"Many times more documents than I or any other president ... "
"The most corrupt in history ... "
"The worst this country has ever seen ... "
When Trump uses language like that, as he often does, what he really means, of course, is that this is the thing that has irked him most in the last five minutes - and that is about as far back as his attention span reaches.
Also, Trump's ass was not covered for mishandling classified documents by the Presidential Records Act, which says pretty much the opposite of what Trump claims it does. But his yoyo true believers will never check that out or think about it, and they are his target audience, as always.
Was Bedminster ever searched by FBI agents? All I have seen is that Trump lawyers claimed they searched there, but we all know how "out of the loop" those motherfuckers were ( if they weren't being dishonest about it all ).
If not, why doesn't someone ( Judge Cannon, Special Prosecutor Smith, anyone at the DOJ ) get this done? I'm not necessarily suggesting they dig up Ivana's grave, but surely a more thorough search is warranted.
If that suggestion was made in connection with anybody except Donald Trump - or almost anybody; this is a world which contains Matt Gaetz, after all - I'd say 'Oh, come ON, that is just grotesque and obscene." As would you, probably. But it is in connection with Donald Trump, and that man, all by himself, has re-defined grotesque and obscene.
There is nothing - NOTHING - too grotesque and obscene for Trump. Ivana's very burial on his bloody golf course, using the remains of the mother of his children as a tax dodge, was grotesque and obscene. Utterly neglecting her burial place once it served his purpose, not even keeping it mowed, is grotesque and obscene.
DID he bury compromising stuff in her coffin? Unknown. WOULD he have, if it suited his purpose? 100%.
Not sure if Bedminster was ever searched by FBI, but I got the gist from earlier news reports that those docs were taken back to 'Lardo with Trumbass. At one point, Trump's people were scrambling to locate that Iranian invasion plan that he'd waved around at the golf club, but couldn't. That was because (if I understand correctly) Jack Smith's team already had it. I assume they collected it with the cache of other docs seized at Trash Palace. If all this is true, it makes Trump look even worse. He wasn't just hoarding a bunch of boxes with miscellaneous items that included some classified shit. He specifically knew which high level items were in those boxes and having his minions transport them just so he could display them to people without clearance FOR HIS PERSONAL BENEFIT.
Hmm - that's more than I remember - bit it still doesn't sound like Bedminster was searched ( as well as any of his other "personal" properties. For instance, what about that penthouse at Trump Tower? )
Yes and let me be clear... I got all that from watching a CNN panel of legal analysts covering the story months ago. They were asking this question about what happened to the Bedminster docs and I think one of the smartniks combed through the indictment's inventory of seized documents and was able to put 2 and 2 together. It was an inference but not 100% sure. And of course doesn't address your main question about other properties being searched.
He was loading boxes of docs in a panel van to be driven to a plane going to Bedminster while FBI agents were coming through the front door with a search warrant?
That sounds like odd behavior for someone who was operating under his full legal rights.
Cannon is going to dismiss the case because that's how shit rolls in our current judicial system. A system that punishes the prosecutors for minor infractions while letting the criminals get away with murder.
meh she doesn't need to. if she delays long enough and trump wins, it's all done. if she delays long enough and biden wins, she can proceed with (an 'extremely thorough') trial and continue misjudging from the bench for the rest of her natural life.
Different scenarios, but we definitely read a lot about people exonerated for actual murder convictions and the crooked prosecutors see no consequences at all.
No. Even as craven, money-grubbing, and moronic as Cannon is, she knows better than that. That would be the end of the bitch's little gravy train and could eventually turn into charges against her.
They all learn what he's like after spending years working for him. Butler looks like a genius because he was about a half-a-step ahead of the rest of them.
Smart would have been driving that van to the local FBI office and saying, "I don't know what's going on here, but I don't want to be in the middle of it."
A reminder- Trump's supporters believe there is a secret cabal of wealthy power brokers behind the scenes of all international and national politics, and that their interests are not those of the nations they come from but are instead directly opposed to them, and that they operate with a careless disregard of national security in order to share information and control with each other.
I read some thing today speculating that he handed off docs to the Saudis at the NJ airport. They were coming in for that golf tournament. Maybe they really just wanted the kitchen “stuff.”
I have spent some time trying to figure out how Trump got access to his ex wife's body. They'd been divorced for decades. Why did he have any claims on her remains?
Maybe I'm a bad googler but I couldn't get that basic question answered to my satisfaction. Perhaps you know?
