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beb's avatar

As I was reading this article and saw all the pictures I stopped and wondered, did Dominic write this? Yes, he did. Ta!

I am surprised that there have been 19 annual Netroot Nation conventions. I heard of the first. I don't remember ever hearing about any of the others. This is so unlike CPAC which seems to have a convention two or three times a year and is breathlessly covered by all the media. Big Media os wired for conservatism even though what most people want is more liberalism. Shake me head in despair.

Dominic Gwinn's avatar

Is it dry, not very funny and laden with photos? Yeah, I probably wrote it.

beb's avatar

Your reports are never dry and often funny. And the photos are always excellent.

"M"'s avatar
Jun 10Edited

It was informative and the humor was dry!

I had hoped to attend this year & didn't think I'd have so many event conflicts - plus I didn't even know it was coming up (which is a management rantlet I have in addition to the price of visual training that the Netroots organization offered but which cost was prohibitive to more than one organization w/which I'm affiliated)

I AM, however, thrilled to see that Elie was there and I hope he reminded everyone that HE wrote the Supreme Court Reformation / Expansion template SIX YEARS AGO that Democratic "leadership" proceeded to study and study and study and then ...

ignore

https://bradlander.substack.com/p/live-with-brad-lander-and-elie-mystal

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/epombKDnCgU

https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/anxiety/episodes/case-29-supreme-court-justices

https://www.kalw.org/show/your-call/2022-09-21/elie-mystal-says-expand-the-supreme-court-or-cede-the-next-30-years-of-us-law-to-six-conservative-justices

https://www.acslaw.org/projects/supreme-court-reform/

So grateful for your coverage :-)

el mono's avatar

Thank again Dom for covering this event !!!

I have been to five of these Netroots gatherings over the years and have found them enlightening

to say the least. Being among fellow Progressives is quite exhilarating for certain.

I hope to be in Denver next year !!!

kckitty's avatar

What happened to departing Rep. Jasmine Crockett?

"M"'s avatar

Rep Crockett is on the House floor

"Do Not Use Martin Luther King, Jr to Whitewash Racism"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMiq_SN7XAM&t=1s

and she is also talking about the miscarriage of justice in the Karmelo Anthony case

"Karmelo Anthony, Justice, & Race"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrPQgeiMVDs

Dominic Gwinn's avatar

As far as I know, when Rep. Crockett opted to seek the Democratic nomination for the Texas Senate seat currently occupied by Sen. John Cornyn, she decided not to try and keep her seat in the Texas 30th. I can only assume there's more to the story.

"M"'s avatar

Rep Crockett is on the House floor

"Do Not Use Martin Luther King, Jr to Whitewash Racism"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMiq_SN7XAM&t=1s

and she is also talking about the miscarriage of justice in the Karmelo Anthony case

"Karmelo Anthony, Justice, & Race"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrPQgeiMVDs

Biff52 Lost Canadian's avatar

I saw her on MS Now last night.

"M"'s avatar

Rep Crockett is on the House floor

"Do Not Use Martin Luther King, Jr to Whitewash Racism"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMiq_SN7XAM&t=1s

and she is also talking about the miscarriage of justice in the Karmelo Anthony case

"Karmelo Anthony, Justice, & Race"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrPQgeiMVDs

Mike_Cramer's avatar

"The Nation columnist Elie Mystal criticized the administration of former President Joe Biden for not using the military to provide abortion access on US bases following Texas’s abortion ban."

Not good enouth. He should have used the military on the anti-choice creeps, thus eliminating the need to grant access to US bases.

"M"'s avatar

There are a lot more critiques that can be done about the things the Biden Administration neglected that, had attention been paid to them, the analysis supports that

But a principal central focus of Elie's reporting and policy work has been SCOTUS reform, which he had a full plan for six years ago and which he's been working on and advocating for for a lot longer than that

I am thrilled to see that Elie was there and I hope he reminded everyone that HE wrote the Supreme Court Reformation / Expansion template SIX YEARS AGO that Democratic "leadership" proceeded to study and study and study and then ...

ignore

https://bradlander.substack.com/p/live-with-brad-lander-and-elie-mystal

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/epombKDnCgU

https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/anxiety/episodes/case-29-supreme-court-justices

https://www.kalw.org/show/your-call/2022-09-21/elie-mystal-says-expand-the-supreme-court-or-cede-the-next-30-years-of-us-law-to-six-conservative-justices

https://www.acslaw.org/projects/supreme-court-reform/

Dominic Gwinn's avatar

Mystall expanded upon that, noting that doing so could have spiraled into a civil war. Remember that at the time, there were militia groups hoping Democratic governors and/or the federal government would take a military action on US soil that utilized the National Guard. Other on the more litigious right/left were hoping the federal government would make such a move as a way to set up a SCOTUS challenge the rights of states. The usage of the Guard to guarantee abortion access via the military would have been a defining issue of the 2024 election. On the left, it would have likely been framed as protecting fundamental human/civil rights, while the right probably say Biden was using taxpayer funds for abortions, and the religious right would see it a call to arms - or something equally nonsensical.

