Well, the first three are false, so probably shouldn't teach them as facts.
"Any teaching that America has more culpability, in general, than other nations for the institution of slavery."
Slavery predated the creation of the Untied States by tens of thousands of years. If you want to use the the exclusive slavery of blacks that would be the Spanish and the Vatican who are most responsible. After they worked all the local Caribs to death in the gold mines of Hispaniola they had to import slaves from Africa. Because African slaves were expensive they had to treat them better so they lived.
Bartolome de las Casas was a Dominican monk who convinced the Vatican that the indigenous American peoples had souls so shouldn't be enslaved.
"That one race is the unique oppressor in the institution of slavery."
Pretty much every culture of peoples (except for the Australian Aborigines, IIRC) held slaves, some of them treated their slaves considerably worse than the Americans. Some Indonesian kings raised slaves like livestock in order to eat them at festivals
"That another race is the unique victim in the institution of slavery."
Until around the late 14th century the second largest export from Europe, after furs and before amber, was slaves from barbarian Europe to the civilized Asian and African cultures. Indigenous American peoples were routinely enslaved by the early settlers of North America (since they weren't Catholic they didn't have to abide by the Vatican's decision). Part of the reason for the US attack on the Barbary Coast was because of Arab pirates capturing and enslaving American and European sailors.
I don't understand why people aren't interested in history, I find it fascinating.
And what does posting the Ten Commandments prominently in every classroom do anyways? If you come from an atheistic background you'll just see it as Christian propaganda.
I understand the legal, Constitutional, and ethical reasons for NOT using taxpayer funded schools to post what you quite correctly call "Christian propaganda".
That having been said, I was immediately reminded of something my 1970s-era high school called, "THE FREEDOM SHRINE"*. THE FREEDOM SHRINE consisted of enormous (maybe 6 feet tall) laminated copies of the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights, posted in a spot near the cafeteria/main doors so that you pretty much HAD to walk past it at least once a day.
Nobody, to my knowledge, EVER did more than glance passingly at it. After it had been up for about a week, nobody even did THAT.
Moreover, and perhaps more to the point, there's a distinction to be made between all teenagers being jackasses and all teenagers being STUPID. Most of us were not stupid. 90% of us Vietnam Era teenagers realized that THE FREEDOM SHRINE was empty Murka rah rah bullshit. At least one of our classmates was suspended for *talking in the halls* within six feet of the prominently displayed giant copy of the First Amendment.
*Please load that phrase down with all the sarcasm that a bitter, unpopular, smart-ass teenager is capable of. Thank you.
As a public school teacher, anything they hang in my classroom is fair grist for my mill. I would have lessons on the 10C's, pointing out the ones that are blatantly unconstitutional, emphasizing that some are good ideas but not really enforceable law, we will titter over "our neighbor's ass" and how that differs from the injunction against adultery, we will laugh at my use of the word "titter," and generally have a good time with it.
It never crossed my mind we would lose 2016, and since then I am just very, very afraid. And so very tired of him. I’ve never, ever hated anyone so much, and I really hated George W.
I remember hating Nixon because my parents hated Nixon. My mother watched the Watergate hearings all day and when my dad got home they watched them again on the news.
Maybe we should just go ahead and make America a Christian nation and be done with it. There is a reason that Europe is so non-religious now, and that is because they coupled their governments with their religion. And everyone hates the government, so naturally hatred of the government mapped onto hatred of religion and that's why they are so irreligious now. It would be a rough ride, but I think it would be over pretty quickly, considering how Americans are actually much less religious than Europeans were when the european states were coupled to religion. Just let it fall apart on its own. Because it most certainly would. Religious belief just simply cannot thrive in the modern world, and ironically having to constantly fight against it is what is keeping it alive. It thrives on antagonism and perceived persecution. So it's kind of like that one episode of the original Star Trek "what of Lazarus "where the two dudes have to fight each other throughout eternity. S
With separation of church and state as it is, we have to continuously play footsie with it into the foreseeable future. But I guess that's where we are. we are stuck with it because we no longer have the luxury of letting it die a natural death by leaving it alone.
