shuckabee has already started the paperwork, and Melon Husk and Bezos are trying to get the National Labor Relations Act -- that means ALL LABOR PROTECTIONS -- declared unconstitutional so that Shuckabee-type rules stick.
Hope you've read your Dickens so you know what to prepare for
More children if you're white and have money. No children if you're anyone else.
I suspect they will also vote to end Obamacare by passing resolutions simply renaming it "Trumpcare"
Shit like this makes being a democrat seem real goddamn pointless
The Wisconsin Supreme Court voted to get rid of Act 10. The lovely nugget that Walker and the repubs gave us to get rid of collective bargaining for state workers. Teachers etc...
Those of us who've been focused on other parts of things like NLRA litigation -- and ongoing attempts in NC by Republicans to strip all power from elected Democratic officials -- are going to need a little help with the background, please
Although honestly, it sounds a lot like what Republicans always do -- "promise" a sop to get White Democrats to agree with their taking away of some rights for everyone, and then figure out some other way to get rid of the sop they "promised"
Fuck.