LOL, it really was more of a rhetorical question...are you a recovering Luth?
I grew up mainly in Methodist worship--that is, when we went to the grandparents, that's the church they went to (on both sides of the family)--and of course I understand that the mainline Protestant denominations all have a spectrum that ideas fall under--there was the Methodist Episcopal Church, which was the "middle", although it was the part that was closest to Church of England belief; Welsh Methodism, which incorporated Calvinism to a greater degree, and the other branches which covered the gamut--United Brethren, Free Methodists, etc.
(If the fates are kind and we get a new president in 2019, I want Pelosi to appoint Hillary Clinton for VP, because the right wing meltdown would be incredible.)
Good question, Mr. Muz, and one about which many books have been written and much blood has been shed. A couple of sentences to a generally uninterested group will have to suffice.
While such groups as Baptists underwent similar divisions when they came to these shores, the ones we see today are often, at root, functions of the split over slavery as Baptists, Methodists, etc. were torn apart during that sad period.
Lutherans went through some of the same experience but most of their differences came before the Civil War and over other issues. As Lutheranism spread into Northern Europe following Luther's (and others') break with Roman Catholicism, the beliefs took on the characteristics of the lands where the religion landed. So there's that--Swedes are different from Germans, as are Danes, Finns, etc. See Europe's many wars.
Then there's doctrine. Lutherans did a lot of writing (Luther, Melanchthon, etc. liked to write scholarly, and at times, scathing, statements.) These wriings were subject to different revisions and interpretations and these differences attracted or repelled others. The articles, altered and unaltered, became banners around which groups took their stands.
Then there were immigrants to N. America who formed little pockets of Germans, Swedes, Norwegians, etc. and who gradually over time developed their own differences along with those brought from the Old Country.
In other words, a fucking mess and they are still fighting those wars. The words of their putative leader, Jesus, about not judging and forgiving, and other words about being "one," were not deemed as important as whether one was a German of the stripe of C. F. W. Walther, followed the "unaltered Augsburg Confession," or went with "quia" or "quatenus" as you interpreted the creedal statements, ad infinitum.
It's nice to look at things from outside the silliness. The hackneyed phrase, "Like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic" comes to mind.
the amount of courage that it took to want to fight for your country, and to protect another country and their citizens who you didn't even know is remarkable. The most important thing we have to remember about the WW1 soldiers--on both sides--was they were fighting for for what they thought were honorable ideals, not just a "I hate those people because...." motive.
why are Lutherans so nutty they have to have 20 different interpretations? They are as bad as Calvinists. A man I used to work with was a part-time Baptist minister (maybe that's the not the correct phrase--lay minister? IDK)nicest guy. He would sometimes make jokes and try to be funny, and occasionally I would deadpan to him, "there are no funny Calvinists, Mark." Which he usually got a chuckle out of.
That's written on the wall of the men's bathroom in The Stud bar in Georgetown. So we've been told. Probably elsewhere, too.
I found that little belt you were looking for.
LOL, it really was more of a rhetorical question...are you a recovering Luth?
I grew up mainly in Methodist worship--that is, when we went to the grandparents, that's the church they went to (on both sides of the family)--and of course I understand that the mainline Protestant denominations all have a spectrum that ideas fall under--there was the Methodist Episcopal Church, which was the "middle", although it was the part that was closest to Church of England belief; Welsh Methodism, which incorporated Calvinism to a greater degree, and the other branches which covered the gamut--United Brethren, Free Methodists, etc.
I think in a few months a lot of Trumpers are going for the "I was never a Trumper/Nazi" Hail Mary Play. https://www.yahoo.com/news/...
Thing is, he might be telling the truth about not being a member of the party, but that doesn't excuse you from being a Death Camp guard
He owes billions
Let the Indictments begin.
That face didn't just happen naturally.
If he would FOAD first, it would save a lot of prune lives....
Harris/Duckworth is my dream 2020 ticket.
(If the fates are kind and we get a new president in 2019, I want Pelosi to appoint Hillary Clinton for VP, because the right wing meltdown would be incredible.)
Good question, Mr. Muz, and one about which many books have been written and much blood has been shed. A couple of sentences to a generally uninterested group will have to suffice.
While such groups as Baptists underwent similar divisions when they came to these shores, the ones we see today are often, at root, functions of the split over slavery as Baptists, Methodists, etc. were torn apart during that sad period.
Lutherans went through some of the same experience but most of their differences came before the Civil War and over other issues. As Lutheranism spread into Northern Europe following Luther's (and others') break with Roman Catholicism, the beliefs took on the characteristics of the lands where the religion landed. So there's that--Swedes are different from Germans, as are Danes, Finns, etc. See Europe's many wars.
Then there's doctrine. Lutherans did a lot of writing (Luther, Melanchthon, etc. liked to write scholarly, and at times, scathing, statements.) These wriings were subject to different revisions and interpretations and these differences attracted or repelled others. The articles, altered and unaltered, became banners around which groups took their stands.
Then there were immigrants to N. America who formed little pockets of Germans, Swedes, Norwegians, etc. and who gradually over time developed their own differences along with those brought from the Old Country.
In other words, a fucking mess and they are still fighting those wars. The words of their putative leader, Jesus, about not judging and forgiving, and other words about being "one," were not deemed as important as whether one was a German of the stripe of C. F. W. Walther, followed the "unaltered Augsburg Confession," or went with "quia" or "quatenus" as you interpreted the creedal statements, ad infinitum.
It's nice to look at things from outside the silliness. The hackneyed phrase, "Like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic" comes to mind.
ETTD
the amount of courage that it took to want to fight for your country, and to protect another country and their citizens who you didn't even know is remarkable. The most important thing we have to remember about the WW1 soldiers--on both sides--was they were fighting for for what they thought were honorable ideals, not just a "I hate those people because...." motive.
I would feed him to a fox
why are Lutherans so nutty they have to have 20 different interpretations? They are as bad as Calvinists. A man I used to work with was a part-time Baptist minister (maybe that's the not the correct phrase--lay minister? IDK)nicest guy. He would sometimes make jokes and try to be funny, and occasionally I would deadpan to him, "there are no funny Calvinists, Mark." Which he usually got a chuckle out of.
His ego took over his life, and now he, his family, his friends and his business associates are finally facing justice.
Marine one flew to Trump’s golf course a few weeks ago also too.