Ta, Robyn. Glad I'm way too old for this shit, but I support women and girls no matter their age, socioeconomic status, religious affiliation if any, and political leanings.
With the creeping fascism and anti-abortion sentiment in the Texas legislature, I wouldn't be surprised to see Abbott trying to control travel in both directions, as least by women. As some prescient people suggested a few years ago, walls can keep people in as well as keep people out.
Absolutely. It is also true that the Constitutional rights that would protect the right to abortion are the same rights that protect the right to refuse one. It was not that long ago that State mandated sterilization was a thing.
I think it might be a better way to succeed as a nation to learn from Mexico's progressive laws than to try to keep out Mexicans and refugees who passed through Mexico from other countries
This will probably have an impact on immigration as well - fewer women with small children fleeing from abusive partners, fewer men coming up to the US to earn money to send back to their families because they and their partners will have more control over when to have children. Of course many of the migrants coming through the southern border are just passing through Mexico from other countries in much worse shape. Still, economic prosperity and gender equality in Mexico is good news for everyone.
Temperance advocates before Prohibition fell into two groups - suffragists who said drunken men were neglecting their families, and nativists who equated alcohol with Catholic immigrants. But overall the issue was generally white Protestants versus everyone else. The abortion issue might be headed in the same direction, white evangelical Protestants versus everyone else. The divide isn’t over whether abortion is wrong but whether it should be legal.
I had the impression that abortion was illegal in California before Roe and that women routinely crossed the border for the procedure. Maybe Abbott wants those cruel barriers along the Rio Grande to work both ways, stopping not just refugees from coming north in but pregnant women from going south.
It was ( mostly ) illegal up until 1967 - when Governor Ronald Reagan signed a law allowing it for non-viable fetii ( except those with birth defects - ??? )
What frustrates the shit out of me is how the rules are different for each party. Even Democrats apply the different rules without even realizing it.
Take the 14th amendment for example. Everyone, including Democrats has suddenly become a constitutional scholar and says yeah, the 14th amendment technically says Trump is ineligible BUT it’s too vague and non-specific so we can’t use it. Using the 14th would be a grave mistake and open the door to too many slippery slopes. We have to defeat him the old fashioned way, with votes!
Ok. Now take Biden’s age for example. There is no Amendment whatsoever that makes Biden ineligible based on his age. People who say Biden’s age is a major concern are completely pulling shit out of their ass. There is nothing in the constitution that makes him ineligible. There is no medical evidence that suggest he can’t be president. That is completely a subjective opinion.
And yet no one on the left is going full constitutional scholar and defending Biden’s right to run. Why is that?
The United States ought to be ashamed of themselves for this. As the rest of the world progresses forward into the 21st century America appears intent upon social regression.
By contrast, only 25 percent of evangelical Protestants hold that same view
_________
Their leaders needed a new "moral" stance since Segregation no longer polled well. "Save the babbies" did though and it just so happens that the same judges who would deny women their human rights would also deny minorities their human rights too!
I was talking to an Army captain who extolled the benefits of capitalism. I said, "This comment is pretty rich coming from a guy who wears a uniform to work."
Ta, Robyn. Glad I'm way too old for this shit, but I support women and girls no matter their age, socioeconomic status, religious affiliation if any, and political leanings.
With the creeping fascism and anti-abortion sentiment in the Texas legislature, I wouldn't be surprised to see Abbott trying to control travel in both directions, as least by women. As some prescient people suggested a few years ago, walls can keep people in as well as keep people out.
Corollary:
A government powerful enough to prevent you from having an abortion is also powerful enough to force you to have one.
Absolutely. It is also true that the Constitutional rights that would protect the right to abortion are the same rights that protect the right to refuse one. It was not that long ago that State mandated sterilization was a thing.
Maybe we can convince them to take back Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and Southern California.
Not New Mexico, please!
Hey! NM is a great state, and votes blue besides!
Much of Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and Southern California might be in favor. Who could blame people in Texas, at least?
I think it might be a better way to succeed as a nation to learn from Mexico's progressive laws than to try to keep out Mexicans and refugees who passed through Mexico from other countries
Viva La Raza! Viva los Estados Unidos Mexicanos!!
This will probably have an impact on immigration as well - fewer women with small children fleeing from abusive partners, fewer men coming up to the US to earn money to send back to their families because they and their partners will have more control over when to have children. Of course many of the migrants coming through the southern border are just passing through Mexico from other countries in much worse shape. Still, economic prosperity and gender equality in Mexico is good news for everyone.
well said
Mexico is really gonna need to Build the Wall (TM)….
