By Fastily Oh good: a new study is out that purports to show that the tipping system is actually good for servers and bartenders. We're sure this won't devolve into a smugly dickish thinkpiece-off about tipping (again). The study (we feel ill even using this word, and you'll see why in a few short paragraphs), from the University of California-Irvine and economics professor Richard B. McKenzie,
Very true. I have friends who are a professional married couple, both work and make quite good salaries, but they refused to pay for high speed internet until 2 years ago because the wife got free dial-up at work. They only moved to high speed when the employer stopped offering dial-up connections, and then they got the cheapest, slowest package available.
Probably trained in advance faux study studies at the University of Helping the Koch Brothers and Fooling the Public, with results like people love global warming, or are OK with putting Muslims in camps. Also not included in this study are jobs in the food service industry that are, as Mr. Pink in Reservoir Dogs would say, "not deemed tip worthy" like McDonald's counter servers. Here's what you do: pay servers $15/hour plus tips. Not either/or, not some convoluted choice. Economic unreality? People are going to tip. And as for the notion of "forbidding tips" (or "tips optional") -- well, in fairness the reverse should be true, if $15/hr is not acceptable: put up signs that say "You MUST tip caz our servers make shit base wages and your tips augment their attempt at a living income". In many cases, often even reported on these Wonkette pages, people are obtuse about tipping, or don't tip at all because "punishment" for "poor service" or whatever. So it's a lose lose for waiter people. I'm gonna do a study, after studying studying at the Socialist School of Study.
Idk....I installed a mantle last Jan. I'd been chatting with my client about stopping to get something for anniversary supper with Mrs Hill. The woman gave me a fifty and told em to buy a good dinner. I took it and said "Thank you very much."
As an ex-server and current over-tipper (these two things seem to go together often), I have never understood why a living wage (which YAY) means banning my option to tip if I choose to. No one has ever given me a good explanation of why it's so completely either/ or. Because ok but in NYC and other expensive cities you can't easily live on $15 per hour, even twice that is a challenge.
Ok point taken. But maybe not so comparable. Was the client watching for every little good or bad thing you did? Do you depend on all your clients to give you an extra fifty above the agreed on price, to make the whole thing work? How would that affect you if you did? And if they said "nice mantle, but you weren't very chatty today, here's 20", when you were counting on and needed 50?
Re: "The study (we feel ill even using this word,": fortunately, you don't have to use that word. This is not something published in a peer-reviewed journal. That means it's a white paper at best.
The "National Center for Policy Analysis" is a right wing think tank CEOed by famous "one-of-the-good-ones" Allen West. See Wikipedia: National Center for Policy Analysis.
You're totally right about the UK. I usually tip, but no more than 10%. But it's not unusual for me to eat out and find friends don't tip at all. And that's ok. You don't need to. I do coz in the olden days, when I was a kid, I was a waitress (servers hadn't been invented then) and I got paid a whopping £3.19 an hour. It was immense, esp after my job in the chemists at £1.89 p/h. It was a crap 'little chef' restaurant, but the two 8 hour shifts I did at the weekends kept me in damson julep lipstick, Marlboro reds and David Bowie records, so all was groovy. Sometimes people tipped- usually just leaving the change we gave and it was shared amongst all staff, chefs, supervisor, manager and waitresses. I usually walked away with enough to put a fivers worth of petrol in the car, and that lasted at least a week.
I left to work as a Christmas gift wrapper at habitat. I earned a fiver an hour there. Rich! Beyond the dreams of avarice! Then onto a pub, where no ever tipped. Because it's weird to tip in a pub. But rarely left work completely sober.
"Tipping aligns the incentives of servers and managers and owners for a common objective — to make people’s restaurant experiences a win for everyone."
I think that's the first time I've seen "decouples" spelled "aligns".
Other way around. I'm like Quentin Crisp only straight, do believe in gay rights, not an author or actor, not fond of talking to strangers on the phone, and Sting never sang about me.
Let's put it this way. My family always tips. My friends and colleagues when I was living there all always tipped. Only exceptions were when there was a service charge or particularly bad service.
You know very nice people :-) It's different in bigger towns and cities, in my experience. And much much more common nowadays- I remember watching reservoir dogs when I was at school and having a discussion about tipping. Loads of us worked in cafes and restaurants, and we found the idea of not getting proper pay was appalling, and the idea of extra cash was ace! When I was waitressing, it was a rariety. I mean, we did get some people tipping, but it was a minority.
I can certainly imagine people would tip less often at cafes.
And of course coming over to America it was an adjustment learning all the other people one was expected to tip and how much - taxis, barkeepers, hotel maids, takeout drivers, electricians, plumbers etc.
