an immigrant child whose entire culture disappeared 400 years ago because they couldn't hack it in this country
One of the theories about what happened to the lost colony is they said "Hey, those Indians sure aren't starving and freezing to death, they look like they got a handle on it, let's go beg for their mercy". Which means Virginia Dare and the rest of them would be guilty of the crime of... *clutches pearls, stage whispers* miscegenation!! So, still an ironic name for a bunch little-n nazis, just in a different way.
Fair enough. It's just that a) at this point, any 'moderate' Repubs that haven't run away from that steaming pile of stench can be safely deemed a collaborating Trumpist and is beyond help. And b) all I see from that side of the aisle is disingenuous slander, and it's from not just Huckabee-Sanders or Trump. "We" let them turn 'liberal' into a slur, and they're actively working on the word 'Democrat'.
I'm not against building consensus - heck, I'm on the board of a NPO, getting things done is all about consensus, but convince me that reaching across to the likes of Mitch McConnell or Steve King or Paul LePage is worth it and I'll reconsider. In the meantime, I'd rather spend my time & energy (re)activating disenfranchised voters. Remember how many stayed home or wrote in "Bernie Sanders"?
(Funny you mention Al Franken, lookit where he is now....)
I agree with most of this (and I'm often called a troll on liberal boards because I disagree but I think it is important to voice disagreement in these communities) but blacks and advocates are capable of overcrying oppression. In the examples above, those are all examples of racism, but a problem in this country is that particularly on college campuses, there can be overreactions to perceived problems of racism which aren't solution-oriented. I could cite the Evergreen State but most people know that's particularly out of hand so how about University of Missouri and this article: https://www.theamericancons...
I personally think not being an entirely accurate barometer of racism in your accusations can be damaging. As I said in another post, you can call attention to how someone legitimizes institutional racism without directing hateful energy towards them.
Not arguing for or against your "the world is full of low-key white supremacists" thesis but I don't think the 2016 election revealed as much about that as you're stating. they just picked what they saw as the better of two bad options and were duped by a lot of misinformation. voting for someone isn't an endorsement of all their views, come on, you guys are smarter than that.
I'll freely admit that sexism played into it with Hillary, and obviously, I'm pissed that those people voted for such a POS, but to call everyone who voted for him racism is just a massive oversimplification that does nobody any favors
Hey, you told me to fuck off, I just thought I'd return the favor. It wasn't an effort to be hateful.
I'm not in favor of any NRA-appointed politicians and I vote democratic every time. Obviously, I'm not pleased with any of those mass shootings. I'm saying the way to accomplish those goals is to win the hearts of people in the middle which means taking away hateful rhetoric.
I'm with Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin and Beto O'Rourke and John Kerry and Barney Frank and Al Franken and pretty much every member of Congress who has to reach across the aisle all the time and embraces it. The definition of a politician is someone who reaches consensus. Barack Obama was pretty bipartisan. Those guys are great politicians because they talk about solutions
I'm the hateful one? I'm the one running down protesters during a peaceful counter-demonstration? I'm the one mailing pipe bombs to opposition leaders? I'm the one shooting Jews praying in a synagogue? I'm the one shooting women practicing yoga?
Fuck aisle-reaching. You've gotten nowhere and you're gonna get nowhere.
If you're actually on "the same team" as I am, you'd be for restoring the VRA, drawing up fairer voting districts, making all voting machines open-source with a verifiable paper trail, expanding early and absentee voting, striking down voter ID laws (or at the very least, make IDs free and easy to get) and automatic voter registration for all.
So you fuck off first. You have no idea which team I'm on, and you're sure as fuck not on my team.
Fuck off to you too. Good luck winning elections with your hateful strategy. And sad as it may be to admit, me and my aisle-reaching philosophy is working for the same team as you are
I dont think its useful at all. The way liberals want to use the term racist is generally academically condescending, demonizing and creates divisions. I have trouble believing you genuinely want to reach across the aisle when you pull out the youre racist card. You can call attention to how someone legitimizes institutional racism without directing hateful energy towards them. I guarantee you, you will never sway any undecided voters by yelling at them about the microaggressions theyre committing. Theyre too busy thinking about their own lives
Well not everythimg I write is am argument or a statement that the other person is wrong. I was just saying that it seems like some flimsy evidence. I have since been shown some evidence I am quite wrong indeed. I did tour the site once so I remember no one bringing it up then
The Mouth of Sauron.
Vodka with Miracle Whip or GTFO
an immigrant child whose entire culture disappeared 400 years ago because they couldn't hack it in this country
One of the theories about what happened to the lost colony is they said "Hey, those Indians sure aren't starving and freezing to death, they look like they got a handle on it, let's go beg for their mercy". Which means Virginia Dare and the rest of them would be guilty of the crime of... *clutches pearls, stage whispers* miscegenation!! So, still an ironic name for a bunch little-n nazis, just in a different way.
