Why do the "Undecideds" think it makes them cool or interesting? If anything, it makes them look worse and worse the closer we get to the election. All of these Jack Smith releases to the public certainly make it more likely they'll be ridiculed and shunned. 'Tis a (rhetorical) mystery. Fuck Ted Cruz
Ah yes. If only Nancy Pelosi had not sent out that famous "Be there, will be wild!" tweet, none of this would have happened. To say nothing of famously claiming at 3 a.m. on November 4, 2020, "In fact, Trump DID win!"
I'm old enough to remember when she teleported to the Ellipse and said "go down to the Capitol and fight like hell, or we're not going to have a country anymore" and then teleported back and then pretended to be scared and mad. Shifty Nancy!
A major correction: Christina Bobb is most definitely NOT co-conspirator 6 (CC6). That is most likely Mike Roman, described in multiple indictments as a “political operative” who coordinated the fake electors scheme, which is is why he’s been indicted for that same role in GA, AZ, and WI. Note that all the other co-conspirators are identified as attorneys (as is Bobb, but not Roman). The co-conspirators are:
CC1 - Rudy Guiliani
CC2 - John Eastman
CC3 - Sidney Powell
(CC4 - Jeffrey Clark, a DOJ attorney who had to be removed because of the dumbass SCOTUS ruling on presidential immunity for criming while in office)
CC5 - Kenneth Chesebro
CC6 - Mike Roman
To the best of my knowledge, Bobb wasn’t involved in the election interference case at all. She was tangentially involved in the FL classified documents case, where she signed an affidavit that (falsely) attested that all documents with classified markings had been returned on June 3, 2022, pursuant to a subpoena from a DC grand jury. In fact, the search for those classified documents was conducted by another TFG lawyer, Evan Corcoran, who drafted the affidavit but didn’t want to sign it, because he was *pretty* sure that TFG was a Lying McLiarFace, which proved prescient because it turned out TFG had hidden a bunch of boxes from his attorney before the search. Bobb - not being as dumb-stupid as a common Alina Habba - at least had the sense to revise the affidavit to state that she “was advised” that a thorough search had been conducted and all responsive documents were returned, which was obviously not the case.
I appreciate Marcie, but she’s obviously not an attorney and/or has not been paying close attention, so please don’t rely on her for law ‘splaining. I’d really appreciate it if Wonkette would stick to actual facts, while using humor and dick jokes.
Mike Roman is confirmed by the Washington Post as P5. CC6 was initially reported as Bobb by some reliable people, including Kyle Cheney, Jim Stewartson and Amee Vanderpool. But it is most likely Boris Epshteyn, based on him being a guest on Steve Bannon's podcast. I have corrected it to read "a lawyer" and will endeavor to do better in the future.
Appreciate the response. Link to WaPo identifying Mike Roman as P5, and to other folks identifying CC6 as Bobb? None of these “reliable” sources that I’ve ever heard of, BTW.
As a now-retired lawyer, I have followed the TFG cases like it’s my damn (unpaid) job. That includes watching the J6 hearings, reading public reporting, reading nearly all the court filings, and listening to oral arguments/reading the transcripts of same. I haven’t seen any suggestion anywhere that Bobb (an attorney, but CC6 was not described as such in either the initial or superseding indictment) was involved AT ALL in the election interference matter. It does not appear that she entered TFG’s orbit in her role as an attorney until she signed the affidavit in the FL documents case in June 2022, over a year later.
And common sense: why was Mike Roman indicted for involvement in the fake electors scheme in GA, AZ, and WI, whereas Christina Bobb is not mentioned ANYWHERE in those indictments?
And also: If you think Boris Epshteyn is CC6, then why hasn’t HE been indicted in those state cases?
I realize I’m probably being harsh, and I do appreciate your writing. But for Wonkette to remain a site for reputable (if humorous) news, then the details matter. It honestly helps if you read the actual filings instead of relying on secondary sources. I saw some commenter here posit that CC6 was Ginni Thomas, based solely on a post form a Daily KOS commenter, and that was absolute bullshit.
I can probably post a list identifying every person and entity whose names were redacted in the DOJ filing, with the exception of some “aides.” I may do so if I get bored enough.
Bobb and Epshteyn were indicted in AZ. Here is the WaPo article. The folks you haven’t heard of you can Google/search on Twitter. Of course I read the actual filings.
So, you are relying on secondary sources like WaPo - which honestly cannot be trusted at this point - to identify the alleged co-conspirators, rather than relying on the actual court filings?