Very true. I have friends who are a professional married couple, both work and make quite good salaries, but they refused to pay for high speed internet until 2 years ago because the wife got free dial-up at work. They only moved to high speed when the employer stopped offering dial-up connections, and then they got the cheapest, slowest package available.
My new diet is donuts and fries.
Probably trained in advance faux study studies at the University of Helping the Koch Brothers and Fooling the Public, with results like people love global warming, or are OK with putting Muslims in camps. Also not included in this study are jobs in the food service industry that are, as Mr. Pink in Reservoir Dogs would say, "not deemed tip worthy" like McDonald's counter servers. Here's what you do: pay servers $15/hour plus tips. Not either/or, not some convoluted choice. Economic unreality? People are going to tip. And as for the notion of "forbidding tips" (or "tips optional") -- well, in fairness the reverse should be true, if $15/hr is not acceptable: put up signs that say "You MUST tip caz our servers make shit base wages and your tips augment their attempt at a living income". In many cases, often even reported on these Wonkette pages, people are obtuse about tipping, or don't tip at all because "punishment" for "poor service" or whatever. So it's a lose lose for waiter people. I'm gonna do a study, after studying studying at the Socialist School of Study.
Idk....I installed a mantle last Jan. I'd been chatting with my client about stopping to get something for anniversary supper with Mrs Hill. The woman gave me a fifty and told em to buy a good dinner. I took it and said "Thank you very much."
In my experience, tipping servers is never good for them.http://i.imgur.com/Sb2M5Qo.jpg
As an ex-server and current over-tipper (these two things seem to go together often), I have never understood why a living wage (which YAY) means banning my option to tip if I choose to. No one has ever given me a good explanation of why it's so completely either/ or. Because ok but in NYC and other expensive cities you can't easily live on $15 per hour, even twice that is a challenge.
Translated: expect body hair in the soup.
Ok point taken. But maybe not so comparable. Was the client watching for every little good or bad thing you did? Do you depend on all your clients to give you an extra fifty above the agreed on price, to make the whole thing work? How would that affect you if you did? And if they said "nice mantle, but you weren't very chatty today, here's 20", when you were counting on and needed 50?
Re: "The study (we feel ill even using this word,": fortunately, you don't have to use that word. This is not something published in a peer-reviewed journal. That means it's a white paper at best.
The "National Center for Policy Analysis" is a right wing think tank CEOed by famous "one-of-the-good-ones" Allen West. See Wikipedia: National Center for Policy Analysis.
You're totally right about the UK. I usually tip, but no more than 10%. But it's not unusual for me to eat out and find friends don't tip at all. And that's ok. You don't need to. I do coz in the olden days, when I was a kid, I was a waitress (servers hadn't been invented then) and I got paid a whopping £3.19 an hour. It was immense, esp after my job in the chemists at £1.89 p/h. It was a crap 'little chef' restaurant, but the two 8 hour shifts I did at the weekends kept me in damson julep lipstick, Marlboro reds and David Bowie records, so all was groovy. Sometimes people tipped- usually just leaving the change we gave and it was shared amongst all staff, chefs, supervisor, manager and waitresses. I usually walked away with enough to put a fivers worth of petrol in the car, and that lasted at least a week.
I left to work as a Christmas gift wrapper at habitat. I earned a fiver an hour there. Rich! Beyond the dreams of avarice! Then onto a pub, where no ever tipped. Because it's weird to tip in a pub. But rarely left work completely sober.
Not expected. Nice. But not necessary. Although if you are an American visiting, maybe they saw you coming.
"Tipping aligns the incentives of servers and managers and owners for a common objective — to make people’s restaurant experiences a win for everyone."
I think that's the first time I've seen "decouples" spelled "aligns".
Other way around. I'm like Quentin Crisp only straight, do believe in gay rights, not an author or actor, not fond of talking to strangers on the phone, and Sting never sang about me.
Let's put it this way. My family always tips. My friends and colleagues when I was living there all always tipped. Only exceptions were when there was a service charge or particularly bad service.
*cringe*
Welp, there goes the capital expense budget for 2016....
You know very nice people :-) It's different in bigger towns and cities, in my experience. And much much more common nowadays- I remember watching reservoir dogs when I was at school and having a discussion about tipping. Loads of us worked in cafes and restaurants, and we found the idea of not getting proper pay was appalling, and the idea of extra cash was ace! When I was waitressing, it was a rariety. I mean, we did get some people tipping, but it was a minority.
I can certainly imagine people would tip less often at cafes.
And of course coming over to America it was an adjustment learning all the other people one was expected to tip and how much - taxis, barkeepers, hotel maids, takeout drivers, electricians, plumbers etc.