I was um, good friends with a construction worker who moved back to the midwest because Oregon's gun laws were getting a little too restrictive for him (although our marijuana laws were juuuuuust right). He is one of the smartest people I've ever met, but was anti-union. It's so frustrating.
I've driven a Chevy Volt for ten years and it's a great car. I always thought my next car would be a Tesla, but Eloon ruined the brand for me. Fuck that guy!
His entire idea of keeping advertising costs to zero was about having him be the center of attention and in the public consciousness at all times. As he is also an egomaniac this fit both of his goals, however he forgot that one of the tradeoffs was that people would be able to easily refer to his mendacious pronouncements and at some point they would realize that he is a serial liar as well as a toxic buffoon.
Now his clownshow is going to have definite repercussions on his businesses and as his wealth is tied to the price of his stock once people realize that Tesla is just a car company and can't be priced at the insane P/E (price earnings ratio) it currently is because Full Self Driving isn't going to happen then he won't be rich, in fact he could go bankrupt as half of his current supposed "wealth" is pledged against loans.
fun fact - the car key for those expensive cars is your phone. we recently had a telco experience a day long nationwide outage. Guess who couldn't get their cars started? yup, tesla drivers
The crazy thing is that full self driving is a possibility - other companies like Waymo are already doing it - but Musk is convinced his way is the best way. Just like he’s convinced that building boosters with ever bigger rockets is the only way to go to space, and letting everyone say whatever they want, about whomever they want, no matter how wrong or damaging, is the only way to run a social media platform.
(I’d be willing to bet that Musk wants to do full self driving his way because he thinks those radar thingees on top of the Waymo cars look too dorky.)
I feel so hostile about those cars. Just reading about a recent bad crash in SF. A Cruise car. The company attempts to make it reasonable by explaining the mistake. "The software failed to take adequate account of a pedestrian posititioned in its path."
Full self driving is such a bad idea for this exact reason. I think if full self driving is going to be a thing, then the CEO of the company who sells the system needs to accept personal liability for accidents.
I think it was when he got all huffy and had a beef with Mobile Eye and cancelled the contract with them. He's a petulant child and likes to take his ball and run away. Now he can't admit they had a point, so he painted himself into a corner.
not directly. they can only give tickets to drivers breaking the law. Then owners sue Tesla for liability. Mostly Tesla wins, but I think they had to pay out a couple cases.
If I saw one of these accidents happen I would be so bitter. But as it is it's so unbelievable to me that cars like this even exist. I don't think we have them in this town.
Also, given that Musk reneged on even his lame ass promises, my guess is Tesla workers will be just a wee bit more skeptical of anything he says next time around.
One of my biggest heartbreaks - a guy I had a crush on in grade school became a union-buster. There's a poultry processing plant near me that slow-rolled contract negotiations and pointed the finger at the union and blamed them. The president (and former crush) said that if the workers eliminated the union, it would streamline the relationship between workers and management. Through some major fuckery, he succeeded. That's bad enough.
But you know what's just as evil? Every year he has the workers donate their time to fill Thanksgiving boxes for the poor. So, basically, he gets the folks who process the poultry to come in on their day off to fill boxes with food that will be a big tax write-off for his company.
"But you know what's just as evil? Every year he has the workers donate their time to fill Thanksgiving boxes for the poor. So, basically, he gets the folks who process the poultry to come in on their day off to fill boxes with food that will be a big tax write-off for his company."
That feels like that should be illegal. Their wages for this charity should also be a write-off, one would think.
Even though your hair doesn't really stand up on the back of your neck at the thought of very wrong phenomena, it surely seems as if it does. I can testify to that, having read that Musk, facing his employees and their union dreams, he said, "We'll have a so-fun party and we'll have
frozen yogurt you can eat AT WORK. When will I be myself again?
I suspect very hard times for Tesla and Musk. ALL the big auto manufacturers are headed to electric, and soon. Tesla had that “ooooo, we can be fancy trendy and drive a fancy EV that isn’t a Volt or Prius!” But trucks, suvs, sports cars, you name it. The choices are coming and soon. X obviously sucks and ruined Twitter. Next up is Tesla, when they can’t compete with the prices and variety or feel “special” anymore. I could be wrong, but I hope not.
