“The thoughts won’t stop. Help me.” This is heartbreaking. This kid was literally crying out for help and the adults in his life did not give a single fuck. I’m not putting this on school administrators, but maybe someone could have taken to searching this kid’s backpack when he came to school or checking his locker for a gun? Maybe called the authorities and said “Hey his parents are a mess and this kid is going through some shit, we need help!” I read somewhere that the job his dad had to get back to was his Door Dash gig. Are there that many people ordering Door Dash during school hours that the dad couldn’t put it off a few hours (like dinner time?) to continue working and spend time with his son? As a former teenage boy, I have another question: who in the fuck buys a raging ball of hormones and poor impulse control (teenager) a gun?! That’s the definition of insanity.
Based on the circumstances, it seems like the Crumbley parents were practically daring their troubled son to use that gun on himself. Their lack of compassion for him should be criminal too. We wouldn't hear about that story, because it happens all the time. Teens die by suicide tragically often, and guns in the home make adolescent impulsiveness instantly lethal.
The Crumbleys got tripped up by those four other lives lost due to their carelessness. It's about time the justice system moves beyond demonizing the teenage shooter toward inculpating those who enabled him. Their brains had plenty of years to develop, and no excuse not to.
Cool. Now Crumbles won't have to worry anymore about anyone prying one of his *bang*bang* sticks from his useless cold dead and deadly irresponsible fingers ever again!
This is a landmark case, and a long overdue one. This is a badly needed precedent that will hopefully be embraced by other states and will make a few homes safer.
Ta, Robyn. Why is this the only country on Earth that coddles the ammosexual? The answer is NOT the Second Amendment, which begins by talking about a well-regulated militia.
I feel so badly for those kids and their families. How can you ever cope with such a tragically avoidable loss? I also do feel some sympathy for Ethan Crumbley himself. He was ill, needed help, knew he needed help, and asked for it. His parents ignored his pleas, and he begged for help that day, spelling that out on his paper, and the school and parents failed him.
There is clearly no excuse for his behavior. He seemed to bring his new gun to school on possibly the first available day after receiving it as a gift a few days before. He was in pain, and he was hearing things and having terrifying thoughts. He’s a victim of his parents’ miserable parenting. Few kids that age should be anywhere near firearms, except maybe at gun safety class under direct supervision with the goal being to educate and improve safety. And that’s healthy, normally adjusted kids. Crumbley wasn’t healthy or adjusted at all. There were signs everywhere. Had his selfish, careless parents simply mentioned “we did recently buy him a gun as a gift,” this tragedy almost surely wouldn’t have occurred. The school would have asked where the gun is, is it locked, and checked his backpack and locker. Even if the parents didn’t volunteer that info, did the school officials ask? Does your child have access to guns?
In America today, school officials should assume troubled kids DO have access to guns, and act accordingly to prevent these tragedies. Now several kids are dead, several more are wounded and emotionally scarred, and many families are shattered. Maybe Ethan will get some mental health help, as he spends his life behind bars thanks to his parents.
This is what’s so bothersome. My mother wasn’t a helicopter mom, but she kept up with me and my brothers. If something was off with any of us, she picked up on it. Had I written a note like that and my school found it? The older I get the more thankful I am for my parents. There was a button I had when I was in high school that read “Stupid people shouldn’t breed.” Now I get it.
Rs want everyone to breed. Especially the people who would choose to have an abortion for any number of reasons, including that they aren’t ready, willing or capable of raising a child. Rs believe this will somehow shame them into “learning their lesson.” But Rs are doing nothing if not denying realities of society, and people will ALWAYS keep having sex, regardless of their abortion rights. Sex is about the closest thing to legal heroin, a massive dopamine dump that people will do ALOT to have. It’s far better to recognize that and make as many safe options to prevent unwanted pregnancies as possible, but Rs are here to make life harder and more unpleasant.
when i had guns in the house and also children not only were the guns in locked cases in a locked closet on top shelf... but the kids didn't even know they existed. there was also a handgun in a locked firesafe in the garage.
after now-ex-wife tried to pry open the firesafe with a crowbar... that gun went to my parents house (safe was now ruined). she claimed she didn't know there was a gun there and just needed some documents. she knew where the key was though but sometimes it'd jam and need some wiggling. also claimed she didn't even know how guns worked anyway. though i had seen multiple photos of her definitely knowing how to use a gun at a Swiss shooting range?
then a year or so later i just took ALL guns to my parents house as now-ex-wife was saying exceptionally disturbing things about needing to kill herself or commit a serious enough crime to be deported. oooookay.
i haven't really felt the need to either go get those guns back or get any new guns since then. though might get a pepper ball gun just to have something.