…from their side to keep the US wimmins out.
I believe Mexico as a country is far, far more religious than the USA, and *they* legalized abortion?
Surely there are some religious leaders in Mexico that can explain to our esteemed evangelicals how abortion is not in conflict with Christianity.
No, actually. According to the article, they *decriminalized* abortion. It's not the same thing.
Problem being that our esteemed evangelicals are programmed NOT to listen to explanations of ANYTHING "concocted" by mere laymen.
Especially brown ones.
It's worth a try.
And our RW Catholic hierarchy that prioritizes oppressing women over social justice
Temperance advocates before Prohibition fell into two groups - suffragists who said drunken men were neglecting their families, and nativists who equated alcohol with Catholic immigrants. But overall the issue was generally white Protestants versus everyone else. The abortion issue might be headed in the same direction, white evangelical Protestants versus everyone else. The divide isn’t over whether abortion is wrong but whether it should be legal.
I had the impression that abortion was illegal in California before Roe and that women routinely crossed the border for the procedure. Maybe Abbott wants those cruel barriers along the Rio Grande to work both ways, stopping not just refugees from coming north in but pregnant women from going south.
It was ( mostly ) illegal up until 1967 - when Governor Ronald Reagan signed a law allowing it for non-viable fetii ( except those with birth defects - ??? )
What frustrates the shit out of me is how the rules are different for each party. Even Democrats apply the different rules without even realizing it.
Take the 14th amendment for example. Everyone, including Democrats has suddenly become a constitutional scholar and says yeah, the 14th amendment technically says Trump is ineligible BUT it’s too vague and non-specific so we can’t use it. Using the 14th would be a grave mistake and open the door to too many slippery slopes. We have to defeat him the old fashioned way, with votes!
Ok. Now take Biden’s age for example. There is no Amendment whatsoever that makes Biden ineligible based on his age. People who say Biden’s age is a major concern are completely pulling shit out of their ass. There is nothing in the constitution that makes him ineligible. There is no medical evidence that suggest he can’t be president. That is completely a subjective opinion.
And yet no one on the left is going full constitutional scholar and defending Biden’s right to run. Why is that?
Your average American understands law roughly as well as they understand cardiology or astrophysics. Elections are about the court of public opinion.
The United States ought to be ashamed of themselves for this. As the rest of the world progresses forward into the 21st century America appears intent upon social regression.
By contrast, only 25 percent of evangelical Protestants hold that same view
_________
Their leaders needed a new "moral" stance since Segregation no longer polled well. "Save the babbies" did though and it just so happens that the same judges who would deny women their human rights would also deny minorities their human rights too!
What are the chances? Hahaha...
OT: A lunch-time (EST) treat!
‘𝗟𝗼𝗼𝗸 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗮 𝗤𝘂𝗶𝗰𝗸 𝗖𝗼𝗻𝘃𝗶𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗛𝗲𝗿𝗲’: 𝗡𝗮𝘃𝗮𝗿𝗿𝗼 𝗝𝘂𝗿𝘆 𝗖𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱 𝗥𝗲𝗮𝗰𝗵 𝗮 𝗩𝗲𝗿𝗱𝗶𝗰𝘁 ‘𝗘𝗮𝗿𝗹𝘆 𝗧𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗔𝗳𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗻𝗼𝗼𝗻’
https://www.rawstory.com/look-for-a-quick-conviction-here-navarro-jury-could-reach-a-verdict-early-this-afternoon/
He was convicted, and he can pull a Bannon, appeal, and stay of jail for months!!
That's quite an unforced error. Heh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgAvBaT9zmA
Bwahaha, that's great. I loved that the defense presented no witnesses and pretty much threw their hands in the air.
This is an open and shut case. LOCK HIM UP!
"Likes" 100 times. He's an arrogant prick. Do Roger Stone next.
In honor of this incredible day, I offer you...
OT: the Grumpy Frog video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9kEE53gwE8
Mexico has universal health care. Mexico.
I need to move
Cuba has joined the chat.
Just like the rest of the civilized nations...
Nearly all civilized countries have universal health care.
Are national health and universal health the same thing?
Or should I just halve the difference and move to Jolly Anglaland?
Much the same.
Why are I blocked from liking your comments (which are Not Allowed)?
Yeah, they're pretty much interchangeable.
* Developed. Many countries simply can't afford it for a variety of reasons. We're the only one by choice.
Not by my choice. But then again, I spent a decade in the socialist shithole that is the United States Army.
I was talking to an Army captain who extolled the benefits of capitalism. I said, "This comment is pretty rich coming from a guy who wears a uniform to work."