I predict they will pivot to manufacturing the plugs only. All automakers agreed to use the Tesla plugs. That’s where the cash cow is, not the cars. My bet is if they try unionizing he will shut down the cars and turn to plugs in a right to work state.
The Society of Automotive Engineers decided in June to make the Tesla plug the automotive standard. GM and Ford decided to voluntarily adopt it, but the NACS was chosen because Tesla had the largest EV market share, and its Superchargers offer the fastest charge.
The changeover will happen in 2025, possibly for the 2026 model year. For the cars using the CCS standard, OEM or aftermarket NACS-to-CCS adapters are going to be available. Tesla has a few Magic Dock adapter plugs at its Supercharger islands. The adapters will not allow a faster charge, however. That still depends on the capacity of the vehicle.
I haven't seen anything about whether Elon will get to collect a royalty for every NACS charger or vehicle outlet built, or if Tesla will hold a license for the NACS that carmakers must pay tribute to.
It made total sense that they switched, absolutely. Definitely more Tesla chargers around than others. Here in Canada Canadian Tire has Tesla chargers and that’ll get you across huge swathes of the country if not the whole thing.
I gotta imagine they will at minimum get $$$ for the license tho. If they don’t he’s even dumber than I thought.
But that would be a sensible business decision (from the Tesla point of view, at least). Is Musk known for sensible business decisions? Or utterly stupid ego-driven decisions?
A big problem for Tesla is shoddy workmanship, propagating recalls and their onerous exclusive maintenance contract (that you had to sign when you put down a deposit) . I used to live in Carlsbad CA.....halfway between San Diego and Santa Ana (rich people country). I cannot count the number of times I passed stalled Tesla's on the side of the 5 freeway or being loaded onto a roll-back for transport to the nearest service center.
The other Big 4 auto makers have MUCH better QC (especially Toyota).......Tesla's days are numbered........anyone remember Saturn?
Toyota (and Subaru) unfortunately whiffed on their first EV, the BZ4X/Solterra (same car). It would be pretty impressive for a California compliance car, but the EV has both low range and a slow charge capacity. Subaru has only sold less than a thousand of the Solterras.
I do, because I still own one, and the main reason we've had any problems with it in the last 6 years is because after it became my wife's primary vehicle, it ended up sitting idle in the drive for months at a time because now that she works from home, she never drives herself anywhere if she can help it. Yes, the steering wheel covering is coming apart, but so will any car's that primarily sits in the sunshine 365 days a year for 12 years.
ETA: My point being, do NOT compare my Saturn with Elmo's trash.
I would never disparage Saturn for shoddy workmanship. That was more a comment on how quickly a good idea can go South. Saturn was a GMC offshoot designed to compete with Japanese imports (an almost impossible task). Toyota and Nissan continued to crush the compact market and Saturn could never return an equitable profit margin........a death sentence in the corporate world. When Tesla has to REALLY start competing with the BIG GIANT manufacturers, they are toast.
Tesla has nothing new waiting in the wings to take on the increasing competition, unless you count the Cybertruck. I saw one on the road today, and it is horrendous.
I remember when they first came out Car and driver or someone said they weren't just the best EV but the best car period. Did they deteriorate somehow?
Yogurt and fantasy tramways. I get that he’s got Asperger’s or something preventing normal empathy, but he’s always showing people how little regard he has for them, right down to a few wives and handful of kids. Ladies, please stop having babies with Elon Musk. Do better.
My view is not “eat the rich”, it’s make eLoon Muck poor!
I was um, good friends with a construction worker who moved back to the midwest because Oregon's gun laws were getting a little too restrictive for him (although our marijuana laws were juuuuuust right). He is one of the smartest people I've ever met, but was anti-union. It's so frustrating.
Why doesn't tbe Board of Tesla get rid of this fucker? He is taking the company down.
I've driven a Chevy Volt for ten years and it's a great car. I always thought my next car would be a Tesla, but Eloon ruined the brand for me. Fuck that guy!
even NOW?
BREAK HIM!!
Why does anyone still believe anything Elon Musk says at this point?
stockholme syndrome, stupidity, and emerald envy would be my guess
the same reason that the crew of the Jupiter spaceship never gang murder Dr Smith
Gang murder. Geez, Penny could have taken Dr. Smith.
