THE FIRST AMENDMENT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY. "She didn't leave him so pffft" is NOT a fucking argument against prosecuting abuse or the enabling thereof.
When you believe in a religion, that's that! Worse, when everything you have & everyone you're close to depends on you staying in your religion(cult), your options are drastically limited. Fuck these lawyers and the judges who sided with them.
The American legal system has made a joke out of 'benefit of the doubt'...When we fucking KNOW when something is wrong...When a BREATHTAKING amount of evidence proving a crime is heaped upon us..And we are FORCED to pretend that we don't know what we DO know...It's fucking gaslighting. I mean, I understand WHY these protections and high bars are in place. To protect the innocent. But those 'protections' are now used exclusively by powerful bad actors as loopholes,. If these protections were meant to protect the innocent, then why the FUCK does America incarcerate more innocent people than ANY OTHER first world country...
Oh, and about biased judges? Until we have ACTUAL robots passing down judgements and sentences, we're stuck with human beings who are by definition 'biased'...rule of law is in place to ameliorate the effects of bias...
I don't know, at least Scientology didn't raise an actual army (i.e. The Nauvoo Legion) to overthrow the federal government and set up Joseph Smith as a theocratic dictator.
Sounds about right. I'm old enough to remember when airports were wide open and the Hare Krishna morons would be at the gates grifting. I had two cousins that went on missions. One to Taiwan, the other to Thailand. One came back able to speak Mandarin......the other came back with an STD......
The use of the US legal system to trounce any opposition from ex-victims has reached a plateau of success with the "arbitration." The criminal organisation known as the "church" of $cientology has managed to convince far too many judges that civil law requires the ex-victims to be bound by the contract - contracts being very important for commercial law. At the same time, the same contracts are sacred religious texts which the same judges are forbidden from even reading, because first amendment and "church."
FWIW, California courts have routinely thrown out one-sided arbitration clauses like this. The leading case is Graham v. Scissor-Tail, where the California Supremes ruled that Bill Graham did not have to arbitrate his dispute with Leon Russell before an arbitrator provided by the American Federation of Musicians (Russell’s Union). (Please insert Leon Russell lyric witticism here.)
Loves me some Leon Russell.......I played a recording of "A song for you" to my wife on our first anniversary........still going strong after all these years........and now it's a tradition. I cry every time......
Graham and Russell agreed to a series of concerts. One of the concerts lost money. Graham said Russell should bear the loss without offset, Russell said the loss was Graham’s problem without offset.
It's religious doctrine or ideology is a patchwork of unadulterated BS cobbled together from sci-fi and armchair psychology/pseudo science, with some equally low-rent metaphysics (hence the symbols) thrown in for good measure. The only thing even remotely original about it is how brazenly insincere and fraudulent it all is. Hubbard himself makes perfectly clear in his writings that he never actually believed in it as anything other than a money-making scam-cum-personal power trip.
It is NOT a church it is a CULT. How do people keep falling for this shit? I don't know this 16 yo girl's background but dayum how did you get there in the first place. TAX THEM TO EXTINCTION.
I'm going to guess her parents were cultists and she was born into it. They also would not be the first set of biological DNA donors to either not care what happens to their offspring or actively urge them to destroy themselves to advance their DNA donors.
Even the IRS is afraid of this organization. They started to investigate and got so harassed they stopped.
I will never forget the perfect timing of my Mormon coworker when we were looking out of the new We Work office window that overlooked the SF Scientology office and I said, "hey let's go mess with the Scientologists ,Jonathan." And he takes a sip of his beverage and said, "And they say my religion is weird"
THE FIRST AMENDMENT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY. "She didn't leave him so pffft" is NOT a fucking argument against prosecuting abuse or the enabling thereof.
When you believe in a religion, that's that! Worse, when everything you have & everyone you're close to depends on you staying in your religion(cult), your options are drastically limited. Fuck these lawyers and the judges who sided with them.
WHERE'S YOUR WIFE, MISCAVIGE???
Hey, that's "freedom of religion" for you. When you allow people to believe whatever bullshit they want, this is what you get.
The American legal system has made a joke out of 'benefit of the doubt'...When we fucking KNOW when something is wrong...When a BREATHTAKING amount of evidence proving a crime is heaped upon us..And we are FORCED to pretend that we don't know what we DO know...It's fucking gaslighting. I mean, I understand WHY these protections and high bars are in place. To protect the innocent. But those 'protections' are now used exclusively by powerful bad actors as loopholes,. If these protections were meant to protect the innocent, then why the FUCK does America incarcerate more innocent people than ANY OTHER first world country...
