There's an ongoing debate over whether boycotts and economic sanctions against states like Texas that pass oppressive laws are an effective measure or if they only hurt the most economically vulnerable, who can't readily leave the state. My own thoughts are complicated on the issue, so for now let's just enjoy this corporate nice time.
@SER This is, more or less, why US foreign policy has moved (imperfectly) away from total embargoes of entire countries and towards targeted sanction.
If NY seized the trading accounts of Governor Abbott and other prominent Texans who had significant responsibility for this monstrosity you'd get a much better policy, with much better effectiveness. Sadly we won't get that, but I mention this to say,
1) Your mixed feelings about widespread (esp statewide) boycotts are reasonablebut also2) there are other things we can advocate besides indiscriminate boycotts. Things that have been explored and tested in other contexts already. We don't have to reinvent the wheel. We just have to roll it over the finances of the white nationalist theocratic male supremacists until those finances are pulverized beyond repair.
We can, of course, use the promise of relenting on that economic destruction of white nationalist wealth to encourage the fuckheads themselves to change their behavior... but we can also let them change their behavior and still continue to crush their wealth beneath the slow, heavy wheels of justice until they have no power to abuse anymore.
I was 16 weeks when I found out I was pregnant with my daughter. My clothing had gotten a little tighter but I put that down to having a sit down job and too much chocolate.Couldn't go by tracking my cycle as I didn't really have one, and I'd been told I was infertile by my doctor.
PCOS is a bastard.
I still waited right up until the last minute to decide whether or not to proceed with the pregnancy. I have 2 brothers with severe ASD and at the time the belief was autism was 4 times more likely to occur in boys than in girls. If my daughter had been a son at the 20 week scan things may have turned out differently. I love both of my brothers, but I know I'm not equipped to care for someone with their additional needs.
Yep. I’m glad my response was helpful, and thanks for putting up with my prolixity. It’s one of the curses of being a lawyer who doesn’t give myself time to edit down.
The people who are minimizing what’s going on, and how evil this law actually is, are really pissing me off (not you, of course). So I tend to over-explain in the pursuit of accuracy.
I probably need a time-out to look at animal photos.
Your explanation was perfect. I just wanted to know if the lack of actual proof of abortion was likely to be an obstacle or if they were just going to try suing any woman who set foot in a PP clinic at any time and for any reason. You've answered that brilliantly as well as explaining how the legal system will deal (or not) with all this fuckery.
Find ways to support the nearly half of Texans who are trying to change this. The trend in Texas is going the right way, because the right kind of people are moving there, and voting. Boycotts aren't going to help--not only are they more likely to punish the vulnerable, but anything that drives liberals from the state is a net plus for Republicans.
Only horse and buggy Lyft drivers are exempt in Texas, and only if they take more than six weeks to deliver the woman to a clinic. That makes it the responsibility of the clinic to deny services. It's all very logical
They are most definitely not doing this for the general good, but for their own good. Their calculus is, in my opinion, correct. For their drivers and, more importantly, for the people who take Lyfts and Ubers, their "support" of drivers is almost certainly great for their corporate image and, therefore, their bottom lines.
It is nice when the general good coincides with the corporate greed is good good, but that is a really shitty way to run a country. "Hey, let's hope that ensuring the rights of women is good for the corporate bottom line" is not a great way of ensuring the rights of women (or workers, to name one obvious example where both companies have been absolutely horrific). Because, you know, if it wasn't deemed good for their respective corporate bottom lines, neither of these companies would touch this with a 1000 foot pole.
So, yeah, sure "yay Lyft and Uber" you are on the right side here, so kudos!
"There's an ongoing debate over whether boycotts and economic sanctions against states like Texas that pass oppressive laws are an effective measure or if they only hurt the most economically vulnerable, who can't readily leave the state."
Don't say mean things about the unvaccinated. Don't point out that Proud Boys are homophobic closet cases. Don't boycott fascist states. Don't point out that part of Marjorie Taylor's Greene's issues with other women have to to with her unfortunate face. After all, we want to be "positive" and "not stoop to their level."
Fuck bringing a knife to a gun fight: Y'all want us to go to the gunfight, place our foreheads against the gun barrel and ask to be shot. And say "please" because woke folks need to show good manners.
