As you could have predicted, for all the celebrations of Friday's Great Big Supreme Court decision, it's now time for the foot-dragging by people who simply don't wanna ride the Gay Marry-Go-Round. Chief among them is Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, who issued an
Jerry why not argue the facts? Personally I don't care about gay marriage either way, but I believe it's a state right. You seem angry so go have fun with that.
You know, the whole "secession" thing didn't exactly turn out so well last time around for those "secession-ing". So I really doubt TEXAS would get the chance to try out "how bad they could tax the US" on anything.
And "whatever happened to state's rights"? See first paragraph.
Yes but Texas is the only state that can legally leave the state's. Either way wait till the debt catches up to the U.S. Would you prefer a central government that controls everything? If so we're headed that way. Once the American peOpie will allow laws to govern then masses and not the people who enact the laws the people will accept anything. Do you understand the constitution? Do you believe it's a good thing? Should judges be able to write/rewrite laws or bypass the people? Or do you believe that the founders were wrong and racist bigots? The idea behind the founders was anything not spelled out as a federal power was a power reserved by the states. This making each state a labatory of experiments. Personally I don't care if your gay n want to get married. If a state offered it move there. That is the idea of freedom.
How is the freedom to move even remotely close to enslaving people? It's ok if you'd rather a court rule over the masses wait till it's a ruling you don't like.. Lots of the founders wanted to abolish slavery, but they knew it wouldn't pass. If the Confederate States remained divided they would have lost the war. They wrote the constitution so that it could be changed. They also wrote it where slaves did count. If they wanted it to continue on they could have written it quite a bit differently.
Your definition of "freedom" would require some people to move, as your definition includes the "freedom" to discriminate against Gay/Lesbian citizens by denying them government recognition and services based on their sexual orientation. Quite similar to the Slave states claiming they would lose their "freedom" to maintain other human beings in slavery.
As for the rest:
1) There were no "Confederate States" when the Constitution was adopted.
2) The Revolutionary War ended in 1783; the Constitutional Convention wasn't until 1787. There was no war to lose at the time of the framing of the Constitution.
3) Yes, slaves couldn't vote, were not citizens, yet counted as 3/5ths of a "person" for purposes of representation in Congress. Disproportionately increasing the power of the slave states, and ensuring that slavery would continue.
One of the main ideas within the Constitution is that certain subjects and/or rights are above the whims of the majority and political system. And I don't believe we are stuck for all time with the prevailing attitudes and interpretations of the founders. Times change; the country and society (at times extremely slowly) realize that some thing previously considered "right" are, in fact, "wrong".
The government discriminates everyday. Abolishing slavery under the constitution when crafted would have never been adopted. With 13 different states the outcome would have been vastly different. No amount of debate can determine what might have been.
A judge should not be able to legislate from the bench. Rights also shouldn't be able to be legislated away from the bench. If both are able to continue all rights we have are at risk.
This site is a socialist website. We will never convince each other to change positions. I'm not a racist or a bigot. Just because I don't agree with something doesn't mean that I hate the people involved. Gay couples don't bother me but I believe in states rights.
The government discriminates everyday. Abolishing slavery under the constitution when crafted would have never been adopted. With 13 different states the outcome would have been vastly different. No amount of debate can determine what might have been.
A judge should not be able to legislate from the bench. Rights also shouldn't be able to be legislated away from the bench. If both are able to continue all rights we have are at risk.
This site is a socialist website. We will never convince each other to change positions. I'm not a racist or a bigot. Just because I don't agree with something doesn't mean that I hate the people involved. Gay couples don't bother me but I believe in states rights.
The Supreme Court once ruled that slavery was constitutional and thus completely legal throughout every state in the entire country, even if a state voted to be free, and then a civil war happened and look how much good that ruling is now lol
Lmfao I'm sorry but I have to inform you that1. The United States was founded as a Confederacy and the US confederate congress some ten years after the revolutionary war voted to create the US federal government in 1789, so all 13 states at the founding of the United States were Confederate States when the Constitution was created by the Congress of the Confederation.