You initially claimed that Bobb (a lawyer) was identified by so-called “reliable” sources as CC6. Now you’re claiming, based on WaPo reporting, that CC6 is Boris Epshteyn, who is also a lawyer. And yet the indictments identify CC6 as a political operative, and not a lawyer, which would point to Mike Roman.
And I don’t see Bobb mentioned anywhere in the linked article.
We are insane. In any sane society this mountain of evil would be enough to put trump in jail for the rest of his life for treason, if not worse. Anyone who reads this and votes for him anyway is insane. And evil.
If I remember correctly, Mike Pence’s position and statement were that he “couldn’t” refuse the states’ certification and “send it back to the states”. So, he was trying to say that the tactic wouldn’t work, that there was no means of making it happen, no matter what he did before congress. That took courage, yes, with Mr. Trump and his many allies ganging up on him. He was trying to reason with actors who were not willing to be reasonable. To me, that’s an important distinction when considering his act as taking a stand to save democracy.
He then rang up Dan Quayle to ask for advice, and Dan (for perhaps the first time in his life) said something smart and patriotic, and told him no can do, it’s not Constitutional, you’ll just have to do something else nice for Trump in the future.
Pence literally had NO way of doing the thing Trump wanted.
I did not make my point as clearly as intended. I meant to say: not so heroic, not so much a stand for democratic values; more a plea of powerlessness."
I said ever since 1/7/20 that Pence saved Democracy, which it galled me to have to say, and that years from now history books will say so, and dissertations will be written on the subject, which also galls me, but it's true. The man is a wet dishrag, but he stood his ground. It may be the only great thing he ever did, but if I ever meet him (extremely unlikely) I intend to shake his hand and tell him so. I will wash my hands afterwards.
US AG John Ashcroft did something similar. Bush's cohorts visited him in the hospital and tried to make him sign something to extend the Patriot Act, and he refused. I loathe John Ashcroft ( he was previously Missouri's governor, and he was a very bad one) but he Did The Right Thing, possibly for the only time in his entire life.
My favorite part will be the cell door slamming shut on Trump, and until that happens, I’m not really paying a lot of attention to these breathless screeds. Remember, I’ve been hearing “We’ve got him now!” since 2016 and he’s still walking around free as a bird.
Whew boy President Klan Robe is a mess. But he is empowered by the fact that he is the representative of those who have always had rights in America.
Had this been anyone else they'd have been put under the prison.
Everyone, remember the 30-day deadlines are coming up in a bunch of states. Even if yours isn't one of them, be sure to check that you're still registered!
Up and down the ballot, use your powerful vote to give the unreconstructed Republican party no quarter. No matter where you are, your vote sends a message so pour it on. Everyone vote.
And act now to safeguard your registration. Vote as early as possible; remember that part of the Republican strategy is to delay tabulation and then sow chaos.
Michigan mailed absentee ballots Thurs/Fri Sept. 26-27. Ours arrived Mon. Sept. 30. Mom and I filed them out immediately and I ran them up to the dropbox. Secretary of State website confirms both ballots received Tues Oct. 1. So efficient!
How do these so-called “undecided voters” get dressed in the morning? How do they figure out whether to eat eggs or feces for breakfast?
Not to mention choose between chicken and broken glass smeared with shite for dinner.
They have teleprompters in every room in the house for when they emerge from their shells, you know, like hermit crabs have
Why do the "Undecideds" think it makes them cool or interesting? If anything, it makes them look worse and worse the closer we get to the election. All of these Jack Smith releases to the public certainly make it more likely they'll be ridiculed and shunned. 'Tis a (rhetorical) mystery. Fuck Ted Cruz
Ah yes. If only Nancy Pelosi had not sent out that famous "Be there, will be wild!" tweet, none of this would have happened. To say nothing of famously claiming at 3 a.m. on November 4, 2020, "In fact, Trump DID win!"
That Nancy. Incorrigible.
I'm old enough to remember when she teleported to the Ellipse and said "go down to the Capitol and fight like hell, or we're not going to have a country anymore" and then teleported back and then pretended to be scared and mad. Shifty Nancy!
Thought:
Intent is an important factor in many crimes.
Trump knows there is a two term limit to presidency.
Trump thinks he won the last election, which would have been his second term.
Which means that from his perspective he is trying to get a third term.
This means Trump intends to break the law by getting elected again.
PAB is such a law-breaking scamp, isn't he?