Fortunately for the Crumbleys their son did not kill them first, which we have seen in several mass shootings, including Sandy Hook. It's not unusual for parents, siblings, or other close family members to be the first victims of these rampages. Unfortunately for everyone else he took his rage out on innocent victims. Maybe playing that up might get a few parents to lock up guns.
"X number of parents and siblings are killed or injured every year by young family members gaining access to guns they should not have access to. Don't join the crowd. Safe storage might save your life or the life of other family members and keep your four year old daughter from getting shot by her six year old brother who knows daddy always keeps a pistol in his night stand and decided to play cops and robbers with it." It wouldn't hurt, although the NRA would accuse you of frightening parents. Which in this case is a good thing.
Also, their kid was clearly suffering and they did nothing.
I've got two adult kids - I know what it is for there to be something wrong and you don't know if you are doing the right thing. But you do something. I've got a lot of compassion for parents making mistakes, but just blithely not giving a shit? No.
Agreed. My older brother was troubled. He never hurt anyone else, but we feared he might for many years. He struggled with alcohol and drug abuse most of his adult life, I think as a coping mechanism for untreated mental illness. He was depressed, socially awkward and lonely. He also smoked and drank until his body began to fail him. He took his own life at age 51. I was fortunate simply to be born with more gifts than he was. Our parents were average, decent people who did their best. We were loved and provided for. They did ignore many of his problems as a child. He was defiant, would soil himself even years after diapers and he struggled at school. They were embarrassed about possibly having a troubled child.
Now, I’m 50 and I have a young son. He’s smart, a good student and is a pretty good kid. He’s moody and hypersensitive, and my wife and I didn’t hesitate to get him extra help with a child counselor. Maybe I’m overprotective after witnessing my parents fail my brother, but as parents we must do everything we can to help our kids grow up strong and healthy.
Sorry , but I think it's working now...
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Good. More of this.
"Make them cluck like chickens like in a hypnotist show?"
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“The thoughts won’t stop. Help me.” This is heartbreaking. This kid was literally crying out for help and the adults in his life did not give a single fuck. I’m not putting this on school administrators, but maybe someone could have taken to searching this kid’s backpack when he came to school or checking his locker for a gun? Maybe called the authorities and said “Hey his parents are a mess and this kid is going through some shit, we need help!” I read somewhere that the job his dad had to get back to was his Door Dash gig. Are there that many people ordering Door Dash during school hours that the dad couldn’t put it off a few hours (like dinner time?) to continue working and spend time with his son? As a former teenage boy, I have another question: who in the fuck buys a raging ball of hormones and poor impulse control (teenager) a gun?! That’s the definition of insanity.
Lock 'em up!
Based on the circumstances, it seems like the Crumbley parents were practically daring their troubled son to use that gun on himself. Their lack of compassion for him should be criminal too. We wouldn't hear about that story, because it happens all the time. Teens die by suicide tragically often, and guns in the home make adolescent impulsiveness instantly lethal.
The Crumbleys got tripped up by those four other lives lost due to their carelessness. It's about time the justice system moves beyond demonizing the teenage shooter toward inculpating those who enabled him. Their brains had plenty of years to develop, and no excuse not to.
Cool. Now Crumbles won't have to worry anymore about anyone prying one of his *bang*bang* sticks from his useless cold dead and deadly irresponsible fingers ever again!
OMG, thixotrophy, a non-Newtonian property, very cool in an engineery nerdy way. (With all due respect.)
James Crumbley didn’t give a flying fuck about anything or any one. Not his kid. Not my kid, not your kid. Not anyone except himself. He’s a MAGA.
That children were senselessly slaughtered wouldn’t register as a concern unless he was in some way liable.
Guess what motherfucker?
This is a landmark case, and a long overdue one. This is a badly needed precedent that will hopefully be embraced by other states and will make a few homes safer.
Ta, Robyn. Why is this the only country on Earth that coddles the ammosexual? The answer is NOT the Second Amendment, which begins by talking about a well-regulated militia.
Because gun manufacturers hire lobbyists and pay off politicians? Republicans are a very shitty breed.
I feel so badly for those kids and their families. How can you ever cope with such a tragically avoidable loss? I also do feel some sympathy for Ethan Crumbley himself. He was ill, needed help, knew he needed help, and asked for it. His parents ignored his pleas, and he begged for help that day, spelling that out on his paper, and the school and parents failed him.
