Ever get the feeling that the real reason these fuckos are so obsessed with virgins is because a virgin would have no idea how bad these men are at sex?
When I was in school, I went through several phases. In grade school I wanted to have 6 kids when I became an adult, mainly because big families kids had a lot of choices of sibs to bond with. Then in middle school, I wanted to be a missionary nun, mainly because I wanted to see the world.
By high school, rather than getting into things like dating, I mostly read anything and everything I could get my hands on. I figured that dating seemed like a lot of work. With my looks and personality being within normal human parameters, but not top drawer, looked like not something I wanted to emphasize.
So I was more than happy enough. Went to college, and grad school, travelled to Europe a few times, and around the western US. Worked summers in Alaska, went to Australia, New Zealand, Tahiti, Fiji. Took me into my 30s to meet a guy who made me even happier. We finally got married when I was 41 and he was 40. No kids wanted by either of us and I do not regret that.
So I’m guessing Matt Johnson doesn’t understand that once his daughters turn 18, they can tell him to get fucked, and if he lays a hand on them in retaliation, they can have him arrested and sent to prison?
Everyone realizes they're only talking about white babies, right? This lot doesn't want any brown or black babies to take our places on the fertility ladder. White babies only, amirite?
Ta, Robyn. I declares at the ripe old age of 12 that I was never going to have children, before I'd gone through puberty. I stuck with that decision for many reasons. One is that there is nothing more expensive than raising a child to adulthood in these United States, and I had not the means. Another is that I had the benefit of growing up with two parents (well, mostly; dad died when I was 13) and I remained single. I joined ZPG on the first Earth Day (it's now called Population Connection; they changed their name because the population is connected to *everything*). I started using birth control as soon as I became sexually active, and never got pregnant.
The first "teen mom" I ever knew was barely a teenager. Like me, she was in advanced classes in junior high. She got pregnant over the summer after seventh grade. She did not return to eighth grade. She was a bright young person from a very Catholic family. I don't know what happened to her or her pregnancy. When I was a 16 year old hippie living in the east village, I knew far too many 15 and 16 year old mothers-to-be. I thought it was tragic then; that's still my thinking.
Now I'm married to the man of my dreams. Neither of us had kids and neither of us regrets that. My parental instincts were satisfied over the past six and a half years helping HIV positive adults navigate their medical care and other aspects of their lives. My spouse is a public school teacher whose subject is English as a new language and he's a reading specialist. He has helped raise zillions of kids, not only teaching them how to read and write in English, but how to acculturate.
All these incels deserve to spend their lives alone. No self-respecting woman would have one. And over 25 is "hitting the wall?" Puh-leeze. Most 25 year olds have not yet hit their stride.
Never watched Teen Mom and always thought it was a weird topic for a reality show, but if it serves as a deterrent to early pregnancy, more power to them.
"... that having sex with multiple different men somehow affects the appearance and grip of female genitalia in some way that having sex with only one man does not ..."
What that REALLY means is that a woman who has sex with only one man, and has it first at 15 or 16, has no opportunity to realize that her 10-year-older husband has a tiny Donald Trump dick and that most other men [non-incels] would give her -- and her vagina -- far more pleasure than his little mushroom.
Don't forget the latest bullshit that claims women who have sex with multiple men retain little bits of DNA from all of the men they've been with (where, I dunno... maybe in a little lacquer box?) so if a man has kids with such a woman, they're not REALLY his kids.
All this horrific bullshit just feeds a loathing for women on the right wing that makes them feel confident about saying egregious shit in public like "It's bad that young women and girls are choosing education and trying to make a better life for themselves instead of giving up in despair, having kids they can't afford that we can condemn them for having, remaining mired in poverty, and creating the next generation of permanent underclass. How very dare they? What makes them think they're anything but appliances we planned to use to breed our way out of white people becoming a minority?"
These dudes just don’t make A’s in science classes, do they.
You do retain little bits of your children’s DNA in your body, which I think is lovely, and your mother’s mitochondria are churning away giving you your life energy, which is like science becoming poetry when I think about my kids, if you’re a softie like me.
As a man with sisters, nieces and grandnieces, and a daughter-in-law, I feel a particular and personal resentment of these jerks and their message. They apparently WOULD like a system like that of the fictional Gilead to prevail. Not that the warning wasn't sounded in fiction long before "The Handmaid's Tale."
There was, for one, Robert A. Heinlein's short novel "... if this goes on ..." (1940). Yes. 1940. In the writer's own words, it's based on the idea that his fellow Americans were capable of throwing away their dearly bought freedoms to submit to a crude and ridiculous religious dictatorship. The dictator is known as the Prophet Incarnate. His harem of sex slaves is known as the Virgins. Most ordinary citizens, blinkered and misinformed, believe they really are an order of nunlike virgins. The naive, idealistic narrator does, until he falls in love with one of them and learns otherwise.
The revolution eventually comes, and succeeds. The rebels fight their way down, level by level, to the Prophet Incarnate's bunker, but they don't arrest him as planned. The women got to him first. The novel ends with the sentence, "They had left him something barely identifiable at an inquest."
"that having sex with multiple different men somehow affects the appearance and grip of female genitalia in some way that having sex with only one man does not."
Economic security has been a driver of the time when people choose to reproduce. This was true long before modern contraceptives were available. But I wouldn’t accuse incels of being aware of history or evidence.
Make antinatalism great again!!!!
Ever get the feeling that the real reason these fuckos are so obsessed with virgins is because a virgin would have no idea how bad these men are at sex?
When I was in school, I went through several phases. In grade school I wanted to have 6 kids when I became an adult, mainly because big families kids had a lot of choices of sibs to bond with. Then in middle school, I wanted to be a missionary nun, mainly because I wanted to see the world.