And you are completely wrong about the constitution being left to change at the whims of the masses lol, the founding fathers where English and in England there is no constitution which means the laws can be changed whimsically which can easily lead to the destruction of liberty, so the founders of the United States wrote the rights of US citizens down so they could be unchangeable.
Also, we have 50 states and not just one big State for a reason called freedom. Each state is a country free to have its own laws that best suit the way of life for the people in each state. That means there are 50 deferent places one can find a deferent way of life and in this diversity there is freedom of choice for individuals or family's to decide where and how they want to live. If all states are made to have the exact same laws, then there is no choice left up to the individual citizen, and when a citizen has no choices how is that freedom? If I want to live in a state without weed or drugs, gays, blacks, immigrants, whites, guns or taxes, shouldn't I have the right to choose for myself what type of society I live in, without the ability to choose, when every state is forced to be the same, there is no freedom, but only absolutism and tyranny.
Texas won't have to secede, the US is bankrupt and going down from its own greedy gluttony, a world war might save it if we could win but with all the depopulation from abortions and gays not doing their part to multiple our numbers were totally fucked going up against china, were outnumbered 5 to 1 just like the confederacy was in the civil war and no amount of technology or strategy can bet over whelming numbers, that's just historical fact, Rome lost to the northern Germanic barbarians because of their homosexual depopulation, and Greece lost to Rome for the same reason, Rome become hellenized when they took greek teachers back to Rome to educate their kids and then the Romans pick up homosexuality and it eventaully brought them down, and the English empire picked up homosexually in India because of trading laws which precluded English soldiers from have sex with native weman or from bring English weman to India, so the eng. solders resorted to taking care of each others needs, eventaully the English couldn't support their colonial empire because they ran out of the man power to manage it and gave up their colonies after WWII. The US habit of not wanting to reproduce that has developed over the last 70 years has destroyed any chance we had at winning WWIII. So by all means be gay and enjoy what we have while we still have it cuz it'll all probably be gone in the next 30 to 50 yearslol
Jerry why not argue the facts? Personally I don't care about gay marriage either way, but I believe it's a state right. You seem angry so go have fun with that.
Angry, maybe. Victorious? Yes!!!And I find it interesting that you seem to have started a Disqus account just for this one post.
Lol maybe but you never disputed the facts presented. :-)
You know, the whole "secession" thing didn't exactly turn out so well last time around for those "secession-ing". So I really doubt TEXAS would get the chance to try out "how bad they could tax the US" on anything.
And "whatever happened to state's rights"? See first paragraph.
Yes but Texas is the only state that can legally leave the state's. Either way wait till the debt catches up to the U.S. Would you prefer a central government that controls everything? If so we're headed that way. Once the American peOpie will allow laws to govern then masses and not the people who enact the laws the people will accept anything. Do you understand the constitution? Do you believe it's a good thing? Should judges be able to write/rewrite laws or bypass the people? Or do you believe that the founders were wrong and racist bigots? The idea behind the founders was anything not spelled out as a federal power was a power reserved by the states. This making each state a labatory of experiments. Personally I don't care if your gay n want to get married. If a state offered it move there. That is the idea of freedom.
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Obviously, many of the founders were racist and wrong about slavery.
And your idea of "freedom" seems eerily similar to those in the past who felt it meant the "freedom" to enslave other human beings.
How is the freedom to move even remotely close to enslaving people? It's ok if you'd rather a court rule over the masses wait till it's a ruling you don't like.. Lots of the founders wanted to abolish slavery, but they knew it wouldn't pass. If the Confederate States remained divided they would have lost the war. They wrote the constitution so that it could be changed. They also wrote it where slaves did count. If they wanted it to continue on they could have written it quite a bit differently.
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"Freedom to move"? No.
Your definition of "freedom" would require some people to move, as your definition includes the "freedom" to discriminate against Gay/Lesbian citizens by denying them government recognition and services based on their sexual orientation. Quite similar to the Slave states claiming they would lose their "freedom" to maintain other human beings in slavery.
As for the rest:
1) There were no "Confederate States" when the Constitution was adopted.
2) The Revolutionary War ended in 1783; the Constitutional Convention wasn't until 1787. There was no war to lose at the time of the framing of the Constitution.