Wookiee Monster's avatar

Netroots didn’t have billionaire sugar daddies shoveling money at it for promotion the way Toilet Paper USA did. Plus, progressive conferences don’t revolve the cult of personality that dominates conservative ones. TPUSA was always the Charlie Kirk show. The main attraction was always him “destroying” blue haired coeds in selectively edited videos. Conservatives flocked to these events to learn his secret for “destroying” liberals.

Spoiler: the secret is in the editing.

We’re seeing just how much TPUSA was dependent on being the Charlie Kirk Show now that he’s gone. The organization is floundering and is distracted with civil wars with other conservatives like Candace Owens.

All of the pyrotechnics in the world can’t give the Merry Widow the appeal her husband had.

Susan Niemann's avatar

Perfectly said. 👏👏👏👏👏

Craig Nixon's avatar

Can't even get your junk pummeled at Netroots.

Bagels of Doom's avatar

"It’s nerdy. Very, very nerdy."

I rather have nerds than pinheads everywhere.

BrianW's avatar

I don't think the current version of Daily Kos even covers Netroots Nation anymore.

SethTriggs's avatar

"Further, Netroots is not a place for splashy shows and pompous theatrics, like a Turning Point USA concert."

Part of this is because of Murc's Law. Democrats would not be allowed to have bawdy events because only Democrats are subject to accountability for public and private behavior. Note that this also explains the different tenors of the major party conventions. Note that the Democrats have to be inclusive, celebrating all of America. Meanwhile the Republican convention is now full-throated sadopopulism...not even the "wink wink nudge nudge" Lee Atwater style of the past.

Furthermore, Republican thinktanks, media outlets and legislative chop shops are funded with millionaire and billionaire pocket change. There is no incentive for such people to fund Democratic NGOs because Democratic policy is actually redistributive and therefore goes against their prime directive of hoarding as much wealth as possible.

Bagels of Doom's avatar

Also, being sort of tech-centric but also against tech-oligarchs at the same time isn't helping.

Hollysdower's avatar

Do they not know about open source software and operating systems? Why aren't they promoting that stuff instead of big tech?

And I won't listen to anyone who will even consider AI.

Bagels of Doom's avatar

Tech is an endlessly tangled, sticky web. Ironically, a lot of open source tech (OS, hard, and software) is used by tech-oligarchs.

SethTriggs's avatar

When I used to do social media a lot, there was a big thing about getting away from Xitter and the big techbros. So the people decided to eschew the small platforms like Spoutible (full disclosure I am an investor in Spoutible), giving all the free airtime to feature-incomplete Bluesky...owned by the very techbro who was responsible for letting Xitter become worse over the years.

SethTriggs's avatar

That is a HUGE elephant in the room.

Parakeetist's avatar

OT:

Budgie is watching Portugal vs. Croatia.

It is apparently a repeat of a game from months ago.

satch's avatar

What has always bothered me is that in an ostensibly decent country populated by caring people, we should win in a blowout. TFG's two wins were crushing not because a slug like him was elected, it was because I thought I knew my countrymen, and it turned out I didn't at all.

SethTriggs's avatar

Unfortunately this is baked into the DNA of America and exploited by very, very wealthy and terrible people. A lot of bigots have outsized power because the United States is designed to mollify a slaver planter class, so that is inherited from that legacy.

Elviouslyqueer's avatar

It's gratifying to see the backlash about AI. I very firmly told my boss that I had no interest or intention of using any kind of AI in any aspect of my job, even though she reminded me that all the interns with whom I work are all using it. My response: "Well, guess who's going to be checking their work to make sure it's accurate and not complete bullshit? THIS GUY."

Don't get me wrong. I'm sure there's a time and a place for using AI, but if there's not a backcheck mechanism in place, then it's basically lazy plagiarism.

Demme Epstein Fatale's avatar

Posted this below.

Great to see San Francisco leading the destruction of civilization:

"Stop Hiring Humans" (No, this is not sarcasm, just attention getting, advertising bull shit.)

