I live in a very red area of a red state. It's hard to not get the feeling that the vast majority of Americans are morons that would reelect Trump. I have to try and remember it's different elsewhere.
And an epistemological metaphor at that! Wonkette. Come for the snark, leave with a lesson to remember George Berkeley’s philosophical musings about knowledge. Bravo!
I’ve become so disillusioned by the supposed “liberal” mainstream media, who’s not liberal at all, they’re sensationalist. They like horse races. They like drama. If it bleeds, it leads and no blood is more traumatic than the possibility of a second Trump presidency.
That’s why the MSM is trying, desperately trying, to say this is going to be close. Even lying if they have to. Wonkette has busted the NYT several times now, putting their thumb on the scale and skewing polling data.
Here’s what the MSM don’t want you to know. Trump won in 2016 because a bunch of low information independent voters said “well how bad can he be?” and Trump won indies over Hillary by 5 points. Then in 2020 they said “oh, ok, he can be that bad” and Trump lost independents by 10 points and lost the election in the process.
Now the MSM is trying to convince you he’s going to win them back?? After getting Roe overturned and oh…I don’t know…a little thing called TRYING TO OVERTHROW THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT IN A VIOLENT COUP??
But yada yada yada…those are just facts, here’s the narrative.
I’m just so disappointed in CNN and MSNBC and WaPo and the NYT. They have become complete sellouts for ad dollars in a rapidly collapsing business model. And what’s most disappointing is WaPo and NYT particularly.
These supposed paragons of journalism published the Pentagon Papers for god sakes. But those days are long gone. Loooooong gone. If I have to hear Maggie Haberman called “The Trump Whisperer” one more time, I’m gonna barf. Your job isn’t to “be” the news Mags, it’s to “report the news”. And especially not to “sit on the news” so you can publish a book before you reveal how demented Trump is with your particular inside access to him.
🤦♂️
I get my news from Wonkette now, and that’s about it. I’ve deleted my CNN and MSNBC apps, about to do the same for Huff Post. I cancelled my subscriptions to WaPo and NYT. 🤷♂️
If you’re not going to report the news, I’m sure as shit not going to pay for it. If I’m paying for “entertainment” it’s certainly not going to be for some CNN dingbat to tell me Trump is going to win the black vote cause he’s just so “gangsta” now that he’s a felon.
And that’s what’s truly sad, because we need real news, we should want to be informed. And I’m the prime demo, I was a voracious consumer of news, especially cable news. Not anymore, I just can’t. They are complete crack addicts, and their crack cocaine is Donald Trump, they cannot stop reporting on him. And not in the way they should report on him either, but rather “oh my god, what shocking thing did Trump just say???”
Yeah, MSNBC, if Trump’s lips are moving, he’s saying vile racist shit, literally, I don’t need a news article on it. Are his blubbering lips moving? Then yeah, he’s saying vile racist shit, no story needed.
The media literally created Donald Trump. the real Donald Trump didn't even run for office. it was the fictitious character created by NBC for a dumb game show.
Yep, they sure did, it’s all fun and games until you let a fox into the hen house, a fox that’s as dumb as a post and can’t keep a linear thought straight for more than two seconds.
Once upon a time, being a "conservative" had an entirely different meaning. It meant that you held yourself to a high moral standard in all of your dealings, both personal and public, you respected honesty and forthrightness, you didn't take unfair advantage of anyone, and above all you believed that everyone should be treated fairly and equally,. It meant that you were a bit resistant to change and that changes should be made only upon careful consideration of all the facts. "if it ain't broke, don't try fix it" was the conservative mantra,. Now along comes a serial adulterer, a man who has cheated anyone and every whenever there was an opportunity, a man who has been tried and convicted of 34 serious felonies and he calls himself the conservative icon, and his followers dare call themselves "conservatives" I stand incredulous
I think the concept of Chesterton's Fence illustrates the difference between conservative and progressive very well.