3) Yes, slaves couldn't vote, were not citizens, yet counted as 3/5ths of a "person" for purposes of representation in Congress. Disproportionately increasing the power of the slave states, and ensuring that slavery would continue.
One of the main ideas within the Constitution is that certain subjects and/or rights are above the whims of the majority and political system. And I don't believe we are stuck for all time with the prevailing attitudes and interpretations of the founders. Times change; the country and society (at times extremely slowly) realize that some thing previously considered "right" are, in fact, "wrong".
Just checking but your referring to the 1499th amendment right?
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The government discriminates everyday. Abolishing slavery under the constitution when crafted would have never been adopted. With 13 different states the outcome would have been vastly different. No amount of debate can determine what might have been.
A judge should not be able to legislate from the bench. Rights also shouldn't be able to be legislated away from the bench. If both are able to continue all rights we have are at risk.
This site is a socialist website. We will never convince each other to change positions. I'm not a racist or a bigot. Just because I don't agree with something doesn't mean that I hate the people involved. Gay couples don't bother me but I believe in states rights.
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The government discriminates everyday. Abolishing slavery under the constitution when crafted would have never been adopted. With 13 different states the outcome would have been vastly different. No amount of debate can determine what might have been.
A judge should not be able to legislate from the bench. Rights also shouldn't be able to be legislated away from the bench. If both are able to continue all rights we have are at risk.
This site is a socialist website. We will never convince each other to change positions. I'm not a racist or a bigot. Just because I don't agree with something doesn't mean that I hate the people involved. Gay couples don't bother me but I believe in states rights.
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The Supreme Court once ruled that slavery was constitutional and thus completely legal throughout every state in the entire country, even if a state voted to be free, and then a civil war happened and look how much good that ruling is now lol
Lmfao I'm sorry but I have to inform you that1. The United States was founded as a Confederacy and the US confederate congress some ten years after the revolutionary war voted to create the US federal government in 1789, so all 13 states at the founding of the United States were Confederate States when the Constitution was created by the Congress of the Confederation.
And you are completely wrong about the constitution being left to change at the whims of the masses lol, the founding fathers where English and in England there is no constitution which means the laws can be changed whimsically which can easily lead to the destruction of liberty, so the founders of the United States wrote the rights of US citizens down so they could be unchangeable.
Also, we have 50 states and not just one big State for a reason called freedom. Each state is a country free to have its own laws that best suit the way of life for the people in each state. That means there are 50 deferent places one can find a deferent way of life and in this diversity there is freedom of choice for individuals or family's to decide where and how they want to live. If all states are made to have the exact same laws, then there is no choice left up to the individual citizen, and when a citizen has no choices how is that freedom? If I want to live in a state without weed or drugs, gays, blacks, immigrants, whites, guns or taxes, shouldn't I have the right to choose for myself what type of society I live in, without the ability to choose, when every state is forced to be the same, there is no freedom, but only absolutism and tyranny.
Jerry, your a fucking grammer nazi! Get over the little things and grow a pair you sissy
States rights and the Constitutional dead with the Confederacy lol
Texas won't have to secede, the US is bankrupt and going down from its own greedy gluttony, a world war might save it if we could win but with all the depopulation from abortions and gays not doing their part to multiple our numbers were totally fucked going up against china, were outnumbered 5 to 1 just like the confederacy was in the civil war and no amount of technology or strategy can bet over whelming numbers, that's just historical fact, Rome lost to the northern Germanic barbarians because of their homosexual depopulation, and Greece lost to Rome for the same reason, Rome become hellenized when they took greek teachers back to Rome to educate their kids and then the Romans pick up homosexuality and it eventaully brought them down, and the English empire picked up homosexually in India because of trading laws which precluded English soldiers from have sex with native weman or from bring English weman to India, so the eng. solders resorted to taking care of each others needs, eventaully the English couldn't support their colonial empire because they ran out of the man power to manage it and gave up their colonies after WWII. The US habit of not wanting to reproduce that has developed over the last 70 years has destroyed any chance we had at winning WWIII. So by all means be gay and enjoy what we have while we still have it cuz it'll all probably be gone in the next 30 to 50 yearslol