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dvUjEZosKxI

marxalot's avatar

i work tech support for lawyers; they have to be REALLY CAREFUL that when they ask the law LLM tool to clean things up or draft something, it doesn’t statistically combine a bunch of heavily weighted related terms into citations that don’t exist and clauses that violate laws.

fun!

2Cats2Furious's avatar

I’m so glad I retired from the practice of law before AI became a thing.

Demme Epstein Fatale's avatar

Mr. Demme and his soon-to-retire colleagues agree.

SethTriggs's avatar

"AI," the devious branding that it is, works when you are dealing with pattern matching. This is why in places like Africa, "AI" is being used as a force multiplier for research in finding patterns, instead of a money printer used to subsume creative labor. So it's pretty good at summarizing as long as you have it properly sandboxed.

Also if you're dealing with discrete possibility sets for the patterns, like, say...software development, it definitely can do that and apply solutions. That's why a lot of software devs LOVE AI...they seem to be the main ones that love it. There's a big BUT there though...the devs have to have the actual development chops to properly debug the software.

G-7 in Space's avatar

But how long before the Theocrats declare AI "Satanic"??

You cannot have a machine in God's likeness..

fair_n_hite_451's avatar

I've given up trying to educate the masses on the fact that there isn't actually any "intelligence" in what is currently being labelled "AI". It is literally nothing that wasn't possible 20 years ago, except for the fact that the scale has changed.

VwllssWndr's avatar

Also, politicians these days are much friendlier to surrendering everything to the people who want data centers.

Daniel O'Riordan's avatar

Big business was promised free labor. That's all they hear when you say AI.

And the autonomous thinking machine that can equal or surpass a human being in performance and accuracy is right around the corner. It'll probably be powered by cold fusion.

fair_n_hite_451's avatar

Disagree on the "ability to surpass a human being in accuracy". The AI engines are being trained on humanity's output on the Internet in a large part. You know, that cesspool where people lie like crazy, are comfortable posting the most ridiculous conspiracy theories and generally shit posting their way through life.

You think 4chan and X are contributing to the betterment of the AI engine? They are decidedly not.

Once companies agreed to not curate the training materials for their AI databases, but rather consume everything and anything, accuracy went out the window.

SethTriggs's avatar

Well curation gets in the way of them assuring vendor lock-in by terrible people.

Land Shark 🇺🇦 🏳️‍⚧️'s avatar

You have nailed, EQ. There's a time and use case for AI. Not all jobs and not all work. And I'm a tech kind of person.

Rooster Cogburn's avatar

It's good for two types of work:

Quick summaries that outline main points

Deep dives into data-heavy lifting like genetic sequences in the GB to TB neighborhood.

It sucks at anything in the midzone

Rooster Cogburn's avatar

My boss is a tech guy, but he's also really cool. He loves AI, and I love putting the AI suggested projects into the rational analysis matrix set to "annihilate".

AI will never tell you "that's the dumbest idea that I've ever seen, log off and go take a walk outside".

fair_n_hite_451's avatar

I once said that out loud in an office I'd worked at for all of three days. "That is the dumbest idea I've ever heard".

Was quite proud of myself for that one ... because it was in fact, an abjectly stupid idea. Being old and confident in your experience is incredibly freeing.

I later apologized in private. Because the utterer wasn't stupid, just their idea was.

SethTriggs's avatar

It has to keep blowing smoke up your ass so you're induced to keep using it. I had to use a slopbucket under orders one day and it definitely was giving me the people-pleasing behavior.

marxalot's avatar

dale carnegie makes me itch; anyone or thing that acts like that makes me edgy since i figure i’m being taken for a ride or set up somehow

Frank Talk, Action Pundit!'s avatar

OT: The Bush Administration’s Justice Department may have played a key role in the unprecedented and “secret” plea deal offered to Jeffrey Epstein in 2007, according to an report from the Miami Herald.

𝗘𝘅𝗰𝗹𝘂𝘀𝗶𝘃𝗲: 𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗣𝗮𝗹𝗺 𝗕𝗲𝗮𝗰𝗵 𝗰𝗼𝗽 𝘄𝗵𝗼 𝗝𝗲𝗳𝗳𝗿𝗲𝘆 𝗘𝗽𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗶𝗻 𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱𝗻’𝘁 𝘀𝘁𝗼𝗽

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article315967185.html?giftCode=171a111e460cf9c3e0be730ec794a0e6ac5d97ddedfe45ac36d6ebf5d4462eba

SethTriggs's avatar

Thank goodness for them they're Republicans, else some accountability might happen for that!

GH Swell's avatar

Is Jeb in the Epstein files?