You see, if there's a fence in the way but you don't why it is there, the extreme conservative position is to leave it and the extreme progressive position is to remove it. Meanwhile, Chesterton proposes that you don't remove a fence until you've figured out what it is for. That's the moderate conservative position, which is a defensible position. The moderate progressive position is that you try to learn more about what good things the fence currently prevents and only remove the fence if there is a benefit.
In both moderate cases the solution is to learn more.
Conservatives have always been against the poor, elderly, and indigent. They've always been for the rich and powerful. At one time, they were for upper education knowing no poor family could afford it.
Now? They embrace the most superstitious, ignorant, racist scum of society as their own. It's disgusting to know how many people with IQs below 80 are for Trump.
By any sane metric, Biden should win 2024 by the largest margin in history. Not because Biden is that wonderful, but because Trump is that horrid. it's painful and sickening to watch the USA sink to such an abysmal level. What in the world happened to us? I haven't a clue.
"17 percent of EVERYBODY says Trump’s conviction makes them more likely to support Trump". That's a frightening number of people, especially considering that many of them are true zealots. Yes it is nowhere near a majority, but Hitler gained power with a smaller percentage of the population behind him. Trump has promised a ":bloodbath" if he has the election "stolen" from him again, and odds are he's going to lose. The vast majority of elected Republicans stand in line to "kiss the ring" (read lick his ass and balls}, also not good. Don't mean to be an alarmist, but maybe we should be a just a little concerned? We all like to poke fun at him and his MAGAhats. but in reality. it is no laughing matter at all
I strongly suggest someone conduct a national and comprehensive survey of Head Injury Sufferers and their resulting Trump support. There is no reason we abandon the Head Injury Sufferers vote to the Politicians Suffering Head Injuries Too demographic. Winning their votes might be as simple as consistently mispronouncing words like "student" and "Federal Debt".
Arrgh, this is the second time in as many days that Substack has suddenly decided that instead of posting the lengthy reply I'm almost done writing, what I REALLY want is to go read a completely different article. :sigh: Let's try this again.
I'm not an independent, voter-wise, but I honestly don't know how I'd answer those question if polled. Do I trust juries? They've let Rittenhouse and OJ walk, and convicted too many innocent people, and I've seen a lot of boneheaded verdicts. Do I trust prosecutors and defense attorneys? Both have misled juries to some of those boneheaded verdicts. Do I trust judges? Not any of the ones PACF nominated, including the Supremes and Cannon and Kasczmgimmeafuckingvowel? Everything Federalists touch dies. So I don't know how I'd answer a pollster on these.
Does PACF's conviction make me less likely to vote for him? Since you can't have less than zero vote-wise, I'd have to say no, but then they'd interpret that as meaning his being a felon doesn't affect me, which isn't true. It's just near the bottom of the list of reasons why I'd never vote for him.
This is why I take any polls with a Bonneville*'s worth of salt.
Speaking of idiot MAGA voters, my Trumpy Neighbor is convinced that Biden is ready for the glue factory, but every time Trump makes a gaffe, it's because "he has so much on his mind."
It is common knowledge that — especially in people of Germanic descent — hair roots seeking sustenance often reach deep into the brain, especially in the presence of dementia.
Every day, most of “Executive Time” is devoted to counting and measuring the length and diameter of each bleached, colored, crackling, AquaNet Pro-Hold infused, precious golden strand!
Like how he's going to get out of $468 Million in NY decades long Fraud judgement, $90 Million sexual assault judgement and (if J6 trial makes it to trial) jail...could occupy the few remaining cells.
Well... NYT just sent me a news alert this morning that infrequent, irregular voters are a lock for Trump. Add in the blacks and the hispanics and the women and and and... supposedly Joe apparently doesn't stand a chance.
"infrequent, irregular voters are a lock for Trump"
We knew this in 2016 when people were coming out of the woodwork to tell us that they had never voted for anyone before Trump. They were excited to vote for Entertaining Man from TV.
You're never going to convince me that these people aren't already part of the existing Trump base. They're infrequent, irregular voters FOR EVERYONE WHO ISN'T TRUMP. They were never going to vote for anyone else because they don't show up to vote for anyone else.
