Nighthawks, by Dennis Hopper A friend of mine is taking some solace in the popular vote. He points out that not only did Hillary win the popular vote, but Trump got fewer votes overall than either Romney or McCain did in losing decisively to Obama. We just need more turnout, that good old-timey medicine.
Read this and notice how many of the people here voted for Obama before but went for Trump this time. How many live and work with immigrants and speak of them in glowing terms but voted for Trump. Why? Because Trump at least appeared to give a shit. You and I may know (and some of them probably suspect) it's all a con, but at least he understood what people are looking for. But go ahead, keep dismissing these "low information"voters as if you are the one that actually knows what's going on, when you don't know shit. These are the people who society is failing. They know first hand what's going on.
How many states that voted for Obama did Clinton lose?
Speaking as someone who actually volunteered for her campaign, it now seems so obviously deluded that we were ever going to reach these people with someone whose very name says "political establishment."
And you deride Trump voters for being "low information" while sneering at Bernie supporters for being people who think about things. I guess the only acceptable level of intellect is the one that drove the Democrats into a ditch. I'd like to think that, if there ever is another election in this county, the Democrats might learn something but I doubt it. Kerry is going to get crushed again in 2020.
I'm beginning to think their talk consisted of Obama saying "and to really piss off Paul Ryan for saying mean things about you, leave the Affordable Care Act intact." and things like that.
I am in the "grrr fight harder" camp myself. Most people here seem to realize we already tried the patience and understanding thing for the last 8 years and it just got ground into our faces. I, and I hope many are taking the "no more being nice" route.
Trump talked about jobs, and so did Clinton - but the difference is that she didn't lie to people. Not only wasn't there wasn't enough pushback from the media about how not only did he have his stuff made in China, he bought Chinese steel for his buildings and he doesn't really give an tinker's dam about "the little guy", or he'd have been buying American already.
Also, he has no ability to change what is true: it will always be cheaper to make things elsewhere than here because most of the products which are being made elsewhere use labor that is paid virtually nothing, with no environmental regulations to worry about and using materials made or grown by laborers working under those same conditions. No number of tariffs will change that - it will only make imported goods we all rely on more expensive, making the middle class poorer, and the poor more impoverished too.
Oh, and let's not forget putting the armed forces into the hands of someone who is deeply in debt to the Russians. My brother the Marine Colonel is freaking out right now - how do you brief the alleged "commander in chief", knowing that the stuff you tell him is going to end up being known by Putin? If you think that the intelligence services are loose cannons on deck now, how do you operate them when they don't trust the President with sensitive information?
No, it's the rogue FBI agents who gave him the reason to take a dump on the electorate. Why the NY office is full of assholes has never been made clear to me, but Barry needs to make sure those people get fired before he leaves.
I have voted for them, back in the past when there WERE such things as moderate and liberal Republicans. It was the policies which mattered to me, not the party. But then, that was back before they kicked out all the "rinos".
She clearly wasn't our best candidate. An intelligent, accomplished and qualified one, yes, but not a good one. She had record unfavorables exceeded only by trump and did not have the charisma to overcome that. She has thirty years of baggage and the republicans had 8 years to poison the well against her because it was obvious she was ordained as our next candidate.
Shit still hurts, Mencken is such a relief for these times "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." - Except this time who are the common people? Tweety and all the jackass thought peddlers on tv have made this about the precious white working class - yeah all those Trump voters making 60k a year are "working class" - Clinton got those making under 50k last I checked.
And people of color - Except those curious hispanics who opted to buy into the oppressive rhetoric for whatever reason - we didn't buy into this shit. Where's our narrative in this grand year where "the people spoke for Donald Trump"
I'm not done being way bitter about this shit, and calling it out. Stupid is Stupid. Racist is Racist. How much more fucking polite am I supposed to be?
"He wasn’t able to hold it together in a debate for more than 20 minutes. Imagine if he had been."
This is where the whole case breaks down. You're thinking about it rationally, and very very few people involved in this thought about it rationally.
The overwhelming majority of Trump's supporters thought he won all three debates convincingly. In the face of that, who is to say whether Pussyghazi helped or hurt him in the popular vote?
The only way to fix this is from way the fuck down and up. A grass roots local government movement to re-introduce critical thinking to schools. Call the movement "Christians For Education" and the courses "The Dangers Of Critical Thinking" and you might get away with it.
No. It is not worse. It is terrible and horrific and dreadful, but it is not worse.
Nothing is worse than Trump.
