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I was moved by the opening paragraphs of Paine's "Age Of Reason", thinking "I'm not alone, there are, or were, other people who have had these thoughts!"; and then I read his argument for the existence of a creator, and was deeply disappointed that it was nothing more than the old "prime mover" horseshit. Still, I'd rather have deism as the dominant faith in the U.S. than the pseudo-Judeo-Christianity we've saddled ourselves with.

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Also, too, "musselman", which sounds like something else to the modern ear.

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Some of them claim that the "higher power" doesn't have to be God, but I'm pretty sure they're not praying to the quantum wave function to collapse into a state that keeps them sober. Although maybe the folks at gamblers' anonymous would go for that.

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I'm not sure what he thinks this will accomplish. The text of the oath is already prescribed by law, and includes the words "so help me God". Does he think this bill can prevent the courts from declaring that portion of the oath to be a violation of Constitution's article six prohibition against religious tests for office holders?

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Oh I can imagine...my ex-MIL has never forgiven me for the church thing and for raising the offspring without religion. She refuses to acknowledge that her son was an atheist before he ever met me. In fact, both sides of our family were freaked out when we didn't baptize the offspring in any church. Ex-MIL made muttery noises about getting him baptized on the sly, to which I responded that she should enjoy the day because that's the last she'd ever see of him. My (originally Catholic, now evangelical) mother responded to the non-baptism by relentlessly proselytizing the kid throughout his childhood and into adulthood. The result - the offspring is more of an anti-theist than I am.

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Yep. I was thinking Salzman should drop a dime to the IRS to take a gander a Pepper's past returns. At the very least, the library needs to ban Pepper if she's conducting commerce in a public facility.

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That is totally smurfed up.

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How is there not a lawsuit here?

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Apparently you can. Just hang out that shingle!

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they would never have given my children back, after i answered that god is an evil lie, told to control people,and extort money from them. and when the federal court, and the ACLU got done with them, my kids wouldn't have to worry about money any more in our new home in hawaii.

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yea, and it seems most are conservative "moral" crusaders. can't imagine why.

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i'll take, "none of it", for the win, wink.

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What do you expect from a community that is so pathetic, classless and willfully ignorant that they need the government to prop up their religion?

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"Now, a thinking person might wonder if the court (aka, The Government) can compel citizens to attend religious-based classes and participate in prayer, because of that whole First Amendment separation of church and state thing."

It is my understanding that drinky drivers can be forced, by courts, to attend AA meetings, and in those meetings are forced to submit to a higher being (of your choice, I guess). How is that shit even legal?

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Are the comments on here also satire,or do these idiots not realize that this story is satire ???

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The story is not satire. It's real.

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