Reading that set of polls it’s obvious that the NYT took the least optimistic view for Biden from it.
Biden leads most likely voters by 5. That’s it. If those “irregular voters” cared they would have voted in 2020 and 2022 once inflation went up. They didn’t.
oh sweet baby Jesus, Sully -- get over your beef with Biden already! is it really worth pushing America into fascism, to slant your paper's news coverage because you think that the President dissed you?!?
Not only did they give Tom "so well named he's a walking metaphor" Cotton an op-ed ... but before any of us were born I think they gave Hitler one too, literally
They've only got visions of white supremacy dancing in their heads
And they all skipped their history classes to play golf so they don't know that literally every fascist regime always goes CRASH from all the corruption
I'm actually counting on Republicans who have a shred of patriotism, or common sense left, to help Biden win. Our own doofuses aren't going to save us.
My brother claims he's a moderate, but he's voting for Trump. He lives in Las Vegas, so his vote actually matters, too. The reason? Biden's a socialist.
I was watching TV the other night when they mentioned on the news that 2 of the 3 stock indices just hit an all time high. I shook my fist at the sky and said "damn that socialist Biden!"
If your bother supports Trump's using the power of the federal government (ie tariffs) to bring jobs to America, then your bother is a socialist. A true capitalist would support companies maximizing their return by moving jobs to where they don't have to pay as much.
I can't remember where I saw it but some Independent voter just said they're voting for Biden because they no longer believe that Republicans are fiscally responsible and they're tired of being lied to.
It's insane how most of the people who vote in this country, have NO IDEA what they're voting for. If you asked the average dolt what Project 2025 is they'd have no idea.
Really, if you distrust the system that much, you should withhold your vote in protest, MAGAlanders. Show America who is boss by refusing to participate in this travesty of a sham. After all, you know it is rigged -- democracy has democrac right in there, which if you convert to numbers and reverse, spells "Paul lost his bukkit."
The MAGAts new slogan is "too big to rig." Apparently they are under the mistaken assumption that Democrats can flip votes from Trump to Biden, but NOT if they vote en masse. Uhh...Hugo Chavez's Jewish space laser can convert any amount of votes we need to cheat. D'uh! That's just science.
But what about the poll showing half Latino half African American lesbian women in Michigan tied between Trump and Biden with a sample size of 3 weighted for national trends and a +/- of 42.5?
I live in a very red area of a red state. It's hard to not get the feeling that the vast majority of Americans are morons that would reelect Trump. I have to try and remember it's different elsewhere.
I live in Indiana - tell me about it.
And an epistemological metaphor at that! Wonkette. Come for the snark, leave with a lesson to remember George Berkeley’s philosophical musings about knowledge. Bravo!
I’ve become so disillusioned by the supposed “liberal” mainstream media, who’s not liberal at all, they’re sensationalist. They like horse races. They like drama. If it bleeds, it leads and no blood is more traumatic than the possibility of a second Trump presidency.
That’s why the MSM is trying, desperately trying, to say this is going to be close. Even lying if they have to. Wonkette has busted the NYT several times now, putting their thumb on the scale and skewing polling data.
Here’s what the MSM don’t want you to know. Trump won in 2016 because a bunch of low information independent voters said “well how bad can he be?” and Trump won indies over Hillary by 5 points. Then in 2020 they said “oh, ok, he can be that bad” and Trump lost independents by 10 points and lost the election in the process.
Now the MSM is trying to convince you he’s going to win them back?? After getting Roe overturned and oh…I don’t know…a little thing called TRYING TO OVERTHROW THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT IN A VIOLENT COUP??
But yada yada yada…those are just facts, here’s the narrative.
I’m just so disappointed in CNN and MSNBC and WaPo and the NYT. They have become complete sellouts for ad dollars in a rapidly collapsing business model. And what’s most disappointing is WaPo and NYT particularly.
