You sure do seem to be unable to let this go, though.
I’m not sure why you think this makes him look better. *Nine years ago*, he apologized to *one* of who knows how many women—one—*years* after the original harm that helped end her career, and now he can’t include the words “I’m sorry” in a statement that is meant to be a public apology to all of them? For behavior that dates back to the *90s*?
And the woman that forgave him left comedy in part because of his behavior. Did he offer to compensate her for lost income? Help her find a way back? Did you even look a the links I sent you? Not being in the public eye is not punishment or atonement. Most people are not in the public eye. He needs to do more to repair the harm he caused before attempting a comeback. He traumatized people and hurt careers, all while using the pain men cause women in his very successful comedy career.
By the way, Schachter may have forgiven him, but she clearly doesn’t think this is worth forgetting or dropping or letting go, because she went public along with women who *didn’t* get an apology.
I don’t know if you saw the article about the women who saw him perform his little comeback set. But the ones who were interviewed were not happy to have his appearance sprung on them, and felt uncomfortable to stay and watch, and yet unable to leave. Plus, the set included a joke about a fucking rape whistle. So it sounds to me like he had learned *nothing*.
Look, I appreciate that you think this statement is a lot, considering others in this situation have refused to admit guilt. But consider that perhaps your bar is too low, and that just because CK did one thing more than the others doesn’t mean it is enough.
I'm not trying to force you to do anything. If you want to stay mad at LCK until you're in the grave, that's your right.
"In 2009, six years after their phone call, Ms. Schachner received a Facebook message from Louis C.K., apologizing. “Last time I talked to you ended in a sordid fashion,” he wrote in the message, which was reviewed by The Times. “That was a bad time in my life and I’m sorry.” He added that he had seen some of Ms. Schachner’s comedy and thought she was funny. “I remember thinking what a repulsive person I was being by responding the way that I did,” he wrote.
Ms. Schachner accepted his apology and told him she forgave him. But the original interaction left her deeply dispirited, she said, and was one of the things that discouraged her from pursuing comedy."
(I don’t think it’s true. His net worth is somewhere around $35 mil. If you manage that well, you can easily live on it for the rest of your life. Most people never see that much in their lives.)
If a man came up to me after whipping his dick out in front of me *at work* and masturbating to completion, and he said “I have been remorseful for my actions,” I would not accept that apology. That is a weak-tea word salad that makes it sound like he is not currently remorseful, but was at some point maybe. I *am* remorseful. I *am* sorry. That’s what you say.
You seem to think all someone has to do is apologize and that’s it. The apology had to be accepted. The apologizer needs to make amends. That hasn’t happened here. And no matter how many times you block quote that self-aggrandizing overwritten piece of tripe in which CK spends almost as much time talking about how much he hurt his *manager* as his actual victims, you can’t make me accept it.
I don’t know what the fuck John McCain has to do with this. McCain doesn’t have to apologize for being pro-life and passing anti-choice legislation if that’s what his constituents wanted. I wasn’t one of those people lionizing him. Stay on topic or drop it.
The first sentence is: "I have been remorseful of my actions" which is the equivalent of "I'm sorry." The whole apology is full of "I should never have done this to begin with, and I wish I hadn't made these women uncomfortable."
I agree that we will not agree on this. I think he should have waited longer to come back on the public stage, but I don't know what his money situation is.
I get a kick out of watching half the people on Wonkette defend John McCain as a "hero" even though he was a well known misogynist, who called his wife a "cunt" in public, cheated on both of his wives, and was an all around dick who passed legislation for decades designed to harm women (he was always anti-choice), but a comedian who acted like an asshole can never show his face again in public. John McCain - harms millions of women for decades, and never apologizes, so he's a bipartisan hero. Comedian acts like an asshole, apologizes for it, but can never be welcomed back into society. Sure, that makes sense.