Why should she gave all the fun is what I'm sayin'
His entire idea of keeping advertising costs to zero was about having him be the center of attention and in the public consciousness at all times. As he is also an egomaniac this fit both of his goals, however he forgot that one of the tradeoffs was that people would be able to easily refer to his mendacious pronouncements and at some point they would realize that he is a serial liar as well as a toxic buffoon.
Now his clownshow is going to have definite repercussions on his businesses and as his wealth is tied to the price of his stock once people realize that Tesla is just a car company and can't be priced at the insane P/E (price earnings ratio) it currently is because Full Self Driving isn't going to happen then he won't be rich, in fact he could go bankrupt as half of his current supposed "wealth" is pledged against loans.
You aren't considering the value of his brand! You obviously don't understand these things.
fun fact - the car key for those expensive cars is your phone. we recently had a telco experience a day long nationwide outage. Guess who couldn't get their cars started? yup, tesla drivers
Ehh, still have a physical key card. Fake news.
The crazy thing is that full self driving is a possibility - other companies like Waymo are already doing it - but Musk is convinced his way is the best way. Just like he’s convinced that building boosters with ever bigger rockets is the only way to go to space, and letting everyone say whatever they want, about whomever they want, no matter how wrong or damaging, is the only way to run a social media platform.
(I’d be willing to bet that Musk wants to do full self driving his way because he thinks those radar thingees on top of the Waymo cars look too dorky.)
Musk doesn't believe in free speech, he believes that MAGAts can say what ever they want, but liberals have no such right.
I feel so hostile about those cars. Just reading about a recent bad crash in SF. A Cruise car. The company attempts to make it reasonable by explaining the mistake. "The software failed to take adequate account of a pedestrian posititioned in its path."
Full self driving is such a bad idea for this exact reason. I think if full self driving is going to be a thing, then the CEO of the company who sells the system needs to accept personal liability for accidents.
I think it was when he got all huffy and had a beef with Mobile Eye and cancelled the contract with them. He's a petulant child and likes to take his ball and run away. Now he can't admit they had a point, so he painted himself into a corner.
Can't the police say, "this isn't working, Elon." ?
not directly. they can only give tickets to drivers breaking the law. Then owners sue Tesla for liability. Mostly Tesla wins, but I think they had to pay out a couple cases.
If I saw one of these accidents happen I would be so bitter. But as it is it's so unbelievable to me that cars like this even exist. I don't think we have them in this town.
Also, given that Musk reneged on even his lame ass promises, my guess is Tesla workers will be just a wee bit more skeptical of anything he says next time around.
Fro Yo Elmo!!!!!!
don’t blame the froyo
Hey, Elon: Fro You!
"...It’s going to get crazy good.”
Suspension of disbelief is essential for reading fiction and anyfuckingthing that Tweelon says...
One of my biggest heartbreaks - a guy I had a crush on in grade school became a union-buster. There's a poultry processing plant near me that slow-rolled contract negotiations and pointed the finger at the union and blamed them. The president (and former crush) said that if the workers eliminated the union, it would streamline the relationship between workers and management. Through some major fuckery, he succeeded. That's bad enough.
But you know what's just as evil? Every year he has the workers donate their time to fill Thanksgiving boxes for the poor. So, basically, he gets the folks who process the poultry to come in on their day off to fill boxes with food that will be a big tax write-off for his company.
I pray I never see that fuck in person. EVER.
"But you know what's just as evil? Every year he has the workers donate their time to fill Thanksgiving boxes for the poor. So, basically, he gets the folks who process the poultry to come in on their day off to fill boxes with food that will be a big tax write-off for his company."
That feels like that should be illegal. Their wages for this charity should also be a write-off, one would think.
Even though your hair doesn't really stand up on the back of your neck at the thought of very wrong phenomena, it surely seems as if it does. I can testify to that, having read that Musk, facing his employees and their union dreams, he said, "We'll have a so-fun party and we'll have
frozen yogurt you can eat AT WORK. When will I be myself again?
I love Shawn Fain! He's gonna eat Elon for breakfast and shit him out before noon.
I suspect very hard times for Tesla and Musk. ALL the big auto manufacturers are headed to electric, and soon. Tesla had that “ooooo, we can be fancy trendy and drive a fancy EV that isn’t a Volt or Prius!” But trucks, suvs, sports cars, you name it. The choices are coming and soon. X obviously sucks and ruined Twitter. Next up is Tesla, when they can’t compete with the prices and variety or feel “special” anymore. I could be wrong, but I hope not.