These supposed paragons of journalism published the Pentagon Papers for god sakes. But those days are long gone. Loooooong gone. If I have to hear Maggie Haberman called “The Trump Whisperer” one more time, I’m gonna barf. Your job isn’t to “be” the news Mags, it’s to “report the news”. And especially not to “sit on the news” so you can publish a book before you reveal how demented Trump is with your particular inside access to him.
🤦♂️
I get my news from Wonkette now, and that’s about it. I’ve deleted my CNN and MSNBC apps, about to do the same for Huff Post. I cancelled my subscriptions to WaPo and NYT. 🤷♂️
If you’re not going to report the news, I’m sure as shit not going to pay for it. If I’m paying for “entertainment” it’s certainly not going to be for some CNN dingbat to tell me Trump is going to win the black vote cause he’s just so “gangsta” now that he’s a felon.
And that’s what’s truly sad, because we need real news, we should want to be informed. And I’m the prime demo, I was a voracious consumer of news, especially cable news. Not anymore, I just can’t. They are complete crack addicts, and their crack cocaine is Donald Trump, they cannot stop reporting on him. And not in the way they should report on him either, but rather “oh my god, what shocking thing did Trump just say???”
Yeah, MSNBC, if Trump’s lips are moving, he’s saying vile racist shit, literally, I don’t need a news article on it. Are his blubbering lips moving? Then yeah, he’s saying vile racist shit, no story needed.
I mean, I wish the MSM would be honest whores - and I apologize to honest whores for slurring the name that way.
The media literally created Donald Trump. the real Donald Trump didn't even run for office. it was the fictitious character created by NBC for a dumb game show.
Yep, they sure did, it’s all fun and games until you let a fox into the hen house, a fox that’s as dumb as a post and can’t keep a linear thought straight for more than two seconds.
Once upon a time, being a "conservative" had an entirely different meaning. It meant that you held yourself to a high moral standard in all of your dealings, both personal and public, you respected honesty and forthrightness, you didn't take unfair advantage of anyone, and above all you believed that everyone should be treated fairly and equally,. It meant that you were a bit resistant to change and that changes should be made only upon careful consideration of all the facts. "if it ain't broke, don't try fix it" was the conservative mantra,. Now along comes a serial adulterer, a man who has cheated anyone and every whenever there was an opportunity, a man who has been tried and convicted of 34 serious felonies and he calls himself the conservative icon, and his followers dare call themselves "conservatives" I stand incredulous
I think the concept of Chesterton's Fence illustrates the difference between conservative and progressive very well.
You see, if there's a fence in the way but you don't why it is there, the extreme conservative position is to leave it and the extreme progressive position is to remove it. Meanwhile, Chesterton proposes that you don't remove a fence until you've figured out what it is for. That's the moderate conservative position, which is a defensible position. The moderate progressive position is that you try to learn more about what good things the fence currently prevents and only remove the fence if there is a benefit.
In both moderate cases the solution is to learn more.
Charitable indeed.
Conservatives have always been against the poor, elderly, and indigent. They've always been for the rich and powerful. At one time, they were for upper education knowing no poor family could afford it.
Now? They embrace the most superstitious, ignorant, racist scum of society as their own. It's disgusting to know how many people with IQs below 80 are for Trump.
That’s a somewhat charitable view of what conservatives were before the movement became completely ethically, politically and intellectually bankrupt.
Even at their best they were moral scolds, short on empathy, and considered selfishness a virtue.
And they haven’t been at their best in a very long time. Certainly not within my lifetime.
By any sane metric, Biden should win 2024 by the largest margin in history. Not because Biden is that wonderful, but because Trump is that horrid. it's painful and sickening to watch the USA sink to such an abysmal level. What in the world happened to us? I haven't a clue.
"What in the world happened to us?"
White supremacy was never effectively put down
Confederates were never deported
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVQomlXMeek&t=4s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5PUpcx80mw&t=55s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP4DdYvD480
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6IXQbXPO3I
AND the billionaires want to keep people apart who have similar economic interests (and the current SCOTUS is in their pocket)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMR65uTepCE
Polls show Trump and Biden neck and neck. That's insane! Biden should be so far ahead that Trump can't smell his sweat WTF is wrong with people?