A major correction: Christina Bobb is most definitely NOT co-conspirator 6 (CC6). That is most likely Mike Roman, described in multiple indictments as a “political operative” who coordinated the fake electors scheme, which is is why he’s been indicted for that same role in GA, AZ, and WI. Note that all the other co-conspirators are identified as attorneys (as is Bobb, but not Roman). The co-conspirators are:
CC1 - Rudy Guiliani
CC2 - John Eastman
CC3 - Sidney Powell
(CC4 - Jeffrey Clark, a DOJ attorney who had to be removed because of the dumbass SCOTUS ruling on presidential immunity for criming while in office)
CC5 - Kenneth Chesebro
CC6 - Mike Roman
To the best of my knowledge, Bobb wasn’t involved in the election interference case at all. She was tangentially involved in the FL classified documents case, where she signed an affidavit that (falsely) attested that all documents with classified markings had been returned on June 3, 2022, pursuant to a subpoena from a DC grand jury. In fact, the search for those classified documents was conducted by another TFG lawyer, Evan Corcoran, who drafted the affidavit but didn’t want to sign it, because he was *pretty* sure that TFG was a Lying McLiarFace, which proved prescient because it turned out TFG had hidden a bunch of boxes from his attorney before the search. Bobb - not being as dumb-stupid as a common Alina Habba - at least had the sense to revise the affidavit to state that she “was advised” that a thorough search had been conducted and all responsive documents were returned, which was obviously not the case.
I appreciate Marcie, but she’s obviously not an attorney and/or has not been paying close attention, so please don’t rely on her for law ‘splaining. I’d really appreciate it if Wonkette would stick to actual facts, while using humor and dick jokes.
Mike Roman is confirmed by the Washington Post as P5. CC6 was initially reported as Bobb by some reliable people, including Kyle Cheney, Jim Stewartson and Amee Vanderpool. But it is most likely Boris Epshteyn, based on him being a guest on Steve Bannon's podcast. I have corrected it to read "a lawyer" and will endeavor to do better in the future.
Appreciate the response. Link to WaPo identifying Mike Roman as P5, and to other folks identifying CC6 as Bobb? None of these “reliable” sources that I’ve ever heard of, BTW.
As a now-retired lawyer, I have followed the TFG cases like it’s my damn (unpaid) job. That includes watching the J6 hearings, reading public reporting, reading nearly all the court filings, and listening to oral arguments/reading the transcripts of same. I haven’t seen any suggestion anywhere that Bobb (an attorney, but CC6 was not described as such in either the initial or superseding indictment) was involved AT ALL in the election interference matter. It does not appear that she entered TFG’s orbit in her role as an attorney until she signed the affidavit in the FL documents case in June 2022, over a year later.
And common sense: why was Mike Roman indicted for involvement in the fake electors scheme in GA, AZ, and WI, whereas Christina Bobb is not mentioned ANYWHERE in those indictments?
And also: If you think Boris Epshteyn is CC6, then why hasn’t HE been indicted in those state cases?
I realize I’m probably being harsh, and I do appreciate your writing. But for Wonkette to remain a site for reputable (if humorous) news, then the details matter. It honestly helps if you read the actual filings instead of relying on secondary sources. I saw some commenter here posit that CC6 was Ginni Thomas, based solely on a post form a Daily KOS commenter, and that was absolute bullshit.
I can probably post a list identifying every person and entity whose names were redacted in the DOJ filing, with the exception of some “aides.” I may do so if I get bored enough.
Bobb and Epshteyn were indicted in AZ. Here is the WaPo article. The folks you haven’t heard of you can Google/search on Twitter. Of course I read the actual filings.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/10/04/who-named-trump-election-interference-case-jack-smith/
So, you are relying on secondary sources like WaPo - which honestly cannot be trusted at this point - to identify the alleged co-conspirators, rather than relying on the actual court filings?
You initially claimed that Bobb (a lawyer) was identified by so-called “reliable” sources as CC6. Now you’re claiming, based on WaPo reporting, that CC6 is Boris Epshteyn, who is also a lawyer. And yet the indictments identify CC6 as a political operative, and not a lawyer, which would point to Mike Roman.
And I don’t see Bobb mentioned anywhere in the linked article.
Do better.
Why do you believe CC6 is Mike Roman?
See original indictment, describing CC6 as a political consultant seeking to implement the false slates of electors.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149.1.0_10.pdf
See also superseding indictment: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149.226.0_38.pdf
Roman is the only non-lawyer represented in the filings as a co-conspirator.
They want me to believe that Donald Chump used the word irrefutable correctly and spelled it correctly also, too?