By high school, rather than getting into things like dating, I mostly read anything and everything I could get my hands on. I figured that dating seemed like a lot of work. With my looks and personality being within normal human parameters, but not top drawer, looked like not something I wanted to emphasize.
So I was more than happy enough. Went to college, and grad school, travelled to Europe a few times, and around the western US. Worked summers in Alaska, went to Australia, New Zealand, Tahiti, Fiji. Took me into my 30s to meet a guy who made me even happier. We finally got married when I was 41 and he was 40. No kids wanted by either of us and I do not regret that.
What an asshole!
I would say more but I gave up f-bombs for Lent and the effects are lingering.
So I’m guessing Matt Johnson doesn’t understand that once his daughters turn 18, they can tell him to get fucked, and if he lays a hand on them in retaliation, they can have him arrested and sent to prison?
Matt Johnson seems like a real creep. And it's abslouktekly revolting that Katie Miller and people like her are in favor of teen pregnancy.
Everyone realizes they're only talking about white babies, right? This lot doesn't want any brown or black babies to take our places on the fertility ladder. White babies only, amirite?
Ta, Robyn. I declares at the ripe old age of 12 that I was never going to have children, before I'd gone through puberty. I stuck with that decision for many reasons. One is that there is nothing more expensive than raising a child to adulthood in these United States, and I had not the means. Another is that I had the benefit of growing up with two parents (well, mostly; dad died when I was 13) and I remained single. I joined ZPG on the first Earth Day (it's now called Population Connection; they changed their name because the population is connected to *everything*). I started using birth control as soon as I became sexually active, and never got pregnant.
The first "teen mom" I ever knew was barely a teenager. Like me, she was in advanced classes in junior high. She got pregnant over the summer after seventh grade. She did not return to eighth grade. She was a bright young person from a very Catholic family. I don't know what happened to her or her pregnancy. When I was a 16 year old hippie living in the east village, I knew far too many 15 and 16 year old mothers-to-be. I thought it was tragic then; that's still my thinking.
Now I'm married to the man of my dreams. Neither of us had kids and neither of us regrets that. My parental instincts were satisfied over the past six and a half years helping HIV positive adults navigate their medical care and other aspects of their lives. My spouse is a public school teacher whose subject is English as a new language and he's a reading specialist. He has helped raise zillions of kids, not only teaching them how to read and write in English, but how to acculturate.
All these incels deserve to spend their lives alone. No self-respecting woman would have one. And over 25 is "hitting the wall?" Puh-leeze. Most 25 year olds have not yet hit their stride.
Never watched Teen Mom and always thought it was a weird topic for a reality show, but if it serves as a deterrent to early pregnancy, more power to them.
"... that having sex with multiple different men somehow affects the appearance and grip of female genitalia in some way that having sex with only one man does not ..."
What that REALLY means is that a woman who has sex with only one man, and has it first at 15 or 16, has no opportunity to realize that her 10-year-older husband has a tiny Donald Trump dick and that most other men [non-incels] would give her -- and her vagina -- far more pleasure than his little mushroom.
Don't forget the latest bullshit that claims women who have sex with multiple men retain little bits of DNA from all of the men they've been with (where, I dunno... maybe in a little lacquer box?) so if a man has kids with such a woman, they're not REALLY his kids.
All this horrific bullshit just feeds a loathing for women on the right wing that makes them feel confident about saying egregious shit in public like "It's bad that young women and girls are choosing education and trying to make a better life for themselves instead of giving up in despair, having kids they can't afford that we can condemn them for having, remaining mired in poverty, and creating the next generation of permanent underclass. How very dare they? What makes them think they're anything but appliances we planned to use to breed our way out of white people becoming a minority?"
These dudes just don’t make A’s in science classes, do they.
You do retain little bits of your children’s DNA in your body, which I think is lovely, and your mother’s mitochondria are churning away giving you your life energy, which is like science becoming poetry when I think about my kids, if you’re a softie like me.
I know... they completely misunderstood the articles about that and applied it to their favorite bigotry.
(And I agree with you... it IS poetry to think you have your children with you always, in addition to your mom.)
Bingo!
As a man with sisters, nieces and grandnieces, and a daughter-in-law, I feel a particular and personal resentment of these jerks and their message. They apparently WOULD like a system like that of the fictional Gilead to prevail. Not that the warning wasn't sounded in fiction long before "The Handmaid's Tale."
There was, for one, Robert A. Heinlein's short novel "... if this goes on ..." (1940). Yes. 1940. In the writer's own words, it's based on the idea that his fellow Americans were capable of throwing away their dearly bought freedoms to submit to a crude and ridiculous religious dictatorship. The dictator is known as the Prophet Incarnate. His harem of sex slaves is known as the Virgins. Most ordinary citizens, blinkered and misinformed, believe they really are an order of nunlike virgins. The naive, idealistic narrator does, until he falls in love with one of them and learns otherwise.
The revolution eventually comes, and succeeds. The rebels fight their way down, level by level, to the Prophet Incarnate's bunker, but they don't arrest him as planned. The women got to him first. The novel ends with the sentence, "They had left him something barely identifiable at an inquest."
"that having sex with multiple different men somehow affects the appearance and grip of female genitalia in some way that having sex with only one man does not."
Translation: "I have a micropeen."
"grip" seems like an odd word choice. like having a lot more experience with a hand.
Pussy Galore now with Kung Fu grip.
The times how they doth change...
Classic Republicans: "Why are all these young sluts getting preggers?!?!"
Nouveau Republicans: "Why aren't all these young sluts getting more preggers?!?!"
FFS
There's a lot to be said for a matriarchal society.
Economic security has been a driver of the time when people choose to reproduce. This was true long before modern contraceptives were available. But I wouldn’t accuse incels of being aware of history or evidence.