I predict they will pivot to manufacturing the plugs only. All automakers agreed to use the Tesla plugs. That’s where the cash cow is, not the cars. My bet is if they try unionizing he will shut down the cars and turn to plugs in a right to work state.
The Society of Automotive Engineers decided in June to make the Tesla plug the automotive standard. GM and Ford decided to voluntarily adopt it, but the NACS was chosen because Tesla had the largest EV market share, and its Superchargers offer the fastest charge.
The changeover will happen in 2025, possibly for the 2026 model year. For the cars using the CCS standard, OEM or aftermarket NACS-to-CCS adapters are going to be available. Tesla has a few Magic Dock adapter plugs at its Supercharger islands. The adapters will not allow a faster charge, however. That still depends on the capacity of the vehicle.
I haven't seen anything about whether Elon will get to collect a royalty for every NACS charger or vehicle outlet built, or if Tesla will hold a license for the NACS that carmakers must pay tribute to.
It made total sense that they switched, absolutely. Definitely more Tesla chargers around than others. Here in Canada Canadian Tire has Tesla chargers and that’ll get you across huge swathes of the country if not the whole thing.
I gotta imagine they will at minimum get $$$ for the license tho. If they don’t he’s even dumber than I thought.
Canadian Tire. Reminds me of Bob and Doug! I miss them. Many of their best stories seemed to start out at Canadian Tire.
But that would be a sensible business decision (from the Tesla point of view, at least). Is Musk known for sensible business decisions? Or utterly stupid ego-driven decisions?
He'll change the plugs, will start calling them "X Plugs" and the bottom will drop out of that market, too.
He shouldn't have put a little picture of his own face and red cheeks on the top of each one. It made them so expensive bc hand made.
A big problem for Tesla is shoddy workmanship, propagating recalls and their onerous exclusive maintenance contract (that you had to sign when you put down a deposit) . I used to live in Carlsbad CA.....halfway between San Diego and Santa Ana (rich people country). I cannot count the number of times I passed stalled Tesla's on the side of the 5 freeway or being loaded onto a roll-back for transport to the nearest service center.
The other Big 4 auto makers have MUCH better QC (especially Toyota).......Tesla's days are numbered........anyone remember Saturn?
They are shitty cars and he's a shitty, unethical businessman.
In case anyone missed this a month or so ago: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints from Reuters at https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/
Toyota (and Subaru) unfortunately whiffed on their first EV, the BZ4X/Solterra (same car). It would be pretty impressive for a California compliance car, but the EV has both low range and a slow charge capacity. Subaru has only sold less than a thousand of the Solterras.
Correction: According to InsideEVs, Subaru has shipped close to 7,000 Solterras.
I do, because I still own one, and the main reason we've had any problems with it in the last 6 years is because after it became my wife's primary vehicle, it ended up sitting idle in the drive for months at a time because now that she works from home, she never drives herself anywhere if she can help it. Yes, the steering wheel covering is coming apart, but so will any car's that primarily sits in the sunshine 365 days a year for 12 years.
ETA: My point being, do NOT compare my Saturn with Elmo's trash.
I would never disparage Saturn for shoddy workmanship. That was more a comment on how quickly a good idea can go South. Saturn was a GMC offshoot designed to compete with Japanese imports (an almost impossible task). Toyota and Nissan continued to crush the compact market and Saturn could never return an equitable profit margin........a death sentence in the corporate world. When Tesla has to REALLY start competing with the BIG GIANT manufacturers, they are toast.
Tesla has nothing new waiting in the wings to take on the increasing competition, unless you count the Cybertruck. I saw one on the road today, and it is horrendous.
I remember when they first came out Car and driver or someone said they weren't just the best EV but the best car period. Did they deteriorate somehow?
I suspect what we Brits call 'a brown envelope' may have been in play there.
Oh.
Ta, Robyn. Solidarity forever.
Yogurt and fantasy tramways. I get that he’s got Asperger’s or something preventing normal empathy, but he’s always showing people how little regard he has for them, right down to a few wives and handful of kids. Ladies, please stop having babies with Elon Musk. Do better.
Not an aspy, an asshole.
Ah, he’s not an aspy. He’s an ass-he.
Autism doesn't mess with empathy.
Sometimes it sure does. No offense.
Something is interfering with his.
Sociopath, not autism.
Sounds about right