Coming soon to a Red State near you- the all-new, improved Fugitive Uterus Law, chasing pregnant women from state to state to enforce cruel and stupid Forced Birth Laws. Imagine a frightened primapara stumbling from ice floe to ice floe across the Ohio river from God's Country (Kentucky) to the heathen haven of Illinois, with bloodhounds baying and armed Right To Life volunteer deputies hot on her trail. Will she make it? Will she find shelter or armed defense against the goons chasing her? Tune in next year to see.
I'm sorry those doing legitimate good for women who have made the choice to give birth are getting fucked over by this funding decision, but you lie down with dogs...
>> It’s one thing to fund something like a maternity home filled with pregnant women who genuinely want to have a baby but can’t otherwise afford care, providing that it isn’t as sketchy as many of them have been known to be. <<
Sketchy? St. Mary Magdalene's Excessively Generous Roof Over the Heads of Biblical Jezebels is sketchy?
Wash out your mouth with soap, at 4am, before you mop the floors and prep the kitchen for the cook. And be done with all that by 10 to 6, because you're due at Primes. I'll be checking on you after breakfast, and there will be hell to pay after Terce prayers if the cook tells me you missed the skin on a single potato!
like slavery in the old south, they're being taught "life skills" that will benefit them after they give birth and we kick them out with no support (except calling them whores).
I feel like calling Yellowhammer an abortion rights group is doing them a disservice. Abortion rights groups tend to be a great way for white ladies to get their bar tabs covered without their husbands seeing the bill. They soak up grants and hire temp workers at $10/hr to generate their deliverables, then they throw gala fundraisers (that don't raise any actual funds) to give each other awards and speaking fees. They also go to the Capitol once or twice a year to "lobby" ineffectively for whatever.
Yellowhammer is a fund that does the actual work and helps real people.
I don't know anything about them, but it sounds like they're a provider, not a lobby group. The only thing I'd tell you to look at is how they're spending the money. If it's spent on improving patient care/access or to provide free/subsidized care, they're legit. If it's spent advancing a cause, you might want to check their 990 or that of their fiscal sponsor if they're small.
I did donate to some groups, whose names I don't recall ATM, who were assisting women from apartheid states in obtaining out of state medical care. I'd like to support that.
I always recommend donating to abortion funds in red states (but you know I may be biased), and I've recently learned that abortion funds in blue states need help for the abortion refugees they're serving. Talk to your fiancee about identifying low barrier assistance, and send your money there.
My point is that lobbying groups tend to be a bunch of grifters. Yellowhammer is a pro-choice group, and are not grifters. Maybe you need to reread what I said in the first place. I stand by it.
Some of us discussed this last night, and the general consensus was that this guy is fulla shit and about to whack his head on the Commerce Clause (which includes medical care as commerce). He has absolutely no right to restrict Americans from crossing state borders, per federal laws.
I expressed a hope that the first case he takes would be to target someone in California because Gavin Newsom would be all over that shit. In fact, he may be filing his canines as we speak.
I have been wondering whether Wickard v. Filburn is still considered valid precedent, because it established that Congress can regulate intrastate activities that have an effect on interstate commerce. If so, those Texas localities forbidding the use of local roads to transport women seeking abortion in another state would be bumping up against the Commerce clause.
The repubs goal is to have border stations and airport "security" stations where all women will have to pee on a stick to prove that they aren't pregnant. Otherwise, no go for you, dear.
I can tell you what'll happen in my state. Shitheads in tacticool camo with AR-15's will hang around the freeway rest areas and casually strike up conversations with any reproductive-age-looking women they see.
The usual, you know. Where you coming from? Where you heading? Pregnant?
"For 30 years now, both Democrats and Republicans in the state have agreed to provide funding for so-called “Crisis Pregnancy Centers” — anti-abortion centers known to masquerade as actual abortion clinics in the hopes that those with unwanted pregnancies will end up there by accident and be talked out of having an abortion."
I always wondered how those centres were funded. Appalled by not surprised that they got state funding, but very glad that the governor is cutting them off. Long overdue.
