Mayor Levar Stoney (L), some dead guy on a horse (R) Now that New Orleans has cleaned out the last of four major monuments to the Confederacy (plenty of street names and other reminders of the Bad Old Days remain), Mayor Levar Stoney of Richmond, Virginia, is going to try a somewhat different approach to pro-Confederate statues and monuments that were built during Reconstruction to reassert white supremacy. Stoney wants to turn them into
And the correct answer goes to Delores! Lee said "fold the flag and retire it with honor." He also specified in his will that when he died NOBODY was to wear their old Confederate uniform in his funeral procession. And nobody did. Too bad his wishes regarding the flag weren't respected.
Interesting fact here: Not just "wealthy" but middle class and ambitious. My mother's ancestor owned slaves but not enough to exempt him from military service. There was a baseline number. He was moving up in the world, but still didn't own enough humans to preclude going to war. As you say, the truly wealthy didn't HAVE to go, though many did. My ancestor did wind up broke as hell after the war and had to sell the farm because it was too much land for him to work without free labor. His children grew up poor and haunted by dreams of past glory. The "Lost Cause" myth became ingrained early for the bitter losers.
Austin studied law with Joseph Hawkins in Mandeville, LA, which had been part of West Florida. It was there he first saw the "Bonnie Blue Flag" of West Florida and took one of the flags with him to Texas, where it later became the pattern for the Texas flag, and even later the Confederate flag that inspired the song. He also borrowed money from Hawkins for his Texas venture which he never repaid, which caused much hardship for Hawkins' widow and 5 children. He is much despised among the "Florida" parishes of Louisiana.
There is a county in Missouri known as the "Kingdom of Callaway" because in 1861 Union troops faced off against a larger group of well-trained local militia, and in order to avoid a bloodbath, the federal commander allowed Callaway County to negotiate a treaty as a sovereign state with the federal government. This treaty recognized Callaway's independence and granted it its' own right to govern itself. Callaway County still likes to refer to itself as the "Kingdom of Callaway" and they have an annual "Kingdom Days" festival. There is a city in the county called "Kingdom City".
It's pretty sad when you think about it. A group that got their asses handed to them builds monuments to their losses to intimidate people who couldn't have had it worse.
It's like I've tried to explain about a couple friends of mine, it's not how big they are, it's that you don't have the stomach to do anything to them that hasn't been done. They aren't afraid of you.
Having lived in Richmond since 1976, I'll risk an opinion.Most of us refer to Monument Avenue as our "Second Place trophies". Everyone around these here parts knows that the ass of R. E. Lee's horse ass faces north for a big FU to the federal government. I have told foreign visitors that if they get lost, find the Lee statue to find your way.
The Arthur Ashe Monument process was a disgraceful shame and clusterfuck.(It should be located at the Byrd Park Tennis courts where he wasn't allowed to play because of being blah.) OT: I have met Arthur Ashe and I can say he was a no tipping asshole.
Here comes the really inflammatory part: I like driving down Monument Avenue. I like the rumble of the cobblestones. I like the dead men on horses statues. I like that you can find your way by the Lee statue. If Stoney and VDOT want to put up 360 signs proclaiming these guys as traitors, I'm cool with that.
Austin's dad borrowed the money. he was the one with the dream of a Texas colony and the land was already purchased when he died. besides, if you want to claim we stole a flag as part of our flag design, you might want to look at the Chilean flag.
Yup, I'm obviously of the opinion that Lee's genius has been vastly overstated (it's all wrapped up in the Lost Cause myth). Even the battle that was supposedly his most brilliant victory, Chancellorsville, was only possible because he was facing an opponent who totally froze up. While extolling what a victory it was, people usually don't bother to notice that, technically, Lee's strategy failed: he attempted to use Jackson to split the Union army in two and, while he inflicted major casualties, failed to do so. If he had been facing a halfway competent opponent then once Jackson's attack petered out Lee would have been destroyed in detail, having split his army in the face of superior numbers and having suffered major casualties (particularly from his best corps, including his best corps commander).
The way the South talks about it you'd think Lee destroyed the entire Union Army, instead of just pushing back part of the Union flank and being lucky to escape intact. And that's his biggest victory of the war.
It's also just one of many battles where, if Lee had been facing a competent opponent, he'd have been destroyed, Antietam in particular. If someone more competent than McClellan had been commanding the Army of the Potomac that day we'd just remember Lee as the guy who won a couple of pyrrhic victories and then got the entire Army of Northern Virginia annihilated in Maryland.
Hawkins did invest in Moses Austin's Texas project, but Moses died in 1821, the same year that Stephen began to study law with Hawkins, and Stephen inherited the Texas project, which was in dire financial straights. Stephen Austin borrowed additional money from Hawkins to finance the first group of American settlers in Texas, and these funds were never paid back. Hawkins died bankrupt in the fall of 1823. He had not kept accounts, but from his notes and papers it was estimated that he had spent about $30,000 in sending and outfitting Texas colonists. There is extensive historical correspondence on this subject.
Why should I look at the Chilean flag? This discussion was begun with a statement about an out-of-date plaque in The Alamo. What other countries did or did not do is not relevant to the Alamo discussion.
