The world decided after 1945 that boundaries would no longer be changed by violent force, and for the most part that has held. We recognize Switzerland because it has been there for a long time, and do not indulge in any fantasies that it would be better to annex parts of it to Germany, France, and Italy while granting independence to Graubunden because of their unique language. When the Soviet Union dissolved, Russia and Ukraine entered into an agreement about where their border was. Ending the principles that nations respect each other's borders and that international agreements should be adhered to is the path to chronic warfare on a scale never before seen.
Donny asks if we remember Helsinki?How can anyone forget. Just go back and look online at the pictures.You will see a compromised American president who had just been shown the pee tapes and who because he has the filters of a six year old, pouted the whole trip.
One nation that did not decide that borders were sacrosanct after 1945 was the good ol' USofA, and one border it worked hard to erase was the internal one between Ukrainains and the Russian SSR. Might have worked, too, if it hadn't been for Kim Philby.
Very, very few Americans know about that warmongering effort, but you know who does know? Russians, and most especially people in Russian counterintelligence.
Other post 1945 borders not respected by the US include Congo, Iraq, Vietnam, Cambodia, China, Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, Angola, India, West-East Pakistan.
It's pure power politics: We do what we think is advantageous to us -- though we are often wrong -- and get on our high horses when someone -- possibly just a peasant nobody with no friends -- questions our preferred outcome.
There is zero honesty in the American government's policy regarding Ukraine -- whatever it is this week -- and you, at least, know better than to pretend that there is.
I happen to judge -- though events may well prove me mistaken -- that treating Ukraine as Putin's Spain will work to our advantage, but I am not such a cynic as to think that the Ukrainians will benefit equally, just as Spain can hardly be said to have benefitted in the long run from helping Britain in the early 1800s.
i meant using patriotic (or unpatriotic) to describe politicians stands on matters in their own country - calling someone a 'real' american won't hit the rubes - calling them an unpatriotic american will
Of course, Trump is right. If there's anything we've learned in the last 100 years, it's that appeasement always works to satisfy the poor persecuted foreign dictators. We MUST impeach Biden for hurting Putey Pute's feelings!!!
Beg to differ on this phrase: "the rotting husk of nothingness Russia has become in the last several decades". Look up the last, oh... 200, 500, 1000, years of Russian & Soviet history. That country has NEVER had its shit together. Gulag. Forced labor. Death Camps. Radioactive towns in Siberia. Nuclear meltdowns (more than one). Human rights and environmental degradation up the fucking butt. "Decades"? Yes. And so much more.
"one border it worked hard to erase was the internal one between Ukrainains and the Russian SSR" I have no idea what you are even trying to say."Other post 1945 borders not respected by the US include Congo, Iraq, Vietnam, Cambodia, China, Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, Angola, India, West-East Pakistan." At no time did the US attempt to annex even a square centimeter from any of those countries. Again, what are you even trying to say?
It's not us-- it's some guy who comes along like that Serbian Miroslav Something, and finds he can become powerful by dividing Serbs and the other guys, tho they've been living together ok-- why should we get the blame for these struggles? Have we caused even one of them? That's how you make it sound.
Well, I said very, very few Americans know about the US campaign to start a separatist insurrection in Ukraine in 1949-50. An accessible place to start (and one of the very, very few sources) is an unlikely one, the first autobiography of William Sloane Coffin, "Once to Every Man."
Before he became an antiwar priest, he was a CIA plotter.
My list of unstable borders includes a small selection of places where we tried to destabilize or destroy established governments by backing various forms of separatism.
"I said very, very few Americans know about the US campaign to start a separatist insurrection in Ukraine in 1949-50" What you said was that the US was trying to erase the border line between Russian FSSR and Ukrainian SSR, which made no zero sense (why would we care how many SSRs the USSR decided to subdivide into? would the Soviets care whether New York and Pennsylvania merged into one state or not?) and you made no effort to communicate what you were even talking about."My list of unstable borders includes a small selection of places where we tried to destabilize or destroy established governments by backing various forms of separatism." You were not making any sense there either. In Congo we were strongly opposed to the Katanga separatist movement; in the case of Pakistan we wanted "West" Pakistan to continue controlling East Pakistan until past the point where that was feasible. In most of the rest of the cases I have no clue what you are even trying to allude too.If you don't have any intention of communicating, there really isn't any point in posting.