Oh, and about biased judges? Until we have ACTUAL robots passing down judgements and sentences, we're stuck with human beings who are by definition 'biased'...rule of law is in place to ameliorate the effects of bias...
I'm an Atheist, but was brought up in Mormonism.........and even WE thought those Scientology fuckers were some crazy sumbitches........
I don't know, at least Scientology didn't raise an actual army (i.e. The Nauvoo Legion) to overthrow the federal government and set up Joseph Smith as a theocratic dictator.
No, the SeaOrg doesn't count.
Sounds about right. I'm old enough to remember when airports were wide open and the Hare Krishna morons would be at the gates grifting. I had two cousins that went on missions. One to Taiwan, the other to Thailand. One came back able to speak Mandarin......the other came back with an STD......
If you substitute Republican Party for Church of Scientology here you could just run it up to the Supreme Court for a favorable ruling.
(Apologies for riding my hobby horse all over the comments this morning. I've been doing this for 30 years, and I'm still triggered..)
We'll allow it.
That Scientology is even considered a religion is an affront to all other religions.
That religion ITSELF is even allowed is an affront to all humanity
The use of the US legal system to trounce any opposition from ex-victims has reached a plateau of success with the "arbitration." The criminal organisation known as the "church" of $cientology has managed to convince far too many judges that civil law requires the ex-victims to be bound by the contract - contracts being very important for commercial law. At the same time, the same contracts are sacred religious texts which the same judges are forbidden from even reading, because first amendment and "church."
What a circus.
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Scientology is such bullshit and run by truly horrible people. If they all fell off the face of the Earth, it would be a great start.
This is fucked up in so many ways...
FWIW, California courts have routinely thrown out one-sided arbitration clauses like this. The leading case is Graham v. Scissor-Tail, where the California Supremes ruled that Bill Graham did not have to arbitrate his dispute with Leon Russell before an arbitrator provided by the American Federation of Musicians (Russell’s Union). (Please insert Leon Russell lyric witticism here.)
Loves me some Leon Russell.......I played a recording of "A song for you" to my wife on our first anniversary........still going strong after all these years........and now it's a tradition. I cry every time......
What is this case about? What was Leon's involvement?
Graham and Russell agreed to a series of concerts. One of the concerts lost money. Graham said Russell should bear the loss without offset, Russell said the loss was Graham’s problem without offset.
I'm curious why they have a cross on their building.
It's religious doctrine or ideology is a patchwork of unadulterated BS cobbled together from sci-fi and armchair psychology/pseudo science, with some equally low-rent metaphysics (hence the symbols) thrown in for good measure. The only thing even remotely original about it is how brazenly insincere and fraudulent it all is. Hubbard himself makes perfectly clear in his writings that he never actually believed in it as anything other than a money-making scam-cum-personal power trip.
Evil people like to hide behind violent symbols.
Me too
It is NOT a church it is a CULT. How do people keep falling for this shit? I don't know this 16 yo girl's background but dayum how did you get there in the first place. TAX THEM TO EXTINCTION.
Or, sue them into oblivion.
She was born into the cult, her parents literally gave her to them.
JFC she needs to sue her parents.
And John Travolta and Tom Cruise.
Just for the record, and I suspect you feel similarly, I don't think that tax policy should be used as a weapon against disfavored groups.
I do think criminal law should be used against criminals, though.
They have obliterated the line between church/state/politics. They want to act like a business and abuse the system then tax them.
I'm going to guess her parents were cultists and she was born into it. They also would not be the first set of biological DNA donors to either not care what happens to their offspring or actively urge them to destroy themselves to advance their DNA donors.
The poor girl probably never stood a chance.
She was, and they send the kids off to be slaves on their ship. She tried running away but they caught her.
How do you make the distinction?
Ha! With the majority there is none and that's being generous since I'm agnostic.
Weather it's a church or cult either way tax them to extinction. Or atleast enough to fund recovery and cult/church exit groups.
Even the IRS is afraid of this organization. They started to investigate and got so harassed they stopped.
I will never forget the perfect timing of my Mormon coworker when we were looking out of the new We Work office window that overlooked the SF Scientology office and I said, "hey let's go mess with the Scientologists ,Jonathan." And he takes a sip of his beverage and said, "And they say my religion is weird"
IRS needs to grow a set and do their fucking job.
and the FBI. Documents disappearing at police forces, like the LAPD, has gone past the levels where it is suspect..
Remember when another religion wanted to establish a religious "court" and the local mayor and the media had a mini-meltdown about "OMG, Sharia Law? We cannot have that!" https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/jul/16/chain-email/chain-email-muslims-tried-open-nations-first-shari/