"introduce digital currency that will lead to slavery"
I mentioned once before that Radio Classics is running an ad from some dude who claims to be ex-CIA that's trying to get you to buy gold from him and horde it *for that exact reason up there.* Of course, it's not a surprise that most of RC's ads are aimed at separating senior citizens from their money, given their programming. Still annoying to hear it, though.
These people would rather you not realize that, if and when the Apocolypse happens, you can't eat gold. If our currency is so worthless, why are they trying so hard to seperate other people from it?
All these “candidates” must know, or have some advisors who know, they have no chance to be potus, or even either party’s candidate. So, I’m guessing there are other career reasons, elevating platforms, increasing followers on social media, or just simple fund raising to line pockets, that motivate these weirdos? RFK Jr is SO bad at being a liberal, he’d definitely garner more support by running as a conservative, rebranding himself as the “conservative Kennedy.” Or, you know, he’s just nuts.
Yep, that's the one I mean. What RFK did was wrong, but I have never expected perfection in anyone, let alone a politician. This happened back during our anti-communist fear-fest, even though it was clear that fascism was always the greatest threat. And one bad action doesn't make someone a fake liberal--merely a flawed liberal. Just out of curiosity, who do you believe is a real liberal? You sound like an extremist.
How is telling the truth being an extremist? Sure, I am a progessive liberal, but I had no problem with Teddy Kennedy. For what it is worth there was not just one bad action, it's just that the MLK Jr. was the most egregious. And as for a real liberal, ironically LBJ was a real liberal, and this is NOT just my opinion.
The main reason that JFK and RFK are lauded o much is that they were both killed.
For what it is worth I was alive for all of that, and have a very clear memory of them.
I never said that telling the truth was being an extremist. Your words, not mine. That is just your straw man.
I agreed that RFK's action against King was wrong. Your response was to vague it up by implying there were countless other wrong actions, but not being specific about even one. Of course he did other wrong things. Humans do that.
I agree that LBJ was a real liberal, but he also was very wrong in his pursuit of the Viet Nam war. That got a lot of people killed. And our mutual belief that LBJ was a real liberal is still just our opinions. Citing other unnamed people's opinions does not change that.
Your comment that JFK and RFK are lauded because they were both killed is also an opinion and it's an extreme one. Both men did a lot of things other than being assassinated; you choose to ignore that.
And Teddy Kennedy also did a few wrong things.
For what it is worth, I was also alive for all of that and I have a very clear memory of those times. I was always a social liberal (I'm an economic conservative, but I define it very differently from how the Repubs do; it requires investment in the future, like education and universal healthcare). The only time I ever registered Repub was in the days when they were relatively sane. I was Repub only for the Repub Presidential primary in California so I could vote against Reagan. I don't even remember who I voted for--just not him.
So tiresome, this straw man bullshit, which seems to be trotted out cause people disgaree.
Seems to me that I did not use the word 'extremist' first.
As for ''JFK and RFK are lauded because they were both killed'' is not extreme at all, and I did not say that everything they did was wrong.
A simpl,e fact is that the press at the time lauded the scion of a rich family and his 'queen', and compared Jack and Jackie to the main characters in the Broadway show and film of "Camelot". That is a known fact.
This was the start of the ''imperial presidency'' where the idea that the president is more that just a person and more like a king, which a certain Trump has used to his benefit, but not ours.
And that definitely added to everything having to do with people's impressions of JFK, and later on, eventually to RFK. Both events were horrible, but dismissing the political in favour of the the magical. as in Camelot, does not make their sad deaths any more special than others. I have always found the death of MLK Jr. to be WAY more importanat than any president., and no-one in the press lauded him as being part of King Arthur's court (quelle surprise), even though ironically his last name was 'King'.
And yes, Teddy did do some wrong things, but politically he was way more liberal that his brothers.
One of the things (allegedly) about tht American system, is that the president is subject to the same status as every other person, something that again, Trump and his very non-royal entourage believe is not true. Lauding the sons of as rich family over those of regular people, all these years later, just helps that.