You somewhat belittle actually allegations or rape or molestation by calling them "stories." You certainly belittle actually allegations of rape by calling Al Franken's actions on his comedy tour "harassment." The woman he supposedly harassed accepted his apology and said he shouldn't have to resign over it. Other accusations against Franken were in fact Republican attacks, not actual accusations.
If thats your idea of fair, then forget it. Me Too can go jump in a lake. Emotional screeds and holier than thou righteousness don't justify the irrationally selective nature of Me Too eruptions. R Kelly was never touched by Me Too despite the fact that he's a notorious and serial statutory rapist and keeps a harem of mind controlled young girls. The guy married a 15 year old for god's sake! Al Franken must go but R Kelly can keep making albums and of course, all hail king Trump. Ludicrous. What good is a movements that can't do anything good for anybody accept the writers writing about it?
No, it really doesn’t. For one thing, the word *I* is in there a LOT. For another, not once do the words “I’m sorry” appear. It deflects blame onto his victims or his celebrity; he makes sure to mention their consent, which feels CYA.
He admitted it happened; it is a thoughtful statement and a more open admitting of wrongdoing than I’ve seen from pretty much anyone else I can think of. But to me? It doesn’t read like an apology. An admittance of guilt, yes, but not an apology.
You do not speak for Democrats when you say it is a joke and a scam, sorry buddy you are wrong here. The women where harassed and Franken fucking admitted that what he did was wrong and chose himself to resign because of what he did. Sorry that women being harassed upsets you, they don’t have to check with you first before coming out with their stories and your fucking attitude is why women don’t report anything in the first fucking place.
But you would be surprised at the number of people in this country who lack a little human decency or any at all. Empathy or sympathy is not their thing. They only feel something when it directly affects them because G*d forfend they have a global perspective.
You sure do seem to be unable to let this go, though.
I’m not sure why you think this makes him look better. *Nine years ago*, he apologized to *one* of who knows how many women—one—*years* after the original harm that helped end her career, and now he can’t include the words “I’m sorry” in a statement that is meant to be a public apology to all of them? For behavior that dates back to the *90s*?
And the woman that forgave him left comedy in part because of his behavior. Did he offer to compensate her for lost income? Help her find a way back? Did you even look a the links I sent you? Not being in the public eye is not punishment or atonement. Most people are not in the public eye. He needs to do more to repair the harm he caused before attempting a comeback. He traumatized people and hurt careers, all while using the pain men cause women in his very successful comedy career.
By the way, Schachter may have forgiven him, but she clearly doesn’t think this is worth forgetting or dropping or letting go, because she went public along with women who *didn’t* get an apology.
I don’t know if you saw the article about the women who saw him perform his little comeback set. But the ones who were interviewed were not happy to have his appearance sprung on them, and felt uncomfortable to stay and watch, and yet unable to leave. Plus, the set included a joke about a fucking rape whistle. So it sounds to me like he had learned *nothing*.
Look, I appreciate that you think this statement is a lot, considering others in this situation have refused to admit guilt. But consider that perhaps your bar is too low, and that just because CK did one thing more than the others doesn’t mean it is enough.
I'm not trying to force you to do anything. If you want to stay mad at LCK until you're in the grave, that's your right.
"In 2009, six years after their phone call, Ms. Schachner received a Facebook message from Louis C.K., apologizing. “Last time I talked to you ended in a sordid fashion,” he wrote in the message, which was reviewed by The Times. “That was a bad time in my life and I’m sorry.” He added that he had seen some of Ms. Schachner’s comedy and thought she was funny. “I remember thinking what a repulsive person I was being by responding the way that I did,” he wrote.
Ms. Schachner accepted his apology and told him she forgave him. But the original interaction left her deeply dispirited, she said, and was one of the things that discouraged her from pursuing comedy."
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one way or another, he just can't keep it zipped. having made a joke of sorts, I now feel entitled to a platform. dude, where is my platform?
(I don’t think it’s true. His net worth is somewhere around $35 mil. If you manage that well, you can easily live on it for the rest of your life. Most people never see that much in their lives.)