I don't think that sort of stuff is resting for eternity with Ivana. It'd be too hard to discretely get to those docs, and certainly not on short notice.
I think Ivana's sleeping with all the dirt Pecker had on him, never to see the light of day.
But, yeah, dig that fucking grave up. The results will probably be historically significant enough to deserve an actual marker.
I still argue that Trump's influence is hypnosis, and I still think it's partly his hands, and why he does those stupid accordion moves. But more I guess it's maybe his overbearing loudness.
"By the way, we still don’t know what happened to the documents that went to Bedminster."
Jeezus! Is anybody in our vast network of national security agencies taking any of this seriously? I hope they've got spies embedded in Mar A Lago and Bedminster to keep an eye on all the foreign spies who are hanging around.
(I imagine Trump's properties resemble the Pink Panther movie where all the world's best assassins are hunting Clousseau at Oktoberfest. Every other person you meet is a spy.)
It seems to me that we have the tech to weave trackers into the paper the documents are printed on. It seems a minor expense on matters of national security. Too late for this mess, but perhaps going forward?
Definitely buried. Remember how heavy that casket looked?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
"Many times more documents than I or any other president ... "
"The most corrupt in history ... "
"The worst this country has ever seen ... "
When Trump uses language like that, as he often does, what he really means, of course, is that this is the thing that has irked him most in the last five minutes - and that is about as far back as his attention span reaches.
Also, Trump's ass was not covered for mishandling classified documents by the Presidential Records Act, which says pretty much the opposite of what Trump claims it does. But his yoyo true believers will never check that out or think about it, and they are his target audience, as always.
I disagree only because for them to be available for sale a coffin would make retrieval more obvious and difficult.
Ivanna was cremated. What was buried at Bedminster?
with like 10 pall bearers carrying an apparently very heavy box.
i've always thought this whole thing was odd - and if any family in america was likely to bury secrets with mom, it would be this one.
We already know he was moving boxes of documents to Bedminster after the FIRST time authorities started asking about them, back in May 2021. Seems pretty obvious what was going on there. https://www.salon.com/2022/09/12/better-bedminster-video-shows-boarding-plane-with-boxes-after-feds-asked-for-docs/
Was Bedminster ever searched by FBI agents? All I have seen is that Trump lawyers claimed they searched there, but we all know how "out of the loop" those motherfuckers were ( if they weren't being dishonest about it all ).
If not, why doesn't someone ( Judge Cannon, Special Prosecutor Smith, anyone at the DOJ ) get this done? I'm not necessarily suggesting they dig up Ivana's grave, but surely a more thorough search is warranted.
Eventually they ARE going to have to dig up Ivana's grave.
If that suggestion was made in connection with anybody except Donald Trump - or almost anybody; this is a world which contains Matt Gaetz, after all - I'd say 'Oh, come ON, that is just grotesque and obscene." As would you, probably. But it is in connection with Donald Trump, and that man, all by himself, has re-defined grotesque and obscene.
There is nothing - NOTHING - too grotesque and obscene for Trump. Ivana's very burial on his bloody golf course, using the remains of the mother of his children as a tax dodge, was grotesque and obscene. Utterly neglecting her burial place once it served his purpose, not even keeping it mowed, is grotesque and obscene.
DID he bury compromising stuff in her coffin? Unknown. WOULD he have, if it suited his purpose? 100%.
There is no bottom to the man's depravity.
Not sure if Bedminster was ever searched by FBI, but I got the gist from earlier news reports that those docs were taken back to 'Lardo with Trumbass. At one point, Trump's people were scrambling to locate that Iranian invasion plan that he'd waved around at the golf club, but couldn't. That was because (if I understand correctly) Jack Smith's team already had it. I assume they collected it with the cache of other docs seized at Trash Palace. If all this is true, it makes Trump look even worse. He wasn't just hoarding a bunch of boxes with miscellaneous items that included some classified shit. He specifically knew which high level items were in those boxes and having his minions transport them just so he could display them to people without clearance FOR HIS PERSONAL BENEFIT.
Hmm - that's more than I remember - bit it still doesn't sound like Bedminster was searched ( as well as any of his other "personal" properties. For instance, what about that penthouse at Trump Tower? )
Yes and let me be clear... I got all that from watching a CNN panel of legal analysts covering the story months ago. They were asking this question about what happened to the Bedminster docs and I think one of the smartniks combed through the indictment's inventory of seized documents and was able to put 2 and 2 together. It was an inference but not 100% sure. And of course doesn't address your main question about other properties being searched.