I'm saying youre right I'm wrong. Its not even important to me I'm just saying I was taught differently but I think I'm wrong now
I'm glad that we had an exchange that was not as hateful as I didn't mean to be hateful towards you.
I agree with you on points A and B
On Al Franken, yeah, well, when he was in office, he was good at reaching across the aisle.
Mitch McConnell is one of the most terrible and amoral people alive and I would love to see him out or removed from senate majority leader ASAP
Oh also: a great way to 'win the hearts of people in the middle' is to stand up for your principles. Just sayin'.
Fair enough. It's just that a) at this point, any 'moderate' Repubs that haven't run away from that steaming pile of stench can be safely deemed a collaborating Trumpist and is beyond help. And b) all I see from that side of the aisle is disingenuous slander, and it's from not just Huckabee-Sanders or Trump. "We" let them turn 'liberal' into a slur, and they're actively working on the word 'Democrat'.
I'm not against building consensus - heck, I'm on the board of a NPO, getting things done is all about consensus, but convince me that reaching across to the likes of Mitch McConnell or Steve King or Paul LePage is worth it and I'll reconsider. In the meantime, I'd rather spend my time & energy (re)activating disenfranchised voters. Remember how many stayed home or wrote in "Bernie Sanders"?
(Funny you mention Al Franken, lookit where he is now....)
I agree with most of this (and I'm often called a troll on liberal boards because I disagree but I think it is important to voice disagreement in these communities) but blacks and advocates are capable of overcrying oppression. In the examples above, those are all examples of racism, but a problem in this country is that particularly on college campuses, there can be overreactions to perceived problems of racism which aren't solution-oriented. I could cite the Evergreen State but most people know that's particularly out of hand so how about University of Missouri and this article: https://www.theamericancons...
I personally think not being an entirely accurate barometer of racism in your accusations can be damaging. As I said in another post, you can call attention to how someone legitimizes institutional racism without directing hateful energy towards them.
Not arguing for or against your "the world is full of low-key white supremacists" thesis but I don't think the 2016 election revealed as much about that as you're stating. they just picked what they saw as the better of two bad options and were duped by a lot of misinformation. voting for someone isn't an endorsement of all their views, come on, you guys are smarter than that.
I'll freely admit that sexism played into it with Hillary, and obviously, I'm pissed that those people voted for such a POS, but to call everyone who voted for him racism is just a massive oversimplification that does nobody any favors
ok, I just remember touring roanoake Island, I'm wrong
Hey, you told me to fuck off, I just thought I'd return the favor. It wasn't an effort to be hateful.
I'm not in favor of any NRA-appointed politicians and I vote democratic every time. Obviously, I'm not pleased with any of those mass shootings. I'm saying the way to accomplish those goals is to win the hearts of people in the middle which means taking away hateful rhetoric.
I'm with Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin and Beto O'Rourke and John Kerry and Barney Frank and Al Franken and pretty much every member of Congress who has to reach across the aisle all the time and embraces it. The definition of a politician is someone who reaches consensus. Barack Obama was pretty bipartisan. Those guys are great politicians because they talk about solutions
I'm the hateful one? I'm the one running down protesters during a peaceful counter-demonstration? I'm the one mailing pipe bombs to opposition leaders? I'm the one shooting Jews praying in a synagogue? I'm the one shooting women practicing yoga?
Fuck aisle-reaching. You've gotten nowhere and you're gonna get nowhere.
If you're actually on "the same team" as I am, you'd be for restoring the VRA, drawing up fairer voting districts, making all voting machines open-source with a verifiable paper trail, expanding early and absentee voting, striking down voter ID laws (or at the very least, make IDs free and easy to get) and automatic voter registration for all.
So you fuck off first. You have no idea which team I'm on, and you're sure as fuck not on my team.
Fuck off to you too. Good luck winning elections with your hateful strategy. And sad as it may be to admit, me and my aisle-reaching philosophy is working for the same team as you are
Fuck off. No reaching across the aisle to Nazis. No giving inches to fuckwits who take a mile. No tolerance to intolerants.
And yes, I'm talking to you. Fuck off with your both-siderism.
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I dont think its useful at all. The way liberals want to use the term racist is generally academically condescending, demonizing and creates divisions. I have trouble believing you genuinely want to reach across the aisle when you pull out the youre racist card. You can call attention to how someone legitimizes institutional racism without directing hateful energy towards them. I guarantee you, you will never sway any undecided voters by yelling at them about the microaggressions theyre committing. Theyre too busy thinking about their own lives
Well not everythimg I write is am argument or a statement that the other person is wrong. I was just saying that it seems like some flimsy evidence. I have since been shown some evidence I am quite wrong indeed. I did tour the site once so I remember no one bringing it up then