If a man came up to me after whipping his dick out in front of me *at work* and masturbating to completion, and he said “I have been remorseful for my actions,” I would not accept that apology. That is a weak-tea word salad that makes it sound like he is not currently remorseful, but was at some point maybe. I *am* remorseful. I *am* sorry. That’s what you say.
You seem to think all someone has to do is apologize and that’s it. The apology had to be accepted. The apologizer needs to make amends. That hasn’t happened here. And no matter how many times you block quote that self-aggrandizing overwritten piece of tripe in which CK spends almost as much time talking about how much he hurt his *manager* as his actual victims, you can’t make me accept it.
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I don’t know what the fuck John McCain has to do with this. McCain doesn’t have to apologize for being pro-life and passing anti-choice legislation if that’s what his constituents wanted. I wasn’t one of those people lionizing him. Stay on topic or drop it.
The first sentence is: "I have been remorseful of my actions" which is the equivalent of "I'm sorry." The whole apology is full of "I should never have done this to begin with, and I wish I hadn't made these women uncomfortable."
I agree that we will not agree on this. I think he should have waited longer to come back on the public stage, but I don't know what his money situation is.
I get a kick out of watching half the people on Wonkette defend John McCain as a "hero" even though he was a well known misogynist, who called his wife a "cunt" in public, cheated on both of his wives, and was an all around dick who passed legislation for decades designed to harm women (he was always anti-choice), but a comedian who acted like an asshole can never show his face again in public. John McCain - harms millions of women for decades, and never apologizes, so he's a bipartisan hero. Comedian acts like an asshole, apologizes for it, but can never be welcomed back into society. Sure, that makes sense.
You somewhat belittle actually allegations or rape or molestation by calling them "stories." You certainly belittle actually allegations of rape by calling Al Franken's actions on his comedy tour "harassment." The woman he supposedly harassed accepted his apology and said he shouldn't have to resign over it. Other accusations against Franken were in fact Republican attacks, not actual accusations.
If thats your idea of fair, then forget it. Me Too can go jump in a lake. Emotional screeds and holier than thou righteousness don't justify the irrationally selective nature of Me Too eruptions. R Kelly was never touched by Me Too despite the fact that he's a notorious and serial statutory rapist and keeps a harem of mind controlled young girls. The guy married a 15 year old for god's sake! Al Franken must go but R Kelly can keep making albums and of course, all hail king Trump. Ludicrous. What good is a movements that can't do anything good for anybody accept the writers writing about it?
He doesn't, though. Say "I'm sorry." He never does.
Look, we're not going to agree, but I'm far from the only person who thought this was inadequate.
First thing: yes, exactly this, you have summed up how I think. Second thing: "sex pest" is the best fucking name for it I've ever heard.
It sounds a lot like an apology to me. It's kind of hard to say "I'm sorry" without using "I."
No, it really doesn’t. For one thing, the word *I* is in there a LOT. For another, not once do the words “I’m sorry” appear. It deflects blame onto his victims or his celebrity; he makes sure to mention their consent, which feels CYA.
He admitted it happened; it is a thoughtful statement and a more open admitting of wrongdoing than I’ve seen from pretty much anyone else I can think of. But to me? It doesn’t read like an apology. An admittance of guilt, yes, but not an apology.
You do not speak for Democrats when you say it is a joke and a scam, sorry buddy you are wrong here. The women where harassed and Franken fucking admitted that what he did was wrong and chose himself to resign because of what he did. Sorry that women being harassed upsets you, they don’t have to check with you first before coming out with their stories and your fucking attitude is why women don’t report anything in the first fucking place.
No, but I have heard stories about those two. So I have some understanding of how twisted people can be.
But you would be surprised at the number of people in this country who lack a little human decency or any at all. Empathy or sympathy is not their thing. They only feel something when it directly affects them because G*d forfend they have a global perspective.
Exactly. Put his name up on the marquee and see who shows up, don't sneak him onstage.