Straw man is a logic error. It has nothing to do with disagreeing. It means you changed the subject to something you though was more defensible, using something I never said.
I did say that you sound like an extremist. That was because you called RFK a fake liberal, which is an extreme comment. I did not say it was because you were telling the truth. That was where the straw came in.
The Kennedys tend to have charisma and the press loves that, but to say that JFK and RFK were only lauded because they were killed makes no sense. You admit they were lauded before they were killed.
MLK was one person; the Kennedys were a large family. It's hard to say that someone is part of a court when they aren't surrounded by at least a metaphorical court. Besides, "Camelot" was already taken.
I have no idea how Teddy Kennedy would compare on liberality with his brother since it would depend on the issues. If he was more liberal, it still doesn't make his brothers "fake" liberals. Liberals are not clones and have a wide variety of beliefs.
The President does not have the same status as other people. By virtue of his/her position, he is more powerful. As an individual he should have the same status, especially under the law, but different people in this country do have different statuses.
trump is not lauded in the same way the Kennedy's were and with good reason. They were charming; he's nasty and mean-spirited. And he may end up being subject to the law; it's looking good.
Note that the Kennedy's, though sons of a rich family, aren't lauded a lot these days. Including RFK Jr. It's been years since I've seen him mentioned.
Jello Biafra ran for mayor of San Francisco after mayor Moscone was murdered together with Harvey Milk. He finished behind Dianne Feinstein and Quentin Kopp ("the Republican who even admits he's a Kopp!") and a gay candidate whose name escapes me at the moment-- but Jello got a respectable few percent of the vote.
Upon thinking it over, I would vote for any dead person over this Kennedy. Even a konservative, as long as they're really dead and don't just look like a dried-up corpse.
The most disappointing part of this is how much Jack Dorsey is pushing him on his devoted stans.
He has consistently posted interviews that make him look good. He has gone on record as supporting him. He claims that RFL Jr. is the best choice. I understand that politics sometimes creates strange alliances, but I find it strange that a person like Dorsey who likes to show off his friendship with people like Jay-Z would also want to associate with someone like RFK Jr. It seems like there is a misalignment with goals. But then I rarely see pictures of Dorsey with Jay-Z AND his tech friends. It's like he lives in two different worlds. Am I missing something?
RFK Jr is Steve Bannon's candidate. The same Steve Bannon who has as a goal 'the end of the administrative state'. Stevie 3-shirts wants TFG back in office and this is one of the ways he sees that happening.
I haven't checked the polls lately, but the last time I looked, RFK Jr was polling in the double digits among Democrats. Mostly (I'm thinking) due to name recognition. Because I'm willing to bet that once people get a good whiff of his positions, they'll dump him faster than a basket of hot coals.
That sounds good but I don't like to assume without proof. Having someone like Dorsey openly promoting him could actually help him keep his numbers high.
Remember when one of the right wing's pet causes was "tort reform", which they SAID was to discourage frivolous, meritless lawsuits, but was really about making it harder to sue corporations and cops and officials for blatant fuckery. They were always pointing to that superhot McDonalds coffee case and totally misrepresenting it. Ever since they dropped that particular crusade, which they touted as a sure cure for all that ails our society, they themselves have abused the living fuck out of the courts with a Mississippi river of SLAPP suits, bonkers actions like Dumpty's 90+ suits for imaginary vote fraud, defamation suits for honest reporting (the rare times it is spotted), whatnot. If Mango Mussolini is not the very definition of "vexatious litigant" the term has no meaning.
What a maroon, it was Joseph Goebbels not Hermann Goering in charge of propaganda - didn't his Nazi friends at least give him a primer on Nazi history?
RFK Jr is a grifter. He found an audience and will con them until they give him all their money. He couldn’t care less who they are and what they think.