Frank Talk, Action Pundit!'s avatar

"However, after gathering evidence and “interviewing two dozen tearful girls and their parents” over the course of 11 months, he was then “stonewalled by state prosecutors and attacked in the media,” and later, “ostracized by federal prosecutors, who took over the case in early 2007,” the Herald’s report reads."

https://www.rawstory.com/jeffrey-epstein-2677009054/

Schmannity's avatar

Dykes on Trikes is a missed opportunity

fair_n_hite_451's avatar

Ha. I shouted that out at an improv show once. Only time I've seen the performers break down in person.

Zyxomma's avatar

One of the few close friends I had when I lived in Houston in the mid-1970s was Tiger Wilson (she didn't use Anne because of Heart), who died at 59 in 2006. She was the finest living stained glass artist (her slave Claire proudly wore the stained glass and chain bra to concerts), a great guitarist, a substance abuse counselor, and the rider of a self-built trike. Her memory will always be a blessing. Yes to Dykes on Trikes!

VasyaCognito's avatar

OT: The screwworm came to 'Murika as a result of Joe Biden's open border policies!

Aaron Rupar

‪@atrupar.com

Sen. Roger Marshall on screwworm: "This is another thing we can thank Joe Biden for"

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mnrujq2bpr24

Dorothea is a Democrat's avatar

After a while, dude, you just sound so fucking stupid.

Cincinnatus's avatar

HuffPost: "AgSec Brook Rollins, also too: “Under the last administration with the massive movement under the open borders policy, the cartels, etc., border security, that’s when [screwworm] began to make its way back up toward America, hitting Mexico in early 2023, moving its way up through Mexico in 2024,” Rollins said.

The screwworm monitoring program was abruptly terminated in March 2025, after Rollins took over. So, too, were 5,300 other grants and programs killed by the so-called Department of Government Efficiency, when the Elon Musk-led bureau gutted the United States Agency for International Development. At the time, Musk called USAID a “crazy waste of money” and “a radical-left political psy op.”"

SethTriggs's avatar

The asshole knows better, but he knows he has a rightwing media human centipede to tap into and protect him. Expect this to cascade through news article comments from here on out.

Elviouslyqueer's avatar

You'd think that someone like Biden with his dementia and limited mental capacity and inability to read or sign anything without Autopen assistance wouldn't be able to singlehandedly orchestrate an invasion of flesh-eating worms while also *checks notes* allowing an army of immigrants to flood into the country, getting everybody hooked on fentanyl, and forcing everybody to get gay married. And that's just on a normal Tuesday.

Cincinnatus's avatar

"The millions of immigrants brought the screwworm with them!" "It was on their pets! (or pants)" "It was on their skin!"

Schmannity's avatar

I've seen actual screwworms. There's no missing it.

GH Swell's avatar

Did Joe Biden put Elon Musk, DOGE, and RFK Jr in charge of our nation’s defneses against disease? Oh, that was Trump.

Demme Epstein Fatale's avatar

Biden Derangment Syndrome

Tasner Hasenpfeffer's avatar

Joe Biden allowed illegal Mexican screw worms to flood over BORDER! Trump will only allow white Afrikaaner screw worms in!

Schmannity's avatar

Livid backlash as MAGA officials blame Biden for screwworm: 'Did he build a time machine?'

"Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins and Sen. Roger Marshall (R-KS) sparked widespread mockery Monday after both appeared on Newsmax to blame former President Joe Biden for the screwworm emergency now threatening Texas cattle — despite the Trump administration's own cuts to the very monitoring programs designed to stop the parasite."

https://www.rawstory.com/maga-blames-biden-screwworm/

wobbly's avatar

Obama finally catches a break.

EyeQueue's avatar

These sorry motherfuckers.

Dirty goddamned racists.

The screwworms probably fell out of Ken Paxton's fucking diseased fucking ass.

Ambiance Chaser's avatar

Really, Tapper should just pick up those checks at this point . . .

Anarchy Pony's avatar

It really, explicitly, is not something we can blame Joe Biden for.

Frank Talk, Action Pundit!'s avatar

Also the fact that I dropped a fried egg on the floor this morning while making our breakfast.

Donald Laporte's avatar

OH, fuck off with that noise. Prick.

Ambiance Chaser's avatar

The way I see it, the only way the UFC WH event could be worth it is if that huge arch is actually a mind flayer . . .

Seek's avatar

I’m rooting for thunderstorms because that will be fucking hilarious.

SethTriggs's avatar

I'm rooting for tofu dreg!

Lochspring's avatar

Counterpoint: presumes brains not in evidence.