He was loading boxes of docs in a panel van to be driven to a plane going to Bedminster while FBI agents were coming through the front door with a search warrant?
That sounds like odd behavior for someone who was operating under his full legal rights.
"No, it sounded excessive, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen . "
- Vinnie Vega, PULP FICTION
It only took Brian 20 years and an FBI investigation to realize that PAB is a piece of shit.
He should have called me. I would have set him straight.
Some people are gifted and perceptive that way.
If you’re not really ambitious, maxing out as Chief Vehicle Wrangler at Mar-A-Lardo is a pretty cushy gig.
At some point, though, he's going to have to answer the question, "Grandpa, you actually worked for that piece of shit?"
Cannon is going to dismiss the case because that's how shit rolls in our current judicial system. A system that punishes the prosecutors for minor infractions while letting the criminals get away with murder.
meh she doesn't need to. if she delays long enough and trump wins, it's all done. if she delays long enough and biden wins, she can proceed with (an 'extremely thorough') trial and continue misjudging from the bench for the rest of her natural life.
Different scenarios, but we definitely read a lot about people exonerated for actual murder convictions and the crooked prosecutors see no consequences at all.
No. Even as craven, money-grubbing, and moronic as Cannon is, she knows better than that. That would be the end of the bitch's little gravy train and could eventually turn into charges against her.
> “I knew it was coming, I just had a feeling ... In something like this, I think it’s better to look after it yourself.”
Does this make Butler the ONLY person who actually learned what PAB was like after spending years working for him?
I know right? This is shaping into a really low budget version of The Godfather IV (or is it V?).
They all learn what he's like after spending years working for him. Butler looks like a genius because he was about a half-a-step ahead of the rest of them.
Jimmy Buffett (RIP) would say, "one step ahead of the jailer"...
He appears to be the only smart one.
"Smart" might be pushing things a little bit. The survival instinct is a reaction, not a strategy.
Smart would have been driving that van to the local FBI office and saying, "I don't know what's going on here, but I don't want to be in the middle of it."
No matter how bad it sounds, it’s always worse when you learn the details.
A reminder- Trump's supporters believe there is a secret cabal of wealthy power brokers behind the scenes of all international and national politics, and that their interests are not those of the nations they come from but are instead directly opposed to them, and that they operate with a careless disregard of national security in order to share information and control with each other.
They also think this is bad.
I read some thing today speculating that he handed off docs to the Saudis at the NJ airport. They were coming in for that golf tournament. Maybe they really just wanted the kitchen “stuff.”
Dig up the grave. Some of us have been saying that all along!
I have spent some time trying to figure out how Trump got access to his ex wife's body. They'd been divorced for decades. Why did he have any claims on her remains?
Maybe I'm a bad googler but I couldn't get that basic question answered to my satisfaction. Perhaps you know?
I don't think that sort of stuff is resting for eternity with Ivana. It'd be too hard to discretely get to those docs, and certainly not on short notice.
I think Ivana's sleeping with all the dirt Pecker had on him, never to see the light of day.
But, yeah, dig that fucking grave up. The results will probably be historically significant enough to deserve an actual marker.
Excellent point! (In my defense: why is it the rightwingers get to have all the conspiracies?)
What's with Chinatown? Is it, like, a zjohn Huston/Faye Dunaway reference/admission?
Commies!
Forget it, Jake. It's tfg.
She's my wife – SLAP – she's my daughter – SLAP – my wife – SLAP – my daughter…
I still argue that Trump's influence is hypnosis, and I still think it's partly his hands, and why he does those stupid accordion moves. But more I guess it's maybe his overbearing loudness.
https://psychcentral.com/blog/sex-addiction/2013/03/narcissists-are-hypnotists-how-you-can-break-the-spell#1
He’s “one of us” because they have common mental health issues, beyond the narcissistic personality.
They also hate Blacks, Mexicans and gays together.
"By the way, we still don’t know what happened to the documents that went to Bedminster."
Jeezus! Is anybody in our vast network of national security agencies taking any of this seriously? I hope they've got spies embedded in Mar A Lago and Bedminster to keep an eye on all the foreign spies who are hanging around.
(I imagine Trump's properties resemble the Pink Panther movie where all the world's best assassins are hunting Clousseau at Oktoberfest. Every other person you meet is a spy.)
It seems to me that we have the tech to weave trackers into the paper the documents are printed on. It seems a minor expense on matters of national security. Too late for this mess, but perhaps going forward?
More people are going to get injured by drumpfers; it's just a matter of time and Loose Cannon will have blood on her robe.