Some places get federal funds which are given to states which them give them out to centers. I heard that this morning on NPR. So the states fucking around is doing it.
Some Texas cities are hellbent to ban the use of their roads to facilitate (i.e. drive) women to get an abortion somewhere else. Roads to airports and to bordering state are in their sights. Did I say "in their sights"? A couple cities have already enacted such bans.
I am mystified how they think such a ban could be enforced though I assume ferocious fetus-sniffing dogs will be involved.
"trafficking" for fucks sake. While it has long been known that the Cult of the Sacred Fetus has no shame nor a hinge among the lot of them, TRAFFICKING. Next thing you know, Underground Railroad people will be labelled "terrorists", thus obviating the need for fussing with trials, charges or evidence.
I would refuse to travel there if my company asked me to do so and would happily tell them EXACTLY WHY.
I also would actively work to withhold contracts for partner organizations for our company in places that are doing these things and would again say why. "We don't want to work in a place where women have no rights and where guns are EVERYWHERE. We are NOT SAFE."
When Colorado legalized teh weedz, I remember reading that Kansas and Nebraska state troopers lined up to pull over cars coming out of Colorado, looking for pot. The son of a friend of mine got nailed in South Dakota, coming back from a pot-buying trip to Colorado.
Lil Bro lived in Houston. Came home to Ohio once a year to visit. Straight up through Texas until he hit 70, then turned right. As soon as he hit the Ohio border, he set the cruise control one mph under the speed limit and scrupulously used his turn signal for lane changes.
He still got pulled over. Single guy in a pickup with out of state plates? We'll just sit here on the side of the freeway and wait for the drug-sniffing dog.
That's where Texas plates and accent work against you. I've got Minnesota plates and can lay on the thickest "Fargo" drawl imaginable, like Sarah Palin on Robitussin.
After about five minutes of "Oh yah, is dat de Ford interceptor you got dere wit da performance package? I hear dat one's real nice,good in snow, too;" they can't get rid of me fast enough.
The agreement that states would not impede travel to other states was actually entered into while they were still colonies, part of the Articles of Association by the First Continental Congress, carried over into the Articles of Confederation and then the Constitution.
Right. I think the difference is that the tissue remains after a D&C will be properly handled in the state where it occurred (likely in a medical grade incinerator or tissue digester.) I do not know of any women going out of state to have an abortion who will want to take home the tissue as a memento of the occasion.
Coming soon to a Red State near you- the all-new, improved Fugitive Uterus Law, chasing pregnant women from state to state to enforce cruel and stupid Forced Birth Laws. Imagine a frightened primapara stumbling from ice floe to ice floe across the Ohio river from God's Country (Kentucky) to the heathen haven of Illinois, with bloodhounds baying and armed Right To Life volunteer deputies hot on her trail. Will she make it? Will she find shelter or armed defense against the goons chasing her? Tune in next year to see.
I'm sorry those doing legitimate good for women who have made the choice to give birth are getting fucked over by this funding decision, but you lie down with dogs...
Alabama: states rights states rights states rights
Roe overturned
Alabama: prosecutorial authority over the whole country
weird.
Hey now, they're pursuing their right to enforce their laws on any state they want!
It's under the principle of "I do what I want and you do what I want"
now THAT is a state right.
Fetuses in a cooler and a "chilling effect on free speech." I see what you did there...
>> It’s one thing to fund something like a maternity home filled with pregnant women who genuinely want to have a baby but can’t otherwise afford care, providing that it isn’t as sketchy as many of them have been known to be. <<
Sketchy? St. Mary Magdalene's Excessively Generous Roof Over the Heads of Biblical Jezebels is sketchy?
Wash out your mouth with soap, at 4am, before you mop the floors and prep the kitchen for the cook. And be done with all that by 10 to 6, because you're due at Primes. I'll be checking on you after breakfast, and there will be hell to pay after Terce prayers if the cook tells me you missed the skin on a single potato!
like slavery in the old south, they're being taught "life skills" that will benefit them after they give birth and we kick them out with no support (except calling them whores).