"17 percent of EVERYBODY says Trump’s conviction makes them more likely to support Trump". That's a frightening number of people, especially considering that many of them are true zealots. Yes it is nowhere near a majority, but Hitler gained power with a smaller percentage of the population behind him. Trump has promised a ":bloodbath" if he has the election "stolen" from him again, and odds are he's going to lose. The vast majority of elected Republicans stand in line to "kiss the ring" (read lick his ass and balls}, also not good. Don't mean to be an alarmist, but maybe we should be a just a little concerned? We all like to poke fun at him and his MAGAhats. but in reality. it is no laughing matter at all
I strongly suggest someone conduct a national and comprehensive survey of Head Injury Sufferers and their resulting Trump support. There is no reason we abandon the Head Injury Sufferers vote to the Politicians Suffering Head Injuries Too demographic. Winning their votes might be as simple as consistently mispronouncing words like "student" and "Federal Debt".
Ta, Evan. It's a disease.
Arrgh, this is the second time in as many days that Substack has suddenly decided that instead of posting the lengthy reply I'm almost done writing, what I REALLY want is to go read a completely different article. :sigh: Let's try this again.
I'm not an independent, voter-wise, but I honestly don't know how I'd answer those question if polled. Do I trust juries? They've let Rittenhouse and OJ walk, and convicted too many innocent people, and I've seen a lot of boneheaded verdicts. Do I trust prosecutors and defense attorneys? Both have misled juries to some of those boneheaded verdicts. Do I trust judges? Not any of the ones PACF nominated, including the Supremes and Cannon and Kasczmgimmeafuckingvowel? Everything Federalists touch dies. So I don't know how I'd answer a pollster on these.
Does PACF's conviction make me less likely to vote for him? Since you can't have less than zero vote-wise, I'd have to say no, but then they'd interpret that as meaning his being a felon doesn't affect me, which isn't true. It's just near the bottom of the list of reasons why I'd never vote for him.
This is why I take any polls with a Bonneville*'s worth of salt.
*the salt flats, not the car or the motorcycle
Speaking of idiot MAGA voters, my Trumpy Neighbor is convinced that Biden is ready for the glue factory, but every time Trump makes a gaffe, it's because "he has so much on his mind."
Like electric boats and sharks. Yeah.
"..so much on his mind" is always and only "hair".
that's on his head, not his mind
It is common knowledge that — especially in people of Germanic descent — hair roots seeking sustenance often reach deep into the brain, especially in the presence of dementia.
And there's not even much of that!
Every day, most of “Executive Time” is devoted to counting and measuring the length and diameter of each bleached, colored, crackling, AquaNet Pro-Hold infused, precious golden strand!
Trumpy Neighbors would be funny if they weren't so irritating. What's truly sad is that before Trump, they were relatively decent people.
do you ever ask "like what?" it might be interesting to know.
Hamberders, fries, cars, girls. The usual stuff that pubescent boys think about.
Like how he's going to get out of $468 Million in NY decades long Fraud judgement, $90 Million sexual assault judgement and (if J6 trial makes it to trial) jail...could occupy the few remaining cells.
Well... NYT just sent me a news alert this morning that infrequent, irregular voters are a lock for Trump. Add in the blacks and the hispanics and the women and and and... supposedly Joe apparently doesn't stand a chance.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/18/briefing/biden-trump-voters.html
f'n NYT
"infrequent, irregular voters are a lock for Trump"
We knew this in 2016 when people were coming out of the woodwork to tell us that they had never voted for anyone before Trump. They were excited to vote for Entertaining Man from TV.
You're never going to convince me that these people aren't already part of the existing Trump base. They're infrequent, irregular voters FOR EVERYONE WHO ISN'T TRUMP. They were never going to vote for anyone else because they don't show up to vote for anyone else.
With their diet of burnt Trump horse steaks, all MAGATs are irregular and not just the MAGAT voters.
Reading that set of polls it’s obvious that the NYT took the least optimistic view for Biden from it.