The world decided after 1945 that boundaries would no longer be changed by violent force, and for the most part that has held. We recognize Switzerland because it has been there for a long time, and do not indulge in any fantasies that it would be better to annex parts of it to Germany, France, and Italy while granting independence to Graubunden because of their unique language. When the Soviet Union dissolved, Russia and Ukraine entered into an agreement about where their border was. Ending the principles that nations respect each other's borders and that international agreements should be adhered to is the path to chronic warfare on a scale never before seen.
Donny asks if we remember Helsinki?How can anyone forget. Just go back and look online at the pictures.You will see a compromised American president who had just been shown the pee tapes and who because he has the filters of a six year old, pouted the whole trip.
One nation that did not decide that borders were sacrosanct after 1945 was the good ol' USofA, and one border it worked hard to erase was the internal one between Ukrainains and the Russian SSR. Might have worked, too, if it hadn't been for Kim Philby.
Very, very few Americans know about that warmongering effort, but you know who does know? Russians, and most especially people in Russian counterintelligence.
Other post 1945 borders not respected by the US include Congo, Iraq, Vietnam, Cambodia, China, Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, Angola, India, West-East Pakistan.
It's pure power politics: We do what we think is advantageous to us -- though we are often wrong -- and get on our high horses when someone -- possibly just a peasant nobody with no friends -- questions our preferred outcome.
There is zero honesty in the American government's policy regarding Ukraine -- whatever it is this week -- and you, at least, know better than to pretend that there is.
I happen to judge -- though events may well prove me mistaken -- that treating Ukraine as Putin's Spain will work to our advantage, but I am not such a cynic as to think that the Ukrainians will benefit equally, just as Spain can hardly be said to have benefitted in the long run from helping Britain in the early 1800s.
i meant using patriotic (or unpatriotic) to describe politicians stands on matters in their own country - calling someone a 'real' american won't hit the rubes - calling them an unpatriotic american will
Of course, Trump is right. If there's anything we've learned in the last 100 years, it's that appeasement always works to satisfy the poor persecuted foreign dictators. We MUST impeach Biden for hurting Putey Pute's feelings!!!
A big friggin' gas station ran in a haze of corruption and vodka
Beg to differ on this phrase: "the rotting husk of nothingness Russia has become in the last several decades". Look up the last, oh... 200, 500, 1000, years of Russian & Soviet history. That country has NEVER had its shit together. Gulag. Forced labor. Death Camps. Radioactive towns in Siberia. Nuclear meltdowns (more than one). Human rights and environmental degradation up the fucking butt. "Decades"? Yes. And so much more.
"one border it worked hard to erase was the internal one between Ukrainains and the Russian SSR" I have no idea what you are even trying to say."Other post 1945 borders not respected by the US include Congo, Iraq, Vietnam, Cambodia, China, Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, Angola, India, West-East Pakistan." At no time did the US attempt to annex even a square centimeter from any of those countries. Again, what are you even trying to say?
It still seems unbelievable.
Ukraine was old when Russia hadn't started up yet.
More ideas, please.
It's not us-- it's some guy who comes along like that Serbian Miroslav Something, and finds he can become powerful by dividing Serbs and the other guys, tho they've been living together ok-- why should we get the blame for these struggles? Have we caused even one of them? That's how you make it sound.
Read more history. Ray Billington's "The Icon and the Axe" is an accessible place to start.
Well, I said very, very few Americans know about the US campaign to start a separatist insurrection in Ukraine in 1949-50. An accessible place to start (and one of the very, very few sources) is an unlikely one, the first autobiography of William Sloane Coffin, "Once to Every Man."
Before he became an antiwar priest, he was a CIA plotter.
My list of unstable borders includes a small selection of places where we tried to destabilize or destroy established governments by backing various forms of separatism.
That was before the Russians were discovered to be laundering campaign money through the NRA.
"I said very, very few Americans know about the US campaign to start a separatist insurrection in Ukraine in 1949-50" What you said was that the US was trying to erase the border line between Russian FSSR and Ukrainian SSR, which made no zero sense (why would we care how many SSRs the USSR decided to subdivide into? would the Soviets care whether New York and Pennsylvania merged into one state or not?) and you made no effort to communicate what you were even talking about."My list of unstable borders includes a small selection of places where we tried to destabilize or destroy established governments by backing various forms of separatism." You were not making any sense there either. In Congo we were strongly opposed to the Katanga separatist movement; in the case of Pakistan we wanted "West" Pakistan to continue controlling East Pakistan until past the point where that was feasible. In most of the rest of the cases I have no clue what you are even trying to allude too.If you don't have any intention of communicating, there really isn't any point in posting.