Exactly. Pence and Ryan already run the country; having Trump around is just another loose cannon on the deck.
Well maybe.I am old,I thought nothing can be worse than Reagan.Then I thought nothing be worse than W.......now look were we are.
Actually, this was pre-election poll data. Not sure how the actual vote went.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016...
Read this and notice how many of the people here voted for Obama before but went for Trump this time. How many live and work with immigrants and speak of them in glowing terms but voted for Trump. Why? Because Trump at least appeared to give a shit. You and I may know (and some of them probably suspect) it's all a con, but at least he understood what people are looking for. But go ahead, keep dismissing these "low information"voters as if you are the one that actually knows what's going on, when you don't know shit. These are the people who society is failing. They know first hand what's going on.
How many states that voted for Obama did Clinton lose?
Speaking as someone who actually volunteered for her campaign, it now seems so obviously deluded that we were ever going to reach these people with someone whose very name says "political establishment."
And you deride Trump voters for being "low information" while sneering at Bernie supporters for being people who think about things. I guess the only acceptable level of intellect is the one that drove the Democrats into a ditch. I'd like to think that, if there ever is another election in this county, the Democrats might learn something but I doubt it. Kerry is going to get crushed again in 2020.
I'm beginning to think their talk consisted of Obama saying "and to really piss off Paul Ryan for saying mean things about you, leave the Affordable Care Act intact." and things like that.
I am in the "grrr fight harder" camp myself. Most people here seem to realize we already tried the patience and understanding thing for the last 8 years and it just got ground into our faces. I, and I hope many are taking the "no more being nice" route.
Trump talked about jobs, and so did Clinton - but the difference is that she didn't lie to people. Not only wasn't there wasn't enough pushback from the media about how not only did he have his stuff made in China, he bought Chinese steel for his buildings and he doesn't really give an tinker's dam about "the little guy", or he'd have been buying American already.
Also, he has no ability to change what is true: it will always be cheaper to make things elsewhere than here because most of the products which are being made elsewhere use labor that is paid virtually nothing, with no environmental regulations to worry about and using materials made or grown by laborers working under those same conditions. No number of tariffs will change that - it will only make imported goods we all rely on more expensive, making the middle class poorer, and the poor more impoverished too.
Oh, and let's not forget putting the armed forces into the hands of someone who is deeply in debt to the Russians. My brother the Marine Colonel is freaking out right now - how do you brief the alleged "commander in chief", knowing that the stuff you tell him is going to end up being known by Putin? If you think that the intelligence services are loose cannons on deck now, how do you operate them when they don't trust the President with sensitive information?
No, it's the rogue FBI agents who gave him the reason to take a dump on the electorate. Why the NY office is full of assholes has never been made clear to me, but Barry needs to make sure those people get fired before he leaves.
I have voted for them, back in the past when there WERE such things as moderate and liberal Republicans. It was the policies which mattered to me, not the party. But then, that was back before they kicked out all the "rinos".
She clearly wasn't our best candidate. An intelligent, accomplished and qualified one, yes, but not a good one. She had record unfavorables exceeded only by trump and did not have the charisma to overcome that. She has thirty years of baggage and the republicans had 8 years to poison the well against her because it was obvious she was ordained as our next candidate.
Dennis Hopper is one of my favorite artists.
Shit still hurts, Mencken is such a relief for these times "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." - Except this time who are the common people? Tweety and all the jackass thought peddlers on tv have made this about the precious white working class - yeah all those Trump voters making 60k a year are "working class" - Clinton got those making under 50k last I checked.
And people of color - Except those curious hispanics who opted to buy into the oppressive rhetoric for whatever reason - we didn't buy into this shit. Where's our narrative in this grand year where "the people spoke for Donald Trump"
I'm not done being way bitter about this shit, and calling it out. Stupid is Stupid. Racist is Racist. How much more fucking polite am I supposed to be?
Most. Logical.
"He wasn’t able to hold it together in a debate for more than 20 minutes. Imagine if he had been."
This is where the whole case breaks down. You're thinking about it rationally, and very very few people involved in this thought about it rationally.
The overwhelming majority of Trump's supporters thought he won all three debates convincingly. In the face of that, who is to say whether Pussyghazi helped or hurt him in the popular vote?
The only way to fix this is from way the fuck down and up. A grass roots local government movement to re-introduce critical thinking to schools. Call the movement "Christians For Education" and the courses "The Dangers Of Critical Thinking" and you might get away with it.