L: Tony Stark, CEO of Stark Industries. R: Jim Kirk, recent washout from Starfleet Academy Everything remains crazy at the Los Angeles Times, where just over a week ago, the newsroom voted to unionize, and in an unrelated development, the frat boy in charge of the money side was placed on leave. Underneath all that has been several years of turmoil, with the LA Times owners, tronc (uncapitalized like k.d. lang, WHOM THEY ARE NOT) trying to bust the baby union and making sinister-sounding business moves. It's possible to do digital and newspaper stuff
the mighty and the high shall never be silenced!!...and neither shall the never agains, it is not a temporary promise, but an eternal hope...hope all is ok, LMH&M
Be well, mfp#We just got up, we will check our comment thread agin today and we are hoping and praying this isn't a delete from WonketteWe've always had good relations with admin. there but the past 2 daze we have been deleted and my comment history has been manipulated somehw.Really, really, appreciate your wonderful supportive encouragement.We guess one of us here tried to break through the echi chamber, conformist, "yes (wo)man standard n the comments.Maybe it was too challenging.Anycase we cannot find any rules violation and since some of the comments are missing we cannot 100% confirm this.Maybe Comment Monitor found something (s)he didn't like.Maybe we were flagged too much , we do not know yet.Please feel free to contact us through older comment threads- so as to not cause friction with our co-commentors.We wrote to the Editrix and Staff on this and are awaiting their word on what is up with our threads.Maybe we were somehow hacked on this end.
We are an open, tolerant, supportive and optimistic group of prankster/ Consume avoiders (do not know the English/American term). We wer so happy to have your loving post and hope to have further communications with you.As for our less-than-supportiive co commentors (monitors?)We will not be posting anything fresh- at least for a while .Be welll, mfp# neveragainWe hope to be your frinedsSchalom, Peace Salaam, Frieden, pace, Mir, Paix, Pas, andLoveLMH&M and cops we loves yu.
maybe you were hacked or disqus is acting crazy...it happens on a regular basis (disqus crazy)....i have never seen anything in your comments that should cause you to be banned or flagged too much...in fact, i find you to mostly be funny, quirky and thoughtful...i am about to go to sleep, as i am an evening and midnites shift worker, and it is 630am central american time here...see you again later, LMH&M
who the fuck thought up 'tronc' - uncapitalized, in particular - was a good idea for a biz name? It looks like a typo, especially without a capital "T" and in any case, sounds like some slang I would have to embarrassingly ask to have explained to me by some nice gay man and/or gaming nerd.
Unfortunately I as someone that played a bit part in the rise of the current Internet and has followed its effect on society with much interest needs to at least chide you for ignoring the elephant in the room when it comes to the current state of the newspaper industry. What I'm speaking of is how much of the income of a newspaper came from display and classified advertising, an income stream that relied on their near-lock on that market. That income stream is for the most part ***GONE*** and WILL NOT RETURN.
It took, for instance, the NY Times more than a decade and a seriously sleazy deal with a sleazy Mexican businessman (Carlos Slim) to start routinely admitting in their coverage of the industry that this was the root cause of the current travails.
It's my opinion that no solution to the current travails of the industry that does not address the loss of this income will ever succeed. Yeah, a few name-brand papers such as the NY Times and the WaPo are adapting and (hopefully!!!!) surviving. But the future for the papers held by the likes of tronc, Gannett, McClatchy, and the like will be full of lots more gyrations like those at the LA Times.
Another part of that equation involves the corporate takeover of family-owned newspapers. One you introduce the short-term and deleterious effect of the quarter profit margin, the long game dies.
For good or ill, the family-owned newspaper could be immune to the whims of powerful advertisers, and certainly Wall Street. Also, many a small newspaper had the cash cow called adjudication, those expensive "legals" that everyone from little people to the big people had to pay for by the inch.
But like any industry taken over by corporate America, first on the chopping block will be the high paid skilled workers, along with product quality. Why should I pay for crap merchandise, anymore? I could never convince the executives that putting out a bad product would kill profits. That's simple doo-dah economics.
Unfortunately I have to disagree with you fairly strongly.
No newspaper - big or small, national or very local - is immune to the loss of income from classifieds in an area that Craigslist (or an equivalent) operates. NO ONE. Period. They were a very profitable cash cow. Nor are they immune from their ad income being taken away by a merchant's online presence, targeted ads via Google, or the like.
I think you're romanticizing family ownership here. Do you have examples of current successes??