ButJust let them try to make religion mandatory and see how long that lasts! I guarantee you that they will wish that they hadn't, because if they did we would take the whole goddamn thing down with us this time.
Just drove past the church I used to go to as a kid, the pews are almost completely vacant. It's already over, it's time to put a knife in the goddamn thing
"In 1931, the KPD under the leadership of Ernst Thälmann internally used the slogan "After Hitler, our turn!", strongly believing that a united front against Nazis was not needed and that a Nazi dictatorship would ultimately crumble due to flawed economic policies and lead the KPD to power in Germany when the people realised that their economic policies were superior.[22][23]"
OK, if you want a replay of the European 16th and 17th centuries on US American soil along with it. Because ONE denomination would want dominance, and Freud's "narcissism of small differences" would kick into play.
I laugh at this story because it is Catholics wanting this. Back in the day, the whole reason the RCC had parochial schools was to provide an alternative to the Protestant religiosity pushed by the public schools in most places.
One sound idea might be to ask these characters WHICH set of ten commandments they want posted in U.S. schools. They seem unaware that the Book of Exodus contains two. The better known set, in Chapter 20, was supposedly given to Moses by God on the mountain, on stone tablets miraculously carved by the divine hand. But when Moses came down from the mountain and found the people worshipping the golden calf, he (Exodus 32 says) hurled down the tablets in a rage and broke them. Chapter 34 tells us God then instructed Moses to climb the mountain again and receive another set of stone tablets "like the first."
Only they are not the same.
"Worship no god but me," is there, and "Keep the sabbath day holy" is there, but "Do not commit murder," "Do not steal," and "Do not bear false witness," are conspicuously absent. INstead there is stuff like "Keep the festival of unleavened bread," and "Consecrate every firstborn son and beast to me."
Because they were derived from different ancient documents.
Like the two different and contradictory creation stories combined in the first chapter of Genesis.
But let's stick with the ten most people accept. It stands out a mile that the decalogue is in no way compatible with the U.S. constitution. First commandment? "Worship no god but me." First amendment? "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." Right from the beginning, it's plain as day that you can have the commandments or the constitution, but not both.
And if even two of the commandments are wasted on forbidding graven images and enjoining strict observance of the sabbath ... it's easy to guess how universal and divinely wise the other eight are likely to be.
Also, as a public school teacher, anything they hang in my classroom is fair grist for my mill. I would have lessons on the 10C's, pointing out the ones that are blatantly unconstitutional, emphasizing that some are good ideas but not really enforceable law, we will titter over "our neighbor's ass" and how that differs from the injunction against adultery, we will laugh at my use of the word "titter," and generally have a good time with it.
As Kurt Vonnegut liked to point out, the Ten Commandments aren't even Christian per se - they're Old Testament. You never see them pushing to have, say, the Beatitudes posted in every public building.
If we all suddenly decided to live by the Big 10, the economy would immediately crash, women and children would become property, and we would return to the lifestyles of the sheep herders and magic men who wrote them. Sounds like republican utopia.
Well, the first three are false, so probably shouldn't teach them as facts.
"Any teaching that America has more culpability, in general, than other nations for the institution of slavery."
Slavery predated the creation of the Untied States by tens of thousands of years. If you want to use the the exclusive slavery of blacks that would be the Spanish and the Vatican who are most responsible. After they worked all the local Caribs to death in the gold mines of Hispaniola they had to import slaves from Africa. Because African slaves were expensive they had to treat them better so they lived.
Bartolome de las Casas was a Dominican monk who convinced the Vatican that the indigenous American peoples had souls so shouldn't be enslaved.
"That one race is the unique oppressor in the institution of slavery."
Pretty much every culture of peoples (except for the Australian Aborigines, IIRC) held slaves, some of them treated their slaves considerably worse than the Americans. Some Indonesian kings raised slaves like livestock in order to eat them at festivals
"That another race is the unique victim in the institution of slavery."
