Last year, Madonna put herself in Art Jail, with a 17-minute tone poem about how ... the oppression was coming from inside the house! It was hilarious, and ridiculose, and full of hot dudes doing really good ripoffs of Chicago, and it was all about, like, stuff. (Go on,
I was once in a bar conversation where someone floated the idea that the most substantial accomplishment of late 20th century (what wave are we on now?) feminism was the right to call Camille Paglia a c*nt. I have personally never been able to figure out which drugs she's on.
Madonna is GREAT at talking about/doing sexxxy stuff. Not so great at the thinking thing. Yes, I would still lick milk off her incredibly pumped, veiny arms and thighs, but I wouldn't quote her "philosophy."
Does anyone still pay attention to Madonna? If the answer is "no" then why is this even A Thing? I mean, whose butt is being hurt here?
You can't single her out and condemn her for being pretentious without also condemning the entire pop music industry. Pop music is pretentious to the core; pretense is part of its DNA. Show me even one successful popular music star who doesn't ooze pretense out of every pore. Vaingloriousness is a core skill in that line of work.
Yes, Mme Ciccone has produced yet another turkey. No big -- every pop musician/performer lays a few eggs over the course of their career if they survive in the industry long enough. It is kind of ironic, but having a few clunkers in your back catalog is actually a sign that you have enjoyed a long and productive career. (If you were really a no-talent act you wouldn't have gotten the opportunity to make many stinkers because you would have exited the music business very quickly when you found that no one would carry you as an artist anymore or back any more of your projects.)
I would argue that on the basis of her long and hugely successful career, Madge has earned the right to cough up a few hairballs. No one in the general public is being forced to pay money for any of them, and it is not likely that many will voluntarily choose to do so. I am having trouble identifying anyone who is actually harmed when a deuce like this latest one is plopped onto the market. I mean, other than the people who invested in it and those who were involved in making it, but that is the nature of their business and they all knew the risks. If this latest project utterly fails to generate sales and quickly fades into obscurity, then where is the harm to the majority of us?
Sure, the diehards who make up her by now quite diminished fan base will be disappointed, but I am going to guess that no one in the Wonketariat is claiming membership in that group anyway. So who cares? Really, so what?
BURN the witch!!! For her ghastly string of crimes against logic, history and good taste!! As evidenced in this latest project, which no one is under any obligation to pay any attention to anyway!
For the benefit if those with short memories, Madonna was a major figure in the pop music business from the late 70s through the mid 90s. On the business side of things she has also been one of the most successful independent, self-managed artists in the entertainment industry. She was anything but a fleeting or talentless or frivolous figure in music, as anyone who has been conscious for the past three decades can tell you. She was a pioneer in the fusion of pop music and video into an art form and was an absolute master of the format. Madonna also originated the highly choreographed, slickly produced live performance format that has been copied by current artists such as Beyoncé. Those elaborately choreographed productions had never been done before in that type of concert format; Madonna invented them. She pioneered the use of the wireless "face mic" that is so commonly used today by singers who perform dance routines as part of their performance. Madonna was the first singer to routinely use one. She became so prominent that she controlled a not insignificant part of the industry in the last couple of decades of the 20th century. On the basis of her own prodigious talent she rose up to become one of the first, if not the very first, truly powerful independent businesswomen in an industry that up until then had been completely controlled and dominated by men, one whose largest companies lacked any women at all in top level positions at the time. She is enormously wealthy by virtue of her considerable production and business management skills and acumen and she continues to wield considerable clout in the field of entertainment. You may not be a fan of her music (nor am I for that matter) but Madonna is not and never was a lightweight and that fact was recognized right from the start.
Wait, Madonna is still around?
Spice is the variety of life
maybe Guy Ritchie can do a crappy movie about it
Let's put Madonna and Scott Aaronson in a cell together and see what kind of "Tone Poem" we can generate.
I was once in a bar conversation where someone floated the idea that the most substantial accomplishment of late 20th century (what wave are we on now?) feminism was the right to call Camille Paglia a c*nt. I have personally never been able to figure out which drugs she's on.
Madonna is GREAT at talking about/doing sexxxy stuff. Not so great at the thinking thing. Yes, I would still lick milk off her incredibly pumped, veiny arms and thighs, but I wouldn't quote her "philosophy."
THE SPICE MUST FLOW!
Like a virgin !!!That shit went out the door by the age of 12 and she has grifted ever since
Does anyone still pay attention to Madonna? If the answer is "no" then why is this even A Thing? I mean, whose butt is being hurt here?
You can't single her out and condemn her for being pretentious without also condemning the entire pop music industry. Pop music is pretentious to the core; pretense is part of its DNA. Show me even one successful popular music star who doesn't ooze pretense out of every pore. Vaingloriousness is a core skill in that line of work.
Yes, Mme Ciccone has produced yet another turkey. No big -- every pop musician/performer lays a few eggs over the course of their career if they survive in the industry long enough. It is kind of ironic, but having a few clunkers in your back catalog is actually a sign that you have enjoyed a long and productive career. (If you were really a no-talent act you wouldn't have gotten the opportunity to make many stinkers because you would have exited the music business very quickly when you found that no one would carry you as an artist anymore or back any more of your projects.)
I would argue that on the basis of her long and hugely successful career, Madge has earned the right to cough up a few hairballs. No one in the general public is being forced to pay money for any of them, and it is not likely that many will voluntarily choose to do so. I am having trouble identifying anyone who is actually harmed when a deuce like this latest one is plopped onto the market. I mean, other than the people who invested in it and those who were involved in making it, but that is the nature of their business and they all knew the risks. If this latest project utterly fails to generate sales and quickly fades into obscurity, then where is the harm to the majority of us?
Sure, the diehards who make up her by now quite diminished fan base will be disappointed, but I am going to guess that no one in the Wonketariat is claiming membership in that group anyway. So who cares? Really, so what?
BURN the witch!!! For her ghastly string of crimes against logic, history and good taste!! As evidenced in this latest project, which no one is under any obligation to pay any attention to anyway!
For the benefit if those with short memories, Madonna was a major figure in the pop music business from the late 70s through the mid 90s. On the business side of things she has also been one of the most successful independent, self-managed artists in the entertainment industry. She was anything but a fleeting or talentless or frivolous figure in music, as anyone who has been conscious for the past three decades can tell you. She was a pioneer in the fusion of pop music and video into an art form and was an absolute master of the format. Madonna also originated the highly choreographed, slickly produced live performance format that has been copied by current artists such as Beyoncé. Those elaborately choreographed productions had never been done before in that type of concert format; Madonna invented them. She pioneered the use of the wireless "face mic" that is so commonly used today by singers who perform dance routines as part of their performance. Madonna was the first singer to routinely use one. She became so prominent that she controlled a not insignificant part of the industry in the last couple of decades of the 20th century. On the basis of her own prodigious talent she rose up to become one of the first, if not the very first, truly powerful independent businesswomen in an industry that up until then had been completely controlled and dominated by men, one whose largest companies lacked any women at all in top level positions at the time. She is enormously wealthy by virtue of her considerable production and business management skills and acumen and she continues to wield considerable clout in the field of entertainment. You may not be a fan of her music (nor am I for that matter) but Madonna is not and never was a lightweight and that fact was recognized right from the start.