Those family-owned papers gave up control for good reasons, whether cashing out, wanting a corporate parent with deep pockets to weather a down time, or whatever. The paper in my Missouri home town sold out to Gannett in part because they got into trouble financing a new modern printing plant if my memory serves (was in the late 60's when I was a kid).
the mighty and the high shall never be silenced!!...and neither shall the never agains, it is not a temporary promise, but an eternal hope...hope all is ok, LMH&M
Be well, mfp#We just got up, we will check our comment thread agin today and we are hoping and praying this isn't a delete from WonketteWe've always had good relations with admin. there but the past 2 daze we have been deleted and my comment history has been manipulated somehw.Really, really, appreciate your wonderful supportive encouragement.We guess one of us here tried to break through the echi chamber, conformist, "yes (wo)man standard n the comments.Maybe it was too challenging.Anycase we cannot find any rules violation and since some of the comments are missing we cannot 100% confirm this.Maybe Comment Monitor found something (s)he didn't like.Maybe we were flagged too much , we do not know yet.Please feel free to contact us through older comment threads- so as to not cause friction with our co-commentors.We wrote to the Editrix and Staff on this and are awaiting their word on what is up with our threads.Maybe we were somehow hacked on this end.
We are an open, tolerant, supportive and optimistic group of prankster/ Consume avoiders (do not know the English/American term). We wer so happy to have your loving post and hope to have further communications with you.As for our less-than-supportiive co commentors (monitors?)We will not be posting anything fresh- at least for a while .Be welll, mfp# neveragainWe hope to be your frinedsSchalom, Peace Salaam, Frieden, pace, Mir, Paix, Pas, andLoveLMH&M and cops we loves yu.
maybe you were hacked or disqus is acting crazy...it happens on a regular basis (disqus crazy)....i have never seen anything in your comments that should cause you to be banned or flagged too much...in fact, i find you to mostly be funny, quirky and thoughtful...i am about to go to sleep, as i am an evening and midnites shift worker, and it is 630am central american time here...see you again later, LMH&M
Only until you open your own restaurant, then you stack paper by paying your workers squat.
How's it feel to be an asshole, Niedermyer?
who the fuck thought up 'tronc' - uncapitalized, in particular - was a good idea for a biz name? It looks like a typo, especially without a capital "T" and in any case, sounds like some slang I would have to embarrassingly ask to have explained to me by some nice gay man and/or gaming nerd.
That's the point. If you have to ask, you're not cool enough to know.
He deleted it.
*hangs head, feeling uncool*
i gave up on the tribune in the 90's.
well, except for the theatre reviews.
The McNamara brothers had the right idea:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...
Disclaimer: DO NOT actually bomb a newspaper building, or any other building.
Unfortunately I as someone that played a bit part in the rise of the current Internet and has followed its effect on society with much interest needs to at least chide you for ignoring the elephant in the room when it comes to the current state of the newspaper industry. What I'm speaking of is how much of the income of a newspaper came from display and classified advertising, an income stream that relied on their near-lock on that market. That income stream is for the most part ***GONE*** and WILL NOT RETURN.
It took, for instance, the NY Times more than a decade and a seriously sleazy deal with a sleazy Mexican businessman (Carlos Slim) to start routinely admitting in their coverage of the industry that this was the root cause of the current travails.
It's my opinion that no solution to the current travails of the industry that does not address the loss of this income will ever succeed. Yeah, a few name-brand papers such as the NY Times and the WaPo are adapting and (hopefully!!!!) surviving. But the future for the papers held by the likes of tronc, Gannett, McClatchy, and the like will be full of lots more gyrations like those at the LA Times.
I wish I had some magic answer. I do not. Sigh.
this is a haiku, right?...nice!
Another part of that equation involves the corporate takeover of family-owned newspapers. One you introduce the short-term and deleterious effect of the quarter profit margin, the long game dies.
For good or ill, the family-owned newspaper could be immune to the whims of powerful advertisers, and certainly Wall Street. Also, many a small newspaper had the cash cow called adjudication, those expensive "legals" that everyone from little people to the big people had to pay for by the inch.
But like any industry taken over by corporate America, first on the chopping block will be the high paid skilled workers, along with product quality. Why should I pay for crap merchandise, anymore? I could never convince the executives that putting out a bad product would kill profits. That's simple doo-dah economics.
Unfortunately I have to disagree with you fairly strongly.
No newspaper - big or small, national or very local - is immune to the loss of income from classifieds in an area that Craigslist (or an equivalent) operates. NO ONE. Period. They were a very profitable cash cow. Nor are they immune from their ad income being taken away by a merchant's online presence, targeted ads via Google, or the like.
I think you're romanticizing family ownership here. Do you have examples of current successes??
Those family-owned papers gave up control for good reasons, whether cashing out, wanting a corporate parent with deep pockets to weather a down time, or whatever. The paper in my Missouri home town sold out to Gannett in part because they got into trouble financing a new modern printing plant if my memory serves (was in the late 60's when I was a kid).
Whereupon the barfly said, "Typewriter? You're still using a typewriter?? No wonder you're in here drinking!"
(Sorry, couldn't resist.)