Until around the late 14th century the second largest export from Europe, after furs and before amber, was slaves from barbarian Europe to the civilized Asian and African cultures. Indigenous American peoples were routinely enslaved by the early settlers of North America (since they weren't Catholic they didn't have to abide by the Vatican's decision). Part of the reason for the US attack on the Barbary Coast was because of Arab pirates capturing and enslaving American and European sailors.
I don't understand why people aren't interested in history, I find it fascinating.
something something graven images...
As long as the 7 tenants are posted next to the commandments, I'm good 😂
And what does posting the Ten Commandments prominently in every classroom do anyways? If you come from an atheistic background you'll just see it as Christian propaganda.
I understand the legal, Constitutional, and ethical reasons for NOT using taxpayer funded schools to post what you quite correctly call "Christian propaganda".
That having been said, I was immediately reminded of something my 1970s-era high school called, "THE FREEDOM SHRINE"*. THE FREEDOM SHRINE consisted of enormous (maybe 6 feet tall) laminated copies of the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights, posted in a spot near the cafeteria/main doors so that you pretty much HAD to walk past it at least once a day.
Nobody, to my knowledge, EVER did more than glance passingly at it. After it had been up for about a week, nobody even did THAT.
Moreover, and perhaps more to the point, there's a distinction to be made between all teenagers being jackasses and all teenagers being STUPID. Most of us were not stupid. 90% of us Vietnam Era teenagers realized that THE FREEDOM SHRINE was empty Murka rah rah bullshit. At least one of our classmates was suspended for *talking in the halls* within six feet of the prominently displayed giant copy of the First Amendment.
*Please load that phrase down with all the sarcasm that a bitter, unpopular, smart-ass teenager is capable of. Thank you.
As a public school teacher, anything they hang in my classroom is fair grist for my mill. I would have lessons on the 10C's, pointing out the ones that are blatantly unconstitutional, emphasizing that some are good ideas but not really enforceable law, we will titter over "our neighbor's ass" and how that differs from the injunction against adultery, we will laugh at my use of the word "titter," and generally have a good time with it.
"Abortion is like slavery! Also, slavery not so bad!"
I bet that guy has an interesting scandal waiting to happen...
Live boy? Dead girl? Drunk dolphin?
Snockered snake.
Trumpregierungsschlamasselschmerz
German for continuous pain and ache of the soul from worrying about Trump.
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/2023-in-review/the-year-we-stopped-being-able-to-pretend-about-trump
It crossed my mind that we might lose 2020.
It NEVER crossed my mind that we would WIN 2020, and STILL be in free fall in 2023.
I am so tired of this motherfucker; so very, very tired.
It never crossed my mind we would lose 2016, and since then I am just very, very afraid. And so very tired of him. I’ve never, ever hated anyone so much, and I really hated George W.
And I thought I hated Nixon. I was young then, and did not know true hatred.
I remember hating Nixon because my parents hated Nixon. My mother watched the Watergate hearings all day and when my dad got home they watched them again on the news.
Es wirkt in der Finsternis der Nacht sowohl wie im hellsten Tageslicht!
Getting serious closeted vibes from that pic alone, just sayin'...
A teabagger from several perspectives?
Maybe we should just go ahead and make America a Christian nation and be done with it. There is a reason that Europe is so non-religious now, and that is because they coupled their governments with their religion. And everyone hates the government, so naturally hatred of the government mapped onto hatred of religion and that's why they are so irreligious now. It would be a rough ride, but I think it would be over pretty quickly, considering how Americans are actually much less religious than Europeans were when the european states were coupled to religion. Just let it fall apart on its own. Because it most certainly would. Religious belief just simply cannot thrive in the modern world, and ironically having to constantly fight against it is what is keeping it alive. It thrives on antagonism and perceived persecution. So it's kind of like that one episode of the original Star Trek "what of Lazarus "where the two dudes have to fight each other throughout eternity. S
With separation of church and state as it is, we have to continuously play footsie with it into the foreseeable future. But I guess that's where we are. we are stuck with it because we no longer have the luxury of letting it die a natural death by leaving it alone.
