I could see it IF they were like "WE UNDERSTAND SKIN COMES IN EVERY COLOUR, HERE'S A MIX-YOUR-OWN SYSTEM" (because holy smokes could I get behind that, between contour, foundation, highlighter and skin changes throughout the year and with time...)
I think actual Vantablack would have military applications. People have trouble seeing vantablack, it looks as if there's a hole there. Could be a useful part of camouflage.
That channel is so fun to watch. They're usually testing out which paints are going to be potentially commercially viable, which combinations they can recommend, etc.
But sometimes they do really weird experiments like that Mansou black, and once in a while their paint mixes flop. There was one last week they showed from "Color 84" that they'd never released to the wild because it turned out as a shit brown with a little blue and purple..... but when they sprayed it on car and took it out into the Florida sun, they ended up with a gorgeous rose gold.
Two stories. I worked most of my life in a lab. The lab worked 7 days a week so all of us pulled some overtime. One weekend I was working with a young black lady. Only she looked different that day. Her face was all splotchy, like she had been beat up or something, So I asked if she was all right. She said "yes" she just didn't have time to put on her makeup. She just had really uneven skin tone. That was the first that I knew black people have that problem. Boy, did I feel embarrassed.
The other story isn't really a story. Another person in the lab was an immigrant from Africa. His skin was the blackest I have ever seen on a person. Probably not blackface level of black but darn close.
Ta, Robyn. Black people exist, and like cosmetics just as much as pale people do. It's not rocket science. And that's not foundation, it's repackaged eyeliner.
Any comments about the very white make up some Asian women wear? It’s very weird looking to me. And the opposite of blackface, yet I wonder if it’s just as racist in saying the whiter the better.
People often decorate themselves, it's a thing we do. Some use jewelry, some alter their hair, some choose their clothing or shoes, and some paint themselves in various ways. I'm one of the least looks-conscious people on the planet and even I have been known to put a flower or feather in my hair every once in a while, or braid my hair. You really should have noticed this behavioural pattern by now.
This used to be true for Asians as well but the revolution in Korean cosmetics fixed that, they also have darker hues that work for many Brown-Black people as well.
As a man, there is little or no room for me take a stand on this subject except to say, that is so messed up. Made me want to cry watching the pain I could see in her eyes.
I saw a story about black women's hair regulations in the military. One soldier took a retired general with her to the beauty shop to get in compliance.
It was many hours, necessary to be repeated every week. The old white dude was flabbergasted.
I'm so white I am practically translucent, and I'm still shocked by the number of orange and pink foundations made for literally no one. Seriously, NO ONE is that color. It's much better than it used to be, no doubt because of the greater numbers of women working at these companies. At least I had approximately one million other cosmetics brands I could try. Women of color had almost no options at all until maybe twenty (?) years or so ago when some enterprising folks finally started noticing - and for a very long time it was largely specialty stuff, not major brands you could easily pick up at Walgreen's. That's better now too, but I suspect the overall options still aren't great.
As I watched Golloria's video I just felt despair in my soul as my cringe muscles pulled and pulled till my face hurt. And then that messed up job posting after. I swear this company is wilding out. Maybe they're just doing it because plenty of people will still buy their product and they don't have to care? WTF!
The business world has used its wealth to buy legislation that makes competition by up and comers virtually impossible, allowing them to take the same, "Fuck you! That's why!" attitude of a gerrymandered Republican congresscritter.
I just want to say that I think it's incredibly, incredibly sad that we can't discuss an incident of racism in the cosmetics industry without people trying to drag it back to some Madonna/Whore nonsense over makeup.
It's fine if you don't wear makeup! I would never judge you for that. But it doesn't make you better, smarter or deeper than those of us who do happen to enjoy it and see it as a mode of creative expression. Or than those who just happen to like the way they look in it!
Also, if you are a cis man who does not wear makeup, your opinion on it is irrelevant from all sides.
It's also fine if you don't like fashion or pop music or reality television or other things that tend to be considered female-coded in our society. But it doesn't make you better, smarter or deeper than those who do like those things (Are you better and smarter than Michelle Obama?).
Don't wear heels? Great! Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. I like living in a world where I have that choice and can do whatever the hell I want and enjoy a wide variety of things.