And I'll add to my last comment that this provides both companies a golden opportunity to burnish their entirely well deserved reputations for being awful on labor rights by fighting for a cause that will be very good for their PR with both drivers and riders. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they'd wouldn't be wise to donate to crazy fucking Republicans to get more of these PR opportunities. To name one example of how well this is working, I just saw the head counsel for Lyft getting tongue lashed by Nicole Wallace, who I generally like a lot, for taking this "brave" stance in favor of womens' rights, which anyone but the craziest fucking Republican, agrees with.
One of the writers at LGM made the very good point that whatever your stance on boycotts is, would you, as, say, a young woman want to go to college in a state that will, effectively, not let you exercise the rights over your medical care? If you are a recent college grad would you ever want to work in a state that does the same.
"Because she was seeking a then-illegal medical procedure in no way let's the doctor off the hook for raping her. The doctor would have been roundly convicted."
You actually believe this?
Must be nice to be completely ignorant of how rape trials play out in America....
As a veteran delivery driver for postmates (owned by Uber) and door dash I offer them my heartiest golf clap. To think this is anything but a PR attempt is to fall victim to their relentless bullshit. Those same drivers they say they will legally protect are also the same drivers they mercilessly exploit on a daily basis. Yes when corporations do the right thing they should be acknowledged and encouraged to keep going. However when they have an unbroken history of doing the wrong thing willfully the fig leaves they display shouldn’t be allowed to cover up their ongoing crimes nor diminish the pressure being put on them to change all their other horrible practices and policies that hurt their “independent contractors.”
If you’d like to know/do more, check out the #PayUp campaign which is a national project of Working Washington. For more info, visit payup.wtf
So, we were going to drive our RV with California license plates to Texas to visit family. Considering that they have an open-carry law and that a large block of Texans who like that law also seem to have a virulent case of California Derangement Syndrome, we've decided not to grace the state with our presence for a while.
Does that mean we are hurting the poor folks in Texas? I'll gladly donate to get out the vote efforts.
They looked SUPER pissed off. I was hoping they got my point - we all like different music, and you probably don't want to listen to mine anymore than I want to listen to yours.
Note: I don't particularly like Neil Young, other than one song.
There's an ongoing debate over whether boycotts and economic sanctions against states like Texas that pass oppressive laws are an effective measure or if they only hurt the most economically vulnerable, who can't readily leave the state. My own thoughts are complicated on the issue, so for now let's just enjoy this corporate nice time.
@SER This is, more or less, why US foreign policy has moved (imperfectly) away from total embargoes of entire countries and towards targeted sanction.
If NY seized the trading accounts of Governor Abbott and other prominent Texans who had significant responsibility for this monstrosity you'd get a much better policy, with much better effectiveness. Sadly we won't get that, but I mention this to say,
1) Your mixed feelings about widespread (esp statewide) boycotts are reasonablebut also2) there are other things we can advocate besides indiscriminate boycotts. Things that have been explored and tested in other contexts already. We don't have to reinvent the wheel. We just have to roll it over the finances of the white nationalist theocratic male supremacists until those finances are pulverized beyond repair.
We can, of course, use the promise of relenting on that economic destruction of white nationalist wealth to encourage the fuckheads themselves to change their behavior... but we can also let them change their behavior and still continue to crush their wealth beneath the slow, heavy wheels of justice until they have no power to abuse anymore.
I was 16 weeks when I found out I was pregnant with my daughter. My clothing had gotten a little tighter but I put that down to having a sit down job and too much chocolate.Couldn't go by tracking my cycle as I didn't really have one, and I'd been told I was infertile by my doctor.
PCOS is a bastard.
I still waited right up until the last minute to decide whether or not to proceed with the pregnancy. I have 2 brothers with severe ASD and at the time the belief was autism was 4 times more likely to occur in boys than in girls. If my daughter had been a son at the 20 week scan things may have turned out differently. I love both of my brothers, but I know I'm not equipped to care for someone with their additional needs.
Yep. I’m glad my response was helpful, and thanks for putting up with my prolixity. It’s one of the curses of being a lawyer who doesn’t give myself time to edit down.
The people who are minimizing what’s going on, and how evil this law actually is, are really pissing me off (not you, of course). So I tend to over-explain in the pursuit of accuracy.
I probably need a time-out to look at animal photos.