ButJust let them try to make religion mandatory and see how long that lasts! I guarantee you that they will wish that they hadn't, because if they did we would take the whole goddamn thing down with us this time.
Just drove past the church I used to go to as a kid, the pews are almost completely vacant. It's already over, it's time to put a knife in the goddamn thing
"In 1931, the KPD under the leadership of Ernst Thälmann internally used the slogan "After Hitler, our turn!", strongly believing that a united front against Nazis was not needed and that a Nazi dictatorship would ultimately crumble due to flawed economic policies and lead the KPD to power in Germany when the people realised that their economic policies were superior.[22][23]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(Germany)
OK, if you want a replay of the European 16th and 17th centuries on US American soil along with it. Because ONE denomination would want dominance, and Freud's "narcissism of small differences" would kick into play.
I laugh at this story because it is Catholics wanting this. Back in the day, the whole reason the RCC had parochial schools was to provide an alternative to the Protestant religiosity pushed by the public schools in most places.
Paging The Satanic Temple. You are needed in OK.
Academy of Satanic Scholars. They can eat our asz and have it too!
You know they're on it. And don't forget the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2w7wxt
Good night all
One sound idea might be to ask these characters WHICH set of ten commandments they want posted in U.S. schools. They seem unaware that the Book of Exodus contains two. The better known set, in Chapter 20, was supposedly given to Moses by God on the mountain, on stone tablets miraculously carved by the divine hand. But when Moses came down from the mountain and found the people worshipping the golden calf, he (Exodus 32 says) hurled down the tablets in a rage and broke them. Chapter 34 tells us God then instructed Moses to climb the mountain again and receive another set of stone tablets "like the first."
Only they are not the same.
"Worship no god but me," is there, and "Keep the sabbath day holy" is there, but "Do not commit murder," "Do not steal," and "Do not bear false witness," are conspicuously absent. INstead there is stuff like "Keep the festival of unleavened bread," and "Consecrate every firstborn son and beast to me."
Because they were derived from different ancient documents.
Like the two different and contradictory creation stories combined in the first chapter of Genesis.
But let's stick with the ten most people accept. It stands out a mile that the decalogue is in no way compatible with the U.S. constitution. First commandment? "Worship no god but me." First amendment? "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." Right from the beginning, it's plain as day that you can have the commandments or the constitution, but not both.
And if even two of the commandments are wasted on forbidding graven images and enjoining strict observance of the sabbath ... it's easy to guess how universal and divinely wise the other eight are likely to be.
Also, as a public school teacher, anything they hang in my classroom is fair grist for my mill. I would have lessons on the 10C's, pointing out the ones that are blatantly unconstitutional, emphasizing that some are good ideas but not really enforceable law, we will titter over "our neighbor's ass" and how that differs from the injunction against adultery, we will laugh at my use of the word "titter," and generally have a good time with it.
As Kurt Vonnegut liked to point out, the Ten Commandments aren't even Christian per se - they're Old Testament. You never see them pushing to have, say, the Beatitudes posted in every public building.
Blessed are the peacemakers? COMMIE!
I refuse to talk to idiots about anything. Especially a bunch of made up bronze age garbage.
Moses was given 611 commandments....
here are just five of them that I think your typical hypocrite breaks on the regular...
Not to embarrass others — Lev. 19:17
Not to oppress the weak — Ex. 22:21
Not to gossip — Lev. 19:16
Not to take revenge — Lev. 19:18
Not to bear a grudge — Lev. 19:18
If we all suddenly decided to live by the Big 10, the economy would immediately crash, women and children would become property, and we would return to the lifestyles of the sheep herders and magic men who wrote them. Sounds like republican utopia.
perhaps the 10 commandments, carved in stone, should be displayed at all US courthouses. of course, the commandments must be carved in hebrew...
Y'ALL! Look what someone found! https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/18uw71o/i_found_a_3pound_can_of_clams_at_a_gas_station_on/
So that's where they are!!
Why was the gas station on the way to Seattle- Oh wait, you meant the can of clams was going to Seattle. Was it hitchhiking?