Kennedy’s lawsuit was rejected in courts in both California and New York. Nonetheless, around the time this spring that Kennedy officially declared he was running for the Democratic nomination, Kennedy’s lawyer Robert Barnes (a hardcore right-winger once represented Kyle Rittenhouse) sent Vickrey a menacing letter demanding the blogger settle for a minimum of $1 million. Otherwise, Kennedy and Barnes would revive the lawsuit
How. How does it get dismissed in multiple states but they can keep going after someone? How is this allowed to happen?
Somebody should remind RFK Jr. that his Uncle Joe Jr. was a US Navy pilot who was shot down in battle by the Nazis he admired, and was killed.
I'm not sure how to answer this guy. Should I sing "Right in Der Fuehrer's Face" from Disney? "Springtime for Hitler" from "The Producers?" "Heil Myself" from "To Be Or Not To Be?"
Yup, or at least where the cause of action arose, in the rare event neither party resides in that location. These lawsuits are not designed to win, the filing is the goal in and of itself. Because wingers think it’s a win if you go after an opponent and sue them. They lack the attention span to care about the outcome.
"introduce digital currency that will lead to slavery"
I mentioned once before that Radio Classics is running an ad from some dude who claims to be ex-CIA that's trying to get you to buy gold from him and horde it *for that exact reason up there.* Of course, it's not a surprise that most of RC's ads are aimed at separating senior citizens from their money, given their programming. Still annoying to hear it, though.
These people would rather you not realize that, if and when the Apocolypse happens, you can't eat gold. If our currency is so worthless, why are they trying so hard to seperate other people from it?
Why is he even still a subject to discuss...
All these “candidates” must know, or have some advisors who know, they have no chance to be potus, or even either party’s candidate. So, I’m guessing there are other career reasons, elevating platforms, increasing followers on social media, or just simple fund raising to line pockets, that motivate these weirdos? RFK Jr is SO bad at being a liberal, he’d definitely garner more support by running as a conservative, rebranding himself as the “conservative Kennedy.” Or, you know, he’s just nuts.
Most of us would happily vote for the dead Robert Kennedy over this guy.
You mean the RFK that on the orders of his brother, JFK, told FBI head J. Edgar Hoover to investigate Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. as a Communist?
That fake liberal?
Yep, that's the one I mean. What RFK did was wrong, but I have never expected perfection in anyone, let alone a politician. This happened back during our anti-communist fear-fest, even though it was clear that fascism was always the greatest threat. And one bad action doesn't make someone a fake liberal--merely a flawed liberal. Just out of curiosity, who do you believe is a real liberal? You sound like an extremist.
How is telling the truth being an extremist? Sure, I am a progessive liberal, but I had no problem with Teddy Kennedy. For what it is worth there was not just one bad action, it's just that the MLK Jr. was the most egregious. And as for a real liberal, ironically LBJ was a real liberal, and this is NOT just my opinion.
The main reason that JFK and RFK are lauded o much is that they were both killed.
For what it is worth I was alive for all of that, and have a very clear memory of them.
I never said that telling the truth was being an extremist. Your words, not mine. That is just your straw man.
I agreed that RFK's action against King was wrong. Your response was to vague it up by implying there were countless other wrong actions, but not being specific about even one. Of course he did other wrong things. Humans do that.
I agree that LBJ was a real liberal, but he also was very wrong in his pursuit of the Viet Nam war. That got a lot of people killed. And our mutual belief that LBJ was a real liberal is still just our opinions. Citing other unnamed people's opinions does not change that.
Your comment that JFK and RFK are lauded because they were both killed is also an opinion and it's an extreme one. Both men did a lot of things other than being assassinated; you choose to ignore that.
And Teddy Kennedy also did a few wrong things.
For what it is worth, I was also alive for all of that and I have a very clear memory of those times. I was always a social liberal (I'm an economic conservative, but I define it very differently from how the Repubs do; it requires investment in the future, like education and universal healthcare). The only time I ever registered Repub was in the days when they were relatively sane. I was Repub only for the Repub Presidential primary in California so I could vote against Reagan. I don't even remember who I voted for--just not him.