I've had it with this. I know they're going to piss on me and tell me it's raining, but do they have to kick me in the balls at the same time?
why not call them magats as in maggots
The "T" stands for "Traitor". Or "Trash". Take your pick.
rwanda would respectfully disagree (and my instincts too are in absolute agreement).
Been doing that for the last year or so - the MSM though, it might get a little dicey.
We are insane. In any sane society this mountain of evil would be enough to put trump in jail for the rest of his life for treason, if not worse. Anyone who reads this and votes for him anyway is insane. And evil.
Ignorant and lazy also vote
And maybe ugly, possibly also too.
I figure "peacefully and patriotically" is about the same meaning as when WE say "with votes", amirite?
If I remember correctly, Mike Pence’s position and statement were that he “couldn’t” refuse the states’ certification and “send it back to the states”. So, he was trying to say that the tactic wouldn’t work, that there was no means of making it happen, no matter what he did before congress. That took courage, yes, with Mr. Trump and his many allies ganging up on him. He was trying to reason with actors who were not willing to be reasonable. To me, that’s an important distinction when considering his act as taking a stand to save democracy.
Remember though, Pence *wanted* to do it.
He wanted to give Trump everything.
He then rang up Dan Quayle to ask for advice, and Dan (for perhaps the first time in his life) said something smart and patriotic, and told him no can do, it’s not Constitutional, you’ll just have to do something else nice for Trump in the future.
Pence literally had NO way of doing the thing Trump wanted.
I did not make my point as clearly as intended. I meant to say: not so heroic, not so much a stand for democratic values; more a plea of powerlessness."
I said ever since 1/7/20 that Pence saved Democracy, which it galled me to have to say, and that years from now history books will say so, and dissertations will be written on the subject, which also galls me, but it's true. The man is a wet dishrag, but he stood his ground. It may be the only great thing he ever did, but if I ever meet him (extremely unlikely) I intend to shake his hand and tell him so. I will wash my hands afterwards.
US AG John Ashcroft did something similar. Bush's cohorts visited him in the hospital and tried to make him sign something to extend the Patriot Act, and he refused. I loathe John Ashcroft ( he was previously Missouri's governor, and he was a very bad one) but he Did The Right Thing, possibly for the only time in his entire life.
jesus i forgot that shit - and that was gonzales right? thwarted by mueller and comey right?
do all these people stay in their jobs forever? i've been thru 5 different industries since the early aughts...
Yes, that was Gonzalez, and yes, he was thwarted by Mueller. But mostly Ashcroft lay in his hospital bed and just said NO.
Who had on their bingo card, "Pence calls Dan Qualye and obtains sage advice which Pence takes, saving democracy"?
No me.
I’d tell him but I don’t think he can be alone in a room with me.
No way he knows how to spell “irrefutable,” much less what it means.
My favorite part will be the cell door slamming shut on Trump, and until that happens, I’m not really paying a lot of attention to these breathless screeds. Remember, I’ve been hearing “We’ve got him now!” since 2016 and he’s still walking around free as a bird.
Whew boy President Klan Robe is a mess. But he is empowered by the fact that he is the representative of those who have always had rights in America.
Had this been anyone else they'd have been put under the prison.
Everyone, remember the 30-day deadlines are coming up in a bunch of states. Even if yours isn't one of them, be sure to check that you're still registered!
www.vote.org
www.iwillvote.com
Up and down the ballot, use your powerful vote to give the unreconstructed Republican party no quarter. No matter where you are, your vote sends a message so pour it on. Everyone vote.
And act now to safeguard your registration. Vote as early as possible; remember that part of the Republican strategy is to delay tabulation and then sow chaos.
Mount up!
I checked even though I didn't need to. AND MY EARLY VOTING BALLOT ARRIVED IN THE U.S. MAIL YESTERDAY! WOO HOO!!
Michigan mailed absentee ballots Thurs/Fri Sept. 26-27. Ours arrived Mon. Sept. 30. Mom and I filed them out immediately and I ran them up to the dropbox. Secretary of State website confirms both ballots received Tues Oct. 1. So efficient!
Alright! Give those fash what for on your ballot!
I received an email from BallotTrax that my ballot was on its way and sure enough, it appeared a few days later.
but that's California for ya.
Awww yeah! Time to rock and roll!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr1bLLvsbh0
This ought to be your national anthem.
Is it weird if I feel a tiny sliver of sympathy for Mike Pen- Nah, never mind.
You buy the ticket, you take the ride!
The smartest decision he made was to stay home with Mother during the last few years.
I think he knew if he helped TCF back into the WH Mother would NOT be happy.
I want to live in a 'cloud cuckooland condo'...that sounds really nice.