Biden leads most likely voters by 5. That’s it. If those “irregular voters” cared they would have voted in 2020 and 2022 once inflation went up. They didn’t.
Sulzberger is also mad that POTUS Joe won't give them any exclusives after they savaged Hunter
oh sweet baby Jesus, Sully -- get over your beef with Biden already! is it really worth pushing America into fascism, to slant your paper's news coverage because you think that the President dissed you?!?
It wouldn't be the first time they'd tried
Not only did they give Tom "so well named he's a walking metaphor" Cotton an op-ed ... but before any of us were born I think they gave Hitler one too, literally
Fascists who will January 6 your offices on Inauguration Afternoon if Trump wins.
Do you TRULY believe you will be protected from MAGA once their GodManKing is in power and starts his revenge orgy? Do you?
They're not thinking that far ahead
They've only got visions of white supremacy dancing in their heads
And they all skipped their history classes to play golf so they don't know that literally every fascist regime always goes CRASH from all the corruption
I'm actually counting on Republicans who have a shred of patriotism, or common sense left, to help Biden win. Our own doofuses aren't going to save us.
Um
What now ...?
When you say "doofuses", are you referring to the regular Biden base voters whose votes are being regularly depressed by Republicans?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biaqEIhy5UY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJjB5bEq32E&t=10s
Here’s an example of poll manipulation.
538 has had Joe Biden’s favorability average below 40 for about 30 months. And yet the poll numbers have come up significantly since the SOTU
Current poll numbers on the site for the last 9 polls have Biden at
45,43,41,41,42,39,40,40, and 44.
What do you think the average is?
Wrong, it’s obviously 39.3, lol.
They don’t disclose how they weight them. Surprise.
But are they really trying to argue that the all the polls together are a 2.4 +D partisan lean?? With the results they’ve seen in election lately?
Sorry but I ain’t buying it. If anything they are over sampling Republicans because many have left the party since 2020.
My brother claims he's a moderate, but he's voting for Trump. He lives in Las Vegas, so his vote actually matters, too. The reason? Biden's a socialist.
I was watching TV the other night when they mentioned on the news that 2 of the 3 stock indices just hit an all time high. I shook my fist at the sky and said "damn that socialist Biden!"
If your bother supports Trump's using the power of the federal government (ie tariffs) to bring jobs to America, then your bother is a socialist. A true capitalist would support companies maximizing their return by moving jobs to where they don't have to pay as much.
oh, poo. you and your silly "facts."
Then he’s not a moderate. Anyone who says blah blah socialism will always vote Republican
Republican rhetoric is sticking in people's minds better than reality
I can't remember where I saw it but some Independent voter just said they're voting for Biden because they no longer believe that Republicans are fiscally responsible and they're tired of being lied to.
So that's something.
The problem is people who don't realize they're being lied to. Or don't care.
It's insane how most of the people who vote in this country, have NO IDEA what they're voting for. If you asked the average dolt what Project 2025 is they'd have no idea.
Oh, they'll find out eventually. After the election. Project 2025 will see to it.
The polls are really getting ridiculous.
Biden can’t be winning the national vote by a point while also being told he’s tied in Maine.
Trump is apparently winning in VA, too. THAT I don't believe for a minute.
He didn’t even win Virginia in 2016
Really, if you distrust the system that much, you should withhold your vote in protest, MAGAlanders. Show America who is boss by refusing to participate in this travesty of a sham. After all, you know it is rigged -- democracy has democrac right in there, which if you convert to numbers and reverse, spells "Paul lost his bukkit."
The MAGAts new slogan is "too big to rig." Apparently they are under the mistaken assumption that Democrats can flip votes from Trump to Biden, but NOT if they vote en masse. Uhh...Hugo Chavez's Jewish space laser can convert any amount of votes we need to cheat. D'uh! That's just science.
careful what you say. MTG will be using these threads for evidence next week.
But what about the poll showing half Latino half African American lesbian women in Michigan tied between Trump and Biden with a sample size of 3 weighted for national trends and a +/- of 42.5?