Well, they started out rehabbing prostitutes. In the 60's, their definition of loose women got a lot looser.
I feel like calling Yellowhammer an abortion rights group is doing them a disservice. Abortion rights groups tend to be a great way for white ladies to get their bar tabs covered without their husbands seeing the bill. They soak up grants and hire temp workers at $10/hr to generate their deliverables, then they throw gala fundraisers (that don't raise any actual funds) to give each other awards and speaking fees. They also go to the Capitol once or twice a year to "lobby" ineffectively for whatever.
Yellowhammer is a fund that does the actual work and helps real people.
I gave to the Emma Goldman clinic in Iowa; please tell me I'm not throwing my money away.
I don't know anything about them, but it sounds like they're a provider, not a lobby group. The only thing I'd tell you to look at is how they're spending the money. If it's spent on improving patient care/access or to provide free/subsidized care, they're legit. If it's spent advancing a cause, you might want to check their 990 or that of their fiscal sponsor if they're small.
I did donate to some groups, whose names I don't recall ATM, who were assisting women from apartheid states in obtaining out of state medical care. I'd like to support that.
That's what Millennial Offspring does for a living. They talked to zyxomma about it last year.
I'll ask Zyx, thanks Granny. You coming north this year?
I won't be, and I'll be sad about it.
Thanks.
Any tips on where my meagre donation bucks can make the most difference?
I always recommend donating to abortion funds in red states (but you know I may be biased), and I've recently learned that abortion funds in blue states need help for the abortion refugees they're serving. Talk to your fiancee about identifying low barrier assistance, and send your money there.
You aren't.
Ummmmm.....what? Have you lost your damn mind? I send money to NARAL and PP on the regular. They have yet to pick up a bar tab for me.
I though a NARAL was a whale unicorn...
If I've lost my damn mind, my doctor is yet to notify me of it.
I love you dearly. But this seems a bit uncharacteristic. Last I checked pro-choice groups are not ladies who lunch.
Yes, the Susan G. Komen ladies are always perfectly put together for their lunches.
(breast cancer awareness)
Oddly, breast cancer awareness has nothing to do with the pro choice movement.
Absolutely does. Susan G. and pregnancy awareness groups are both more into sizzle than steak.
I certainly hope that speaking truth is not against my character.
So your point is that pro-choice groups are just a bunch of grifters?
My point is that lobbying groups tend to be a bunch of grifters. Yellowhammer is a pro-choice group, and are not grifters. Maybe you need to reread what I said in the first place. I stand by it.
Some of us discussed this last night, and the general consensus was that this guy is fulla shit and about to whack his head on the Commerce Clause (which includes medical care as commerce). He has absolutely no right to restrict Americans from crossing state borders, per federal laws.
I expressed a hope that the first case he takes would be to target someone in California because Gavin Newsom would be all over that shit. In fact, he may be filing his canines as we speak.
I have been wondering whether Wickard v. Filburn is still considered valid precedent, because it established that Congress can regulate intrastate activities that have an effect on interstate commerce. If so, those Texas localities forbidding the use of local roads to transport women seeking abortion in another state would be bumping up against the Commerce clause.
This sounds good, but look at how long farting around with the barrier in the Rio Grande is taking.
all those choices . . . and they settled on Mittens.
The repubs goal is to have border stations and airport "security" stations where all women will have to pee on a stick to prove that they aren't pregnant. Otherwise, no go for you, dear.
I can tell you what'll happen in my state. Shitheads in tacticool camo with AR-15's will hang around the freeway rest areas and casually strike up conversations with any reproductive-age-looking women they see.
The usual, you know. Where you coming from? Where you heading? Pregnant?
When merchandise is worth more than the life of a pregnant woman.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/01/ohio-police-shooting-pregnant-black-woman-ta-kiya-young
She threatened a cop with her car, the article says. Police don't play, and everyone should know that.
Next, we have to find out if she actually threatened the police with her car. That hasn't quite been established to the family's satisfaction yet.
I guess the fact that she refused to get out of the car, and started driving right at a police officer, is irrelevant.