So tiresome, this straw man bullshit, which seems to be trotted out cause people disgaree.
Seems to me that I did not use the word 'extremist' first.
As for ''JFK and RFK are lauded because they were both killed'' is not extreme at all, and I did not say that everything they did was wrong.
A simpl,e fact is that the press at the time lauded the scion of a rich family and his 'queen', and compared Jack and Jackie to the main characters in the Broadway show and film of "Camelot". That is a known fact.
This was the start of the ''imperial presidency'' where the idea that the president is more that just a person and more like a king, which a certain Trump has used to his benefit, but not ours.
And that definitely added to everything having to do with people's impressions of JFK, and later on, eventually to RFK. Both events were horrible, but dismissing the political in favour of the the magical. as in Camelot, does not make their sad deaths any more special than others. I have always found the death of MLK Jr. to be WAY more importanat than any president., and no-one in the press lauded him as being part of King Arthur's court (quelle surprise), even though ironically his last name was 'King'.
And yes, Teddy did do some wrong things, but politically he was way more liberal that his brothers.
One of the things (allegedly) about tht American system, is that the president is subject to the same status as every other person, something that again, Trump and his very non-royal entourage believe is not true. Lauding the sons of as rich family over those of regular people, all these years later, just helps that.
For proof - see RFK Jr.
Straw man is a logic error. It has nothing to do with disagreeing. It means you changed the subject to something you though was more defensible, using something I never said.
I did say that you sound like an extremist. That was because you called RFK a fake liberal, which is an extreme comment. I did not say it was because you were telling the truth. That was where the straw came in.
The Kennedys tend to have charisma and the press loves that, but to say that JFK and RFK were only lauded because they were killed makes no sense. You admit they were lauded before they were killed.
Re "Imperial Presidency," it is a lot more complex than you imply: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Imperial_Presidency#:~:text=The%20Imperial%20Presidency%20identifies%20a,Schlesinger%20presents%20James%20K.
MLK was one person; the Kennedys were a large family. It's hard to say that someone is part of a court when they aren't surrounded by at least a metaphorical court. Besides, "Camelot" was already taken.
I have no idea how Teddy Kennedy would compare on liberality with his brother since it would depend on the issues. If he was more liberal, it still doesn't make his brothers "fake" liberals. Liberals are not clones and have a wide variety of beliefs.
The President does not have the same status as other people. By virtue of his/her position, he is more powerful. As an individual he should have the same status, especially under the law, but different people in this country do have different statuses.
trump is not lauded in the same way the Kennedy's were and with good reason. They were charming; he's nasty and mean-spirited. And he may end up being subject to the law; it's looking good.
Note that the Kennedy's, though sons of a rich family, aren't lauded a lot these days. Including RFK Jr. It's been years since I've seen him mentioned.
Or Jello Biafra, even. Another Dead Kennedy.
Jello Biafra ran for mayor of San Francisco after mayor Moscone was murdered together with Harvey Milk. He finished behind Dianne Feinstein and Quentin Kopp ("the Republican who even admits he's a Kopp!") and a gay candidate whose name escapes me at the moment-- but Jello got a respectable few percent of the vote.
Quentin Kopp, I remember him from his show on KGO, listening late-night up here in Eugene. Back in the Bernie Ward days.
Upon thinking it over, I would vote for any dead person over this Kennedy. Even a konservative, as long as they're really dead and don't just look like a dried-up corpse.
The most disappointing part of this is how much Jack Dorsey is pushing him on his devoted stans.
He has consistently posted interviews that make him look good. He has gone on record as supporting him. He claims that RFL Jr. is the best choice. I understand that politics sometimes creates strange alliances, but I find it strange that a person like Dorsey who likes to show off his friendship with people like Jay-Z would also want to associate with someone like RFK Jr. It seems like there is a misalignment with goals. But then I rarely see pictures of Dorsey with Jay-Z AND his tech friends. It's like he lives in two different worlds. Am I missing something?