I hate the words involved in the expression "Don't yuck somebody's yum" but it's not a bad attitude to have about people's personal choices and interests, as long as those interests are not "cockfighting and child labor."
Agree wholeheartedly! I'm in my 50s and I love wearing makeup sometimes and love not wearing makeup sometimes. My oldest daughter absolutely loves makeup and uses it as a mode of creative expression just like her clothes. My youngest daughter doesn't use makeup much at all. They are both early 20s and are both gorgeous cis women. They are open minded and love and support each other and other women and all the rainbow of people. I f-ing loathe cis men who decide to be feminists by telling women they should be natural or they aren't feminist. Those guys have existed since I was in college and probably before and yet many of them want women who at least shave their pits if not more.
What most of them *think* they like is a "No Makeup Makeup Look" that often involves way more makeup and effort than what I do. Mostly they just don't like color, which is the *fun* part.
Exactly! I miss the teal green eyeliner that I ROCKED from about ages 18-20 during the late 80s/early 90s. That was fun! I was just young enough to have missed the blue eye shadow and crazy contoured blush from the early 80s. Luckily I got a couple of years between the 80s and 90s grunge. I envy my daughters' belly shirts, etc., as my college years' fashions were mostly oversized sweatshirts and flannels.
Your understanding, like everyone else's is not required. People don't even have to understand why they themselves decorate themselves. It. Is. Not. Required.
How old are you that you don't understand why women wear makeup? You must be old enough to not remember the 1920s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, etc. Heck, even Scarlett O'Hara in freaking Gone with the Wind tried to make her cheeks rosy by pinching them. Or even other cultures where eyeliner was a part of Egyptian ancient culture and later culture.
Makes sense. That was when women were supposed to embrace the natural hippie look while being open to having heterosexual sex with any man or else she was a prude.
You don't have to understand why, but you don't get to put it down. I like the way it looks, I like playing with different colors and trying new things. It's fun!
We don't all have to understand why people like the things they like. I don't personally "get" hiking or fishing or most outdoorsy activities, but I don't see other people liking them as a character flaw.
Oh I'm really not. I have more rage-filled rants about this stuff in my head than I care to admit. Like someday I'm just going to put out 6,000 words of straight vitriol about the derision of things coded as being "for women" and also people complaining about women who supposedly "just want attention" or "draw attention to themselves" and are therefore evil Jezebels.
I'm here for it. I'm now a lurker and have mostly been since you've been writing for wonkette. I abso-fucking-lutely love your writing. I often send my oldest kiddo your posts because she is also sarcastic as hell but loves fashion and makeup for herself.
I could see it IF they were like "WE UNDERSTAND SKIN COMES IN EVERY COLOUR, HERE'S A MIX-YOUR-OWN SYSTEM" (because holy smokes could I get behind that, between contour, foundation, highlighter and skin changes throughout the year and with time...)
But no. Just Vantablack, for no one.
I think actual Vantablack would have military applications. People have trouble seeing vantablack, it looks as if there's a hole there. Could be a useful part of camouflage.
Interestingly, I understand that Vantablack is quite toxic to humans!
Interestingly, I understand that Vantablack is quite toxic to humans!
The Dip Your Car guys put something very much like Vantablack on a car, but it turned out to be too fragile. Like a butterfly's wing.
Ah, well that wouldn't work then.
They also then sprayed it with hypershift glitter just to see what it did and the result was incredible.
https://youtu.be/53JclJwR4Po
Oh wow, that is pretty! Sparkly isn't my thing, but that does look great!
That channel is so fun to watch. They're usually testing out which paints are going to be potentially commercially viable, which combinations they can recommend, etc.
But sometimes they do really weird experiments like that Mansou black, and once in a while their paint mixes flop. There was one last week they showed from "Color 84" that they'd never released to the wild because it turned out as a shit brown with a little blue and purple..... but when they sprayed it on car and took it out into the Florida sun, they ended up with a gorgeous rose gold.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aapIoCWLfj0
Two stories. I worked most of my life in a lab. The lab worked 7 days a week so all of us pulled some overtime. One weekend I was working with a young black lady. Only she looked different that day. Her face was all splotchy, like she had been beat up or something, So I asked if she was all right. She said "yes" she just didn't have time to put on her makeup. She just had really uneven skin tone. That was the first that I knew black people have that problem. Boy, did I feel embarrassed.