There is clearly no excuse for his behavior. He seemed to bring his new gun to school on possibly the first available day after receiving it as a gift a few days before. He was in pain, and he was hearing things and having terrifying thoughts. He’s a victim of his parents’ miserable parenting. Few kids that age should be anywhere near firearms, except maybe at gun safety class under direct supervision with the goal being to educate and improve safety. And that’s healthy, normally adjusted kids. Crumbley wasn’t healthy or adjusted at all. There were signs everywhere. Had his selfish, careless parents simply mentioned “we did recently buy him a gun as a gift,” this tragedy almost surely wouldn’t have occurred. The school would have asked where the gun is, is it locked, and checked his backpack and locker. Even if the parents didn’t volunteer that info, did the school officials ask? Does your child have access to guns?
In America today, school officials should assume troubled kids DO have access to guns, and act accordingly to prevent these tragedies. Now several kids are dead, several more are wounded and emotionally scarred, and many families are shattered. Maybe Ethan will get some mental health help, as he spends his life behind bars thanks to his parents.
This is what’s so bothersome. My mother wasn’t a helicopter mom, but she kept up with me and my brothers. If something was off with any of us, she picked up on it. Had I written a note like that and my school found it? The older I get the more thankful I am for my parents. There was a button I had when I was in high school that read “Stupid people shouldn’t breed.” Now I get it.
Rs want everyone to breed. Especially the people who would choose to have an abortion for any number of reasons, including that they aren’t ready, willing or capable of raising a child. Rs believe this will somehow shame them into “learning their lesson.” But Rs are doing nothing if not denying realities of society, and people will ALWAYS keep having sex, regardless of their abortion rights. Sex is about the closest thing to legal heroin, a massive dopamine dump that people will do ALOT to have. It’s far better to recognize that and make as many safe options to prevent unwanted pregnancies as possible, but Rs are here to make life harder and more unpleasant.
what's the deal with the headphones in the courtroom? Were they having the trial in some language he didn't understand?
The dad has some hearing problems.
Thanks.
when i had guns in the house and also children not only were the guns in locked cases in a locked closet on top shelf... but the kids didn't even know they existed. there was also a handgun in a locked firesafe in the garage.
after now-ex-wife tried to pry open the firesafe with a crowbar... that gun went to my parents house (safe was now ruined). she claimed she didn't know there was a gun there and just needed some documents. she knew where the key was though but sometimes it'd jam and need some wiggling. also claimed she didn't even know how guns worked anyway. though i had seen multiple photos of her definitely knowing how to use a gun at a Swiss shooting range?
then a year or so later i just took ALL guns to my parents house as now-ex-wife was saying exceptionally disturbing things about needing to kill herself or commit a serious enough crime to be deported. oooookay.
i haven't really felt the need to either go get those guns back or get any new guns since then. though might get a pepper ball gun just to have something.
I think the movie 'Men in Black' adequately took care of the “My cold dead hands” meme.
Offer accepted.
The shooter was the fifth victim in this case. His parents ruined his life by not providing adequate care.
Buying him a gun was easier and took less time than giving him love, guidance, and attention. But as we see, a gun was not what he needed.
Fortunately for the Crumbleys their son did not kill them first, which we have seen in several mass shootings, including Sandy Hook. It's not unusual for parents, siblings, or other close family members to be the first victims of these rampages. Unfortunately for everyone else he took his rage out on innocent victims. Maybe playing that up might get a few parents to lock up guns.
"X number of parents and siblings are killed or injured every year by young family members gaining access to guns they should not have access to. Don't join the crowd. Safe storage might save your life or the life of other family members and keep your four year old daughter from getting shot by her six year old brother who knows daddy always keeps a pistol in his night stand and decided to play cops and robbers with it." It wouldn't hurt, although the NRA would accuse you of frightening parents. Which in this case is a good thing.
By not taking him home when they were called in probably kept them from being the first victims.
Also, their kid was clearly suffering and they did nothing.
I've got two adult kids - I know what it is for there to be something wrong and you don't know if you are doing the right thing. But you do something. I've got a lot of compassion for parents making mistakes, but just blithely not giving a shit? No.
Agreed. My older brother was troubled. He never hurt anyone else, but we feared he might for many years. He struggled with alcohol and drug abuse most of his adult life, I think as a coping mechanism for untreated mental illness. He was depressed, socially awkward and lonely. He also smoked and drank until his body began to fail him. He took his own life at age 51. I was fortunate simply to be born with more gifts than he was. Our parents were average, decent people who did their best. We were loved and provided for. They did ignore many of his problems as a child. He was defiant, would soil himself even years after diapers and he struggled at school. They were embarrassed about possibly having a troubled child.
Now, I’m 50 and I have a young son. He’s smart, a good student and is a pretty good kid. He’s moody and hypersensitive, and my wife and I didn’t hesitate to get him extra help with a child counselor. Maybe I’m overprotective after witnessing my parents fail my brother, but as parents we must do everything we can to help our kids grow up strong and healthy.