RFK Jr is Steve Bannon's candidate. The same Steve Bannon who has as a goal 'the end of the administrative state'. Stevie 3-shirts wants TFG back in office and this is one of the ways he sees that happening.
I haven't checked the polls lately, but the last time I looked, RFK Jr was polling in the double digits among Democrats. Mostly (I'm thinking) due to name recognition. Because I'm willing to bet that once people get a good whiff of his positions, they'll dump him faster than a basket of hot coals.
That sounds good but I don't like to assume without proof. Having someone like Dorsey openly promoting him could actually help him keep his numbers high.
Sooper jenius.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/30/cnbc-transcript-democratic-presidential-candidate-robert-f-kennedy-jr-speaks-with-cnbcs-brian-sullivan-on-last-call-today-.html
Remember when one of the right wing's pet causes was "tort reform", which they SAID was to discourage frivolous, meritless lawsuits, but was really about making it harder to sue corporations and cops and officials for blatant fuckery. They were always pointing to that superhot McDonalds coffee case and totally misrepresenting it. Ever since they dropped that particular crusade, which they touted as a sure cure for all that ails our society, they themselves have abused the living fuck out of the courts with a Mississippi river of SLAPP suits, bonkers actions like Dumpty's 90+ suits for imaginary vote fraud, defamation suits for honest reporting (the rare times it is spotted), whatnot. If Mango Mussolini is not the very definition of "vexatious litigant" the term has no meaning.
What a maroon, it was Joseph Goebbels not Hermann Goering in charge of propaganda - didn't his Nazi friends at least give him a primer on Nazi history?
We finally found someone more batshit crazy then Trump. Kennedy still thinks he lives in Camelot and the Kennedy name is a Democrat Holy Grail.
RFK,JR the VPOTUS candidate DonJohnCon would love to adopt so as to pull that 2% of Baby Boomers who still think Kennedys are holy.
Wake up. John, Robert, Edward knew they were not the next coming of Christ. I doubt JR knows most look at Camelot with a grain barrel of Salt.
Don't tell JR that his Grandfather bought John's first election win when paying people to vote was still legal.
Daily Kos is still facing a lawsuit, and has a money beg for it up on alternate stories.
"Ich bin als intelligent wie ein jelly donut." RFKJ
Ich bin ein Wiener
RFK Jr is a grifter. He found an audience and will con them until they give him all their money. He couldn’t care less who they are and what they think.
Kennedy’s lawsuit was rejected in courts in both California and New York. Nonetheless, around the time this spring that Kennedy officially declared he was running for the Democratic nomination, Kennedy’s lawyer Robert Barnes (a hardcore right-winger once represented Kyle Rittenhouse) sent Vickrey a menacing letter demanding the blogger settle for a minimum of $1 million. Otherwise, Kennedy and Barnes would revive the lawsuit
How. How does it get dismissed in multiple states but they can keep going after someone? How is this allowed to happen?
States rights...
Somebody should remind RFK Jr. that his Uncle Joe Jr. was a US Navy pilot who was shot down in battle by the Nazis he admired, and was killed.
I'm not sure how to answer this guy. Should I sing "Right in Der Fuehrer's Face" from Disney? "Springtime for Hitler" from "The Producers?" "Heil Myself" from "To Be Or Not To Be?"
The Spike Jones version of "Der Führer's Face" would make a suitable theme song for RFKJr's campaign rallies. The fart sounds alone sum up his views.
And his disinterest in medications.
Someone ought to counter sue Junior to the tune of two million dollars for harassment
He and the Bloated Yam would make a perfect team...two nutballs.
"Nuttier than squirrel poop" :D
Hmmm. Venue is not just a matter of opinion. There has to be a connection to the parties.
Yup, or at least where the cause of action arose, in the rare event neither party resides in that location. These lawsuits are not designed to win, the filing is the goal in and of itself. Because wingers think it’s a win if you go after an opponent and sue them. They lack the attention span to care about the outcome.