The other story isn't really a story. Another person in the lab was an immigrant from Africa. His skin was the blackest I have ever seen on a person. Probably not blackface level of black but darn close.
cool.
Ta, Robyn. Black people exist, and like cosmetics just as much as pale people do. It's not rocket science. And that's not foundation, it's repackaged eyeliner.
Any comments about the very white make up some Asian women wear? It’s very weird looking to me. And the opposite of blackface, yet I wonder if it’s just as racist in saying the whiter the better.
It is racist- yet, oddly, not white supremacist! (Living in China was a real shock to my system. But so good for me.)
This has got to be a TrumpCo™ product.
Why do women even use makeup at all?
People often decorate themselves, it's a thing we do. Some use jewelry, some alter their hair, some choose their clothing or shoes, and some paint themselves in various ways. I'm one of the least looks-conscious people on the planet and even I have been known to put a flower or feather in my hair every once in a while, or braid my hair. You really should have noticed this behavioural pattern by now.
Humans use makeup. Just a fact.
Dude, you think my replies above were a compliment. No dude, they were an indictment of who you were in the 1970s.
Nothing I do would be good enough for you, so I will be good enough to do nothing for you.
Such a 1970s dude response!
Now you are getting it!
Isn't that Kimberly Guilfoyle's eyeliner shade?
Pretty sure that's Hillbilly Elegy's color.
I think it's drained directly out of the holes in her skull and bottled.
This used to be true for Asians as well but the revolution in Korean cosmetics fixed that, they also have darker hues that work for many Brown-Black people as well.
As a man, there is little or no room for me take a stand on this subject except to say, that is so messed up. Made me want to cry watching the pain I could see in her eyes.
I saw a story about black women's hair regulations in the military. One soldier took a retired general with her to the beauty shop to get in compliance.
It was many hours, necessary to be repeated every week. The old white dude was flabbergasted.
I'm so white I am practically translucent, and I'm still shocked by the number of orange and pink foundations made for literally no one. Seriously, NO ONE is that color. It's much better than it used to be, no doubt because of the greater numbers of women working at these companies. At least I had approximately one million other cosmetics brands I could try. Women of color had almost no options at all until maybe twenty (?) years or so ago when some enterprising folks finally started noticing - and for a very long time it was largely specialty stuff, not major brands you could easily pick up at Walgreen's. That's better now too, but I suspect the overall options still aren't great.
To say nothing of stockings and bandages...
It was in Robyn's OP.
It was not 20 years ago (unless you count Fashion Fair, Opal, and Iman's line).
It was 2017.
2017.
Those were the lines I was thinking of - Fashion Fair was before my time but I do remember Iman’s because she was a big deal at the time.
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus.
As I watched Golloria's video I just felt despair in my soul as my cringe muscles pulled and pulled till my face hurt. And then that messed up job posting after. I swear this company is wilding out. Maybe they're just doing it because plenty of people will still buy their product and they don't have to care? WTF!
The business world has used its wealth to buy legislation that makes competition by up and comers virtually impossible, allowing them to take the same, "Fuck you! That's why!" attitude of a gerrymandered Republican congresscritter.
I just want to say that I think it's incredibly, incredibly sad that we can't discuss an incident of racism in the cosmetics industry without people trying to drag it back to some Madonna/Whore nonsense over makeup.
It's fine if you don't wear makeup! I would never judge you for that. But it doesn't make you better, smarter or deeper than those of us who do happen to enjoy it and see it as a mode of creative expression. Or than those who just happen to like the way they look in it!
Also, if you are a cis man who does not wear makeup, your opinion on it is irrelevant from all sides.
It's also fine if you don't like fashion or pop music or reality television or other things that tend to be considered female-coded in our society. But it doesn't make you better, smarter or deeper than those who do like those things (Are you better and smarter than Michelle Obama?).
Don't wear heels? Great! Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. I like living in a world where I have that choice and can do whatever the hell I want and enjoy a wide variety of things.