Yeah...this has been a thing...rage and tears
"For 30 years now, both Democrats and Republicans in the state have agreed to provide funding for so-called “Crisis Pregnancy Centers” — anti-abortion centers known to masquerade as actual abortion clinics in the hopes that those with unwanted pregnancies will end up there by accident and be talked out of having an abortion."
I always wondered how those centres were funded. Appalled by not surprised that they got state funding, but very glad that the governor is cutting them off. Long overdue.
Some places get federal funds which are given to states which them give them out to centers. I heard that this morning on NPR. So the states fucking around is doing it.
Some Texas cities are hellbent to ban the use of their roads to facilitate (i.e. drive) women to get an abortion somewhere else. Roads to airports and to bordering state are in their sights. Did I say "in their sights"? A couple cities have already enacted such bans.
I am mystified how they think such a ban could be enforced though I assume ferocious fetus-sniffing dogs will be involved.
https://www.tag24.com/topic/abortion-rights/anti-abortion-advocates-want-to-block-texas-highways-in-extreme-proposals-2941439
Mandatory ankle monitors for all pregnant women: coming soon to a Gilead near you
Texas giving me yet another reason to never spend any of my tourism dollars in that state.
Nope.
No way.
Not going to do it.
https://wapo.st/3L6AGWn
Thank you for the gift link. This shit is scary.
"trafficking" for fucks sake. While it has long been known that the Cult of the Sacred Fetus has no shame nor a hinge among the lot of them, TRAFFICKING. Next thing you know, Underground Railroad people will be labelled "terrorists", thus obviating the need for fussing with trials, charges or evidence.
Yee-fucking-haw
Or my business travel.
I would refuse to travel there if my company asked me to do so and would happily tell them EXACTLY WHY.
I also would actively work to withhold contracts for partner organizations for our company in places that are doing these things and would again say why. "We don't want to work in a place where women have no rights and where guns are EVERYWHERE. We are NOT SAFE."
"Lady With Fetuses In Coolers Convicted, But Not For The Fetuses In The Coolers"
So now it's illeagle to make sammiches?
Alabama? Wait, I have an idea for a new Top Gear special...
Sucks to be in Alabama.
If this abortion travel conspiracy was enforceable they would’ve already done it with pot.
When Colorado legalized teh weedz, I remember reading that Kansas and Nebraska state troopers lined up to pull over cars coming out of Colorado, looking for pot. The son of a friend of mine got nailed in South Dakota, coming back from a pot-buying trip to Colorado.
So they've sort of done something like that.
Lil Bro lived in Houston. Came home to Ohio once a year to visit. Straight up through Texas until he hit 70, then turned right. As soon as he hit the Ohio border, he set the cruise control one mph under the speed limit and scrupulously used his turn signal for lane changes.
He still got pulled over. Single guy in a pickup with out of state plates? We'll just sit here on the side of the freeway and wait for the drug-sniffing dog.
That's where Texas plates and accent work against you. I've got Minnesota plates and can lay on the thickest "Fargo" drawl imaginable, like Sarah Palin on Robitussin.
After about five minutes of "Oh yah, is dat de Ford interceptor you got dere wit da performance package? I hear dat one's real nice,good in snow, too;" they can't get rid of me fast enough.
Busting someone from bringing contraband into your state or country that might be legal elsewhere is super common.
Busting someone from trying to leave your state to go to another part of the same country is extremely authoritarian, for lack of better words.
"Fascist" comes to mind, too
Sure is. It's antithetical to our entire Federal system, also and too. Kinda undoes the entire basis of the "Commerce Clause," among other things.
The agreement that states would not impede travel to other states was actually entered into while they were still colonies, part of the Articles of Association by the First Continental Congress, carried over into the Articles of Confederation and then the Constitution.
Right. I think the difference is that the tissue remains after a D&C will be properly handled in the state where it occurred (likely in a medical grade incinerator or tissue digester.) I do not know of any women going out of state to have an abortion who will want to take home the tissue as a memento of the occasion.
They weren’t nearly as motivated about pot as they are about uteruses.
A lot of them like pot.