And the correct answer goes to Delores! Lee said "fold the flag and retire it with honor." He also specified in his will that when he died NOBODY was to wear their old Confederate uniform in his funeral procession. And nobody did. Too bad his wishes regarding the flag weren't respected.
Interesting fact here: Not just "wealthy" but middle class and ambitious. My mother's ancestor owned slaves but not enough to exempt him from military service. There was a baseline number. He was moving up in the world, but still didn't own enough humans to preclude going to war. As you say, the truly wealthy didn't HAVE to go, though many did. My ancestor did wind up broke as hell after the war and had to sell the farm because it was too much land for him to work without free labor. His children grew up poor and haunted by dreams of past glory. The "Lost Cause" myth became ingrained early for the bitter losers.
Austin studied law with Joseph Hawkins in Mandeville, LA, which had been part of West Florida. It was there he first saw the "Bonnie Blue Flag" of West Florida and took one of the flags with him to Texas, where it later became the pattern for the Texas flag, and even later the Confederate flag that inspired the song. He also borrowed money from Hawkins for his Texas venture which he never repaid, which caused much hardship for Hawkins' widow and 5 children. He is much despised among the "Florida" parishes of Louisiana.
There is a county in Missouri known as the "Kingdom of Callaway" because in 1861 Union troops faced off against a larger group of well-trained local militia, and in order to avoid a bloodbath, the federal commander allowed Callaway County to negotiate a treaty as a sovereign state with the federal government. This treaty recognized Callaway's independence and granted it its' own right to govern itself. Callaway County still likes to refer to itself as the "Kingdom of Callaway" and they have an annual "Kingdom Days" festival. There is a city in the county called "Kingdom City".
It's pretty sad when you think about it. A group that got their asses handed to them builds monuments to their losses to intimidate people who couldn't have had it worse.
It's like I've tried to explain about a couple friends of mine, it's not how big they are, it's that you don't have the stomach to do anything to them that hasn't been done. They aren't afraid of you.
in the seventies i used to visit a college friend in richmond periodically; there, at that time, the snark name for Monument Avenue was
"Our Avenue of Second-Place Trophies"
Having lived in Richmond since 1976, I'll risk an opinion.Most of us refer to Monument Avenue as our "Second Place trophies". Everyone around these here parts knows that the ass of R. E. Lee's horse ass faces north for a big FU to the federal government. I have told foreign visitors that if they get lost, find the Lee statue to find your way.
The Arthur Ashe Monument process was a disgraceful shame and clusterfuck.(It should be located at the Byrd Park Tennis courts where he wasn't allowed to play because of being blah.) OT: I have met Arthur Ashe and I can say he was a no tipping asshole.
Here comes the really inflammatory part: I like driving down Monument Avenue. I like the rumble of the cobblestones. I like the dead men on horses statues. I like that you can find your way by the Lee statue. If Stoney and VDOT want to put up 360 signs proclaiming these guys as traitors, I'm cool with that.
Austin's dad borrowed the money. he was the one with the dream of a Texas colony and the land was already purchased when he died. besides, if you want to claim we stole a flag as part of our flag design, you might want to look at the Chilean flag.
That is a unique idea and a very good one!
Fitting place for a final Civil War battle.
Yup, I'm obviously of the opinion that Lee's genius has been vastly overstated (it's all wrapped up in the Lost Cause myth). Even the battle that was supposedly his most brilliant victory, Chancellorsville, was only possible because he was facing an opponent who totally froze up. While extolling what a victory it was, people usually don't bother to notice that, technically, Lee's strategy failed: he attempted to use Jackson to split the Union army in two and, while he inflicted major casualties, failed to do so. If he had been facing a halfway competent opponent then once Jackson's attack petered out Lee would have been destroyed in detail, having split his army in the face of superior numbers and having suffered major casualties (particularly from his best corps, including his best corps commander).
The way the South talks about it you'd think Lee destroyed the entire Union Army, instead of just pushing back part of the Union flank and being lucky to escape intact. And that's his biggest victory of the war.
It's also just one of many battles where, if Lee had been facing a competent opponent, he'd have been destroyed, Antietam in particular. If someone more competent than McClellan had been commanding the Army of the Potomac that day we'd just remember Lee as the guy who won a couple of pyrrhic victories and then got the entire Army of Northern Virginia annihilated in Maryland.
Hawkins did invest in Moses Austin's Texas project, but Moses died in 1821, the same year that Stephen began to study law with Hawkins, and Stephen inherited the Texas project, which was in dire financial straights. Stephen Austin borrowed additional money from Hawkins to finance the first group of American settlers in Texas, and these funds were never paid back. Hawkins died bankrupt in the fall of 1823. He had not kept accounts, but from his notes and papers it was estimated that he had spent about $30,000 in sending and outfitting Texas colonists. There is extensive historical correspondence on this subject.
Why should I look at the Chilean flag? This discussion was begun with a statement about an out-of-date plaque in The Alamo. What other countries did or did not do is not relevant to the Alamo discussion.
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The Last Official Confederate Flag.
As does reality.
because we passed a resolution to encourage Texans not to use the Chilean flag emoji when talking about Texas this year.
"last month her revenue was 16512 dollars just working on the internet for 3 hours each day... "
So... she wasn't out of work then. Or does this mean Dok Zoom is also out of work but working more than 3 hours a day?
We're not responsible for our ancestors, only what we take as lessons from them.