I hate the words involved in the expression "Don't yuck somebody's yum" but it's not a bad attitude to have about people's personal choices and interests, as long as those interests are not "cockfighting and child labor."
So well put. Brava!!
Agree wholeheartedly! I'm in my 50s and I love wearing makeup sometimes and love not wearing makeup sometimes. My oldest daughter absolutely loves makeup and uses it as a mode of creative expression just like her clothes. My youngest daughter doesn't use makeup much at all. They are both early 20s and are both gorgeous cis women. They are open minded and love and support each other and other women and all the rainbow of people. I f-ing loathe cis men who decide to be feminists by telling women they should be natural or they aren't feminist. Those guys have existed since I was in college and probably before and yet many of them want women who at least shave their pits if not more.
Honestly?
What most of them *think* they like is a "No Makeup Makeup Look" that often involves way more makeup and effort than what I do. Mostly they just don't like color, which is the *fun* part.
Exactly! I miss the teal green eyeliner that I ROCKED from about ages 18-20 during the late 80s/early 90s. That was fun! I was just young enough to have missed the blue eye shadow and crazy contoured blush from the early 80s. Luckily I got a couple of years between the 80s and 90s grunge. I envy my daughters' belly shirts, etc., as my college years' fashions were mostly oversized sweatshirts and flannels.
Yes but l still don't understand why women wear makeup. I am an elderly Caucasian male though.
We wear it because we want to and we can. It's pretty much the same reason as why any human makes a personal style choice.
Your understanding, like everyone else's is not required. People don't even have to understand why they themselves decorate themselves. It. Is. Not. Required.
How old are you that you don't understand why women wear makeup? You must be old enough to not remember the 1920s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, etc. Heck, even Scarlett O'Hara in freaking Gone with the Wind tried to make her cheeks rosy by pinching them. Or even other cultures where eyeliner was a part of Egyptian ancient culture and later culture.
Are you Moses? Or maybe Mohammed?
Not that old! I was 12 in 1970...
Makes sense. That was when women were supposed to embrace the natural hippie look while being open to having heterosexual sex with any man or else she was a prude.
Or even worse “frigid.”
Even worse, you're just as hung up about sex as your mom.
👍🏽
You don't have to understand why, but you don't get to put it down. I like the way it looks, I like playing with different colors and trying new things. It's fun!
We don't all have to understand why people like the things they like. I don't personally "get" hiking or fishing or most outdoorsy activities, but I don't see other people liking them as a character flaw.
Agreed. As my son always says, it’s nunya, as in, nunya business!
Robyn, you are so much nicer than I am.
Oh I'm really not. I have more rage-filled rants about this stuff in my head than I care to admit. Like someday I'm just going to put out 6,000 words of straight vitriol about the derision of things coded as being "for women" and also people complaining about women who supposedly "just want attention" or "draw attention to themselves" and are therefore evil Jezebels.
Gawd, this!!! It's really repressive and undermining, which is why they do it! Bastards!
I'm here for it. I'm now a lurker and have mostly been since you've been writing for wonkette. I abso-fucking-lutely love your writing. I often send my oldest kiddo your posts because she is also sarcastic as hell but loves fashion and makeup for herself.
Aw! That's so nice to hear!
Honestly, I feel like so many young women today just do whatever makes them happy w/r/t that stuff and I'm so happy for them and proud of them!
Absolutely. I am not a fan of the whole "oh you're a natural beauty, makeup is so blah" crap.
It's right up there with "beautiful but doesn't know it" thing (which I put in my bios now because it's such obvious nonsense).
A lot of those 'white' shades look more latino/asian also too. just sayin'
Just reading this made me turn A Whiter Shade Of Pale. Now, where are my 16 vestal virgins?
Look at you. All set to have bad sex sixteen times.
ALSO WHY DID THEY POST THAT JOB ANNOUNCEMENT IN ALL CAPS LIKE SOME SORT OF SHOUTY BOOMER ON FACEBOOK?
judging from the background, that seems to be their signature font
Hey Robyn, I just shared your super helpy skin care tips with the Mini so she can be as beautiful outside as she is inside.
She wasn't really into stuff like this before her transition XD