Matt Gaetz is certifiable. I can't believe any democrat not high would vote for tRump. They aren't voting for McCarthy much less someone that has no reason to be in any public office.
If it were to happen in the US House, one way would be Democrats pressuring vulnerable Republicans from districts that went for Biden in 2020. But right now I see almost no possibility that either faction in the GOP would go for a moderate. Ideologically there’s almost no daylight between McCarthy and the (more) irrational group bedeviling him.
They wouldn't need to change party affiliation to vote for Jeffries for speaker.
They'd just need to vote for a Democrat.
A Black Democrat.
Which tells us a lot of things about this country that (some) people don't necessarily want to face, but that will have to be faced in order to be resolved.
The Dems would have to get big incentives to enter such a deal. It wouldn’t be like the Ohio legislature, which is Dems fighting for their survival.
If for instance Upton (sidenote: he can go to hell) were to get Democratic support, they would need to at least get equal representation on committees and probably some chairmanships like Judiciary to make it work. I don’t think it would happen, but I could see how that might be preferable. The ads write themselves: Trump and Desantis allies were unable to even choose a speaker. No one associated with them should be near power again
I have a solution that would at least break the logjam and let the elected representatives get sworn in, so the Republican Congress can get on with its work of getting nothing accomplished. Plus there’s an element of suspense and gamesmanship! McCarthy and the Republican majority should team up with Democrats to put in place plurality elections for speaker until a speaker is chosen, at which point the rules would go back to majority. A majority of members-elect would have to vote for plurality voting. Then the fun would begin. Democrats would vote for Jeffries. The Republican majority would vote for McCarthy. Who will the holdouts vote for? If they don’t vote for McCarthy, Jeffries becomes speaker. Either McCarthy or Jeffries will be voted speaker, so that will end the votes.
Didn't read the WaPo article, but am feeling that in general, perhaps we could ask for some additional explanation/rationale of why the D's not caving is "malpractice", a rather specialized term in real life. It's time to stop letting pundits and lazy politicians use the English language any way they prefer, and not expect to get called out on it.
I'm talking about what's pragmatic given that all the current nominal Republicans are essentially Confederates.
You seem to be speaking of what would be ideal if we're going to have a functional government for the next two years.
We could certainly spend a fair amount of time discoursing on which of those is more likely ... assuming all other things being equal we had nothing else to do with our time
Actually, my ideal is for Jack Smith to come in and arrest any rethugs found to have participated in tfg's coup attempt. That will clear them out at least for a while.
Why doesn't the GOP give some thought to being unified and not needing Democrats to bail them out? There actually is no GOP, there is no one "conservative" party, there are several separate parties, each with their own agendas, priorities and voting base and they can't cooperate with each other, much less cooperate eith Democrats. They could not be more useless, all of them.
I always enjoyed the ones with the steel drums. I love steel drum.
Matt Gaetz is certifiable. I can't believe any democrat not high would vote for tRump. They aren't voting for McCarthy much less someone that has no reason to be in any public office.
If it were to happen in the US House, one way would be Democrats pressuring vulnerable Republicans from districts that went for Biden in 2020. But right now I see almost no possibility that either faction in the GOP would go for a moderate. Ideologically there’s almost no daylight between McCarthy and the (more) irrational group bedeviling him.
They wouldn't need to change party affiliation to vote for Jeffries for speaker.
They'd just need to vote for a Democrat.
A Black Democrat.
Which tells us a lot of things about this country that (some) people don't necessarily want to face, but that will have to be faced in order to be resolved.
The Dems would have to get big incentives to enter such a deal. It wouldn’t be like the Ohio legislature, which is Dems fighting for their survival.
If for instance Upton (sidenote: he can go to hell) were to get Democratic support, they would need to at least get equal representation on committees and probably some chairmanships like Judiciary to make it work. I don’t think it would happen, but I could see how that might be preferable. The ads write themselves: Trump and Desantis allies were unable to even choose a speaker. No one associated with them should be near power again
Other than the damn debt ceiling, but maybe by summer, some indictments might come down to remove a few howler monkeys.
I have a solution that would at least break the logjam and let the elected representatives get sworn in, so the Republican Congress can get on with its work of getting nothing accomplished. Plus there’s an element of suspense and gamesmanship! McCarthy and the Republican majority should team up with Democrats to put in place plurality elections for speaker until a speaker is chosen, at which point the rules would go back to majority. A majority of members-elect would have to vote for plurality voting. Then the fun would begin. Democrats would vote for Jeffries. The Republican majority would vote for McCarthy. Who will the holdouts vote for? If they don’t vote for McCarthy, Jeffries becomes speaker. Either McCarthy or Jeffries will be voted speaker, so that will end the votes.
Not changing leave the Rethugs in the majority as far as committees and more goes. Changing gives Dems control again.
Just like appointing justices to the Supreme Court. It blocks the most radical nominees.
Didn't read the WaPo article, but am feeling that in general, perhaps we could ask for some additional explanation/rationale of why the D's not caving is "malpractice", a rather specialized term in real life. It's time to stop letting pundits and lazy politicians use the English language any way they prefer, and not expect to get called out on it.
I'm talking about what's pragmatic given that all the current nominal Republicans are essentially Confederates.
You seem to be speaking of what would be ideal if we're going to have a functional government for the next two years.
We could certainly spend a fair amount of time discoursing on which of those is more likely ... assuming all other things being equal we had nothing else to do with our time
Actually, my ideal is for Jack Smith to come in and arrest any rethugs found to have participated in tfg's coup attempt. That will clear them out at least for a while.
Jared Golden, ME 2
Why doesn't the GOP give some thought to being unified and not needing Democrats to bail them out? There actually is no GOP, there is no one "conservative" party, there are several separate parties, each with their own agendas, priorities and voting base and they can't cooperate with each other, much less cooperate eith Democrats. They could not be more useless, all of them.
Ta, Dok, but you meant 2021, not 2001. Ohio, too bad you elected JD Vance, and maybe you're atoning for that.
Me too! That was my first introduction to them.