Your explanation was perfect. I just wanted to know if the lack of actual proof of abortion was likely to be an obstacle or if they were just going to try suing any woman who set foot in a PP clinic at any time and for any reason. You've answered that brilliantly as well as explaining how the legal system will deal (or not) with all this fuckery.
Thank you.
Find ways to support the nearly half of Texans who are trying to change this. The trend in Texas is going the right way, because the right kind of people are moving there, and voting. Boycotts aren't going to help--not only are they more likely to punish the vulnerable, but anything that drives liberals from the state is a net plus for Republicans.
Only horse and buggy Lyft drivers are exempt in Texas, and only if they take more than six weeks to deliver the woman to a clinic. That makes it the responsibility of the clinic to deny services. It's all very logical
They are most definitely not doing this for the general good, but for their own good. Their calculus is, in my opinion, correct. For their drivers and, more importantly, for the people who take Lyfts and Ubers, their "support" of drivers is almost certainly great for their corporate image and, therefore, their bottom lines.
It is nice when the general good coincides with the corporate greed is good good, but that is a really shitty way to run a country. "Hey, let's hope that ensuring the rights of women is good for the corporate bottom line" is not a great way of ensuring the rights of women (or workers, to name one obvious example where both companies have been absolutely horrific). Because, you know, if it wasn't deemed good for their respective corporate bottom lines, neither of these companies would touch this with a 1000 foot pole.
So, yeah, sure "yay Lyft and Uber" you are on the right side here, so kudos!
"There's an ongoing debate over whether boycotts and economic sanctions against states like Texas that pass oppressive laws are an effective measure or if they only hurt the most economically vulnerable, who can't readily leave the state."
Don't say mean things about the unvaccinated. Don't point out that Proud Boys are homophobic closet cases. Don't boycott fascist states. Don't point out that part of Marjorie Taylor's Greene's issues with other women have to to with her unfortunate face. After all, we want to be "positive" and "not stoop to their level."
Fuck bringing a knife to a gun fight: Y'all want us to go to the gunfight, place our foreheads against the gun barrel and ask to be shot. And say "please" because woke folks need to show good manners.
And I'll add to my last comment that this provides both companies a golden opportunity to burnish their entirely well deserved reputations for being awful on labor rights by fighting for a cause that will be very good for their PR with both drivers and riders. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they'd wouldn't be wise to donate to crazy fucking Republicans to get more of these PR opportunities. To name one example of how well this is working, I just saw the head counsel for Lyft getting tongue lashed by Nicole Wallace, who I generally like a lot, for taking this "brave" stance in favor of womens' rights, which anyone but the craziest fucking Republican, agrees with.
One of the writers at LGM made the very good point that whatever your stance on boycotts is, would you, as, say, a young woman want to go to college in a state that will, effectively, not let you exercise the rights over your medical care? If you are a recent college grad would you ever want to work in a state that does the same.
"I may have gotten through to her this time."
I bet you tell yourself that a lot.
"Because she was seeking a then-illegal medical procedure in no way let's the doctor off the hook for raping her. The doctor would have been roundly convicted."
You actually believe this?
Must be nice to be completely ignorant of how rape trials play out in America....
As a veteran delivery driver for postmates (owned by Uber) and door dash I offer them my heartiest golf clap. To think this is anything but a PR attempt is to fall victim to their relentless bullshit. Those same drivers they say they will legally protect are also the same drivers they mercilessly exploit on a daily basis. Yes when corporations do the right thing they should be acknowledged and encouraged to keep going. However when they have an unbroken history of doing the wrong thing willfully the fig leaves they display shouldn’t be allowed to cover up their ongoing crimes nor diminish the pressure being put on them to change all their other horrible practices and policies that hurt their “independent contractors.”
If you’d like to know/do more, check out the #PayUp campaign which is a national project of Working Washington. For more info, visit payup.wtf
So, we were going to drive our RV with California license plates to Texas to visit family. Considering that they have an open-carry law and that a large block of Texans who like that law also seem to have a virulent case of California Derangement Syndrome, we've decided not to grace the state with our presence for a while.
Does that mean we are hurting the poor folks in Texas? I'll gladly donate to get out the vote efforts.
The sanctions against South Africa definitely helped to end apartheid. Just sayin'.
They looked SUPER pissed off. I was hoping they got my point - we all like different music, and you probably don't want to listen to mine anymore than I want to listen to yours.
Note: I don't particularly like Neil Young, other than one song.