OH YEAH? OH YEAH? [contextly_sidebar id="JlFFd4LpiF009JS5ppIIxGtZ2wfVtvQv"]Thursday night's Democratic debate was fun! As usual, it featured grown-ups saying brain thoughts to each other, as opposed to the poo-flinging zoo creatures on the crowded GOP debate stage. But this time the grown-ups' faces got all red and the brain thoughts were GRRRRR. And, of course, the fight started over which candidate's "progressive" dick was bigger, because that's what they've been
True dat. lol. Hey, that was a very entertaining article. I watched the first hour of the debate last night from my DVR, but I need to finish it. From what I saw, it were rail goot. ;-))
That's so amazing, cause I was a Hillary gal in '08, didn't mind voting for Bamz at all, but this time feel a more hostile tone!BTW: I know Hillary, and did some staffing work for her. She came to speak at the memorial service for my best friend, (a democratic activist), and I saw her grow as a politician in her own right. I know she's a lot more genuine and warm than people realize, but acknowledge that I have a unique perspective.
Alright, instead of taking sides I'll argue that "Progressive" or "progressive" is a solid term only in relation to its given era. Woodrow Wilson was considered a progressive in his day, but he was a racist who kicked black employees out of government jobs. He oversaw the Palmer Raids -- the first insane "Find the commies! Kill! Kill!" panic in the country, among other things he did. Ditto with Teddy Roosevelt, who liked nothing more than a jolly good war with a heavy dose of colonialism. On and on the list goes. Completely relative to the era, just like pubic hair in pornography; what was air-brushed out was then shown, and later shaved completely, still later shaved and stylized. Not that I'd know.
I'm using "third way" in the sense it has traditionally been used internationally, which is as a label for those who reject both classical liberalism's firm belief in market solutions and communism's government-controlled economy in favour of a middle road, i.e. social democrats. Americans love to make up their own terms for political ideologies, or to grab terms that the rest of the world uses differently, but it would make life simpler (and give you a better understanding of how US politicians compare to foreigners) if you used the same terms that are common in Europe.
However, that's irrelevant to the question of whether Bernie can call himself a progressive and a socialist. He can't - not even in the US. And his favourite term, "democratic socialist", is just a confusing substitute for the well established and internationally recognized "social democrat". Why he seems to want to avoid that label is a mystery to me.
I know very well what "Third Way" means, but in the 80s and 90s Americans began to use the term in a different way than it has traditionally been applied internationally. Unfortunately, Americans tend to think that liberalism is the furthest left a person can go and still be considered reasonable, so they also assume that liberalism must constitute the left wing of that melding of extremes. In this they completely disregard socialism, which is the left-wing position that the international "Third Way" parties distanced themselves from by acknowledging a role for market solutions and rejecting violent revolution. Historically, social democrats have been the "Third Way" in most countries in the world.
It's a fairly meaningless term, it's true, but it does usually describe a form of liberalism. And liberalism ain't socialism, so I don't know what Bernie is doing trying to steal that label for himself. Besides, what's wrong with being a social democrat?
Thank you! I bought it instead since my friend who wanted to come with me had to bail and I hate crying in public. I did already know most of the story (I have a long held grudge against the Catholic church) so it was less rage inducing and more that I started crying three separate times. I was also distracting myself by admiring the sets and reading the xray notes.
Is that like a buttload?
I like the sound of Majority Leader Warren, too, but do you think that Hillary Clinton will start pushing Chuck Schumer down?
True dat. lol. Hey, that was a very entertaining article. I watched the first hour of the debate last night from my DVR, but I need to finish it. From what I saw, it were rail goot. ;-))
That's so amazing, cause I was a Hillary gal in '08, didn't mind voting for Bamz at all, but this time feel a more hostile tone!BTW: I know Hillary, and did some staffing work for her. She came to speak at the memorial service for my best friend, (a democratic activist), and I saw her grow as a politician in her own right. I know she's a lot more genuine and warm than people realize, but acknowledge that I have a unique perspective.
Hillary on Goldman Sachs: "I did not have financial relations with that firm!"
are his rooms always full?
And they were as schizophrenic as it sounds. However, a Canadian conservative will not stand against universal health care.
Canadian conservatives (for the most part) resemble your centrist democrats
Worst part was watching the kids (Raych and Chuck) goad them on. Because...ratings.
Alright, instead of taking sides I'll argue that "Progressive" or "progressive" is a solid term only in relation to its given era. Woodrow Wilson was considered a progressive in his day, but he was a racist who kicked black employees out of government jobs. He oversaw the Palmer Raids -- the first insane "Find the commies! Kill! Kill!" panic in the country, among other things he did. Ditto with Teddy Roosevelt, who liked nothing more than a jolly good war with a heavy dose of colonialism. On and on the list goes. Completely relative to the era, just like pubic hair in pornography; what was air-brushed out was then shown, and later shaved completely, still later shaved and stylized. Not that I'd know.
Or even 'harlot' nowadays.
I'm using "third way" in the sense it has traditionally been used internationally, which is as a label for those who reject both classical liberalism's firm belief in market solutions and communism's government-controlled economy in favour of a middle road, i.e. social democrats. Americans love to make up their own terms for political ideologies, or to grab terms that the rest of the world uses differently, but it would make life simpler (and give you a better understanding of how US politicians compare to foreigners) if you used the same terms that are common in Europe.
However, that's irrelevant to the question of whether Bernie can call himself a progressive and a socialist. He can't - not even in the US. And his favourite term, "democratic socialist", is just a confusing substitute for the well established and internationally recognized "social democrat". Why he seems to want to avoid that label is a mystery to me.
I know very well what "Third Way" means, but in the 80s and 90s Americans began to use the term in a different way than it has traditionally been applied internationally. Unfortunately, Americans tend to think that liberalism is the furthest left a person can go and still be considered reasonable, so they also assume that liberalism must constitute the left wing of that melding of extremes. In this they completely disregard socialism, which is the left-wing position that the international "Third Way" parties distanced themselves from by acknowledging a role for market solutions and rejecting violent revolution. Historically, social democrats have been the "Third Way" in most countries in the world.
It's a fairly meaningless term, it's true, but it does usually describe a form of liberalism. And liberalism ain't socialism, so I don't know what Bernie is doing trying to steal that label for himself. Besides, what's wrong with being a social democrat?
No, by the skin of my teeth.
Both cabbage and dental floss also have more brain power than many Republicans currently (or recently) running for the nomination.
Thank you! I bought it instead since my friend who wanted to come with me had to bail and I hate crying in public. I did already know most of the story (I have a long held grudge against the Catholic church) so it was less rage inducing and more that I started crying three separate times. I was also distracting myself by admiring the sets and reading the xray notes.
I appreciate the warning.