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Priceofcivilization's avatar

Worst confession you will hear today: I have family in SA and also in Zimbabwe. The family in Zimbabwe really are white farmers and really felt threatened by locals who wanted to take their land. Some moved to SA, some to Australia. After a few years about half of them decided to return to Zimbabwe because they missed its beauty so much. None, so far as I know, have been murdered. There's probably a lesson there, but I haven't figured out what it is yet. Maybe that the white people in Africa belong there as much as the white people in the US? That's better than thinking England should set up camps for white Americans in Boston and Virginia to help them prepare to move back to Manchester...

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Helen's avatar

I was very briefly in South Africa - as a barely teen in 1971. My parents were concerned about worsening economic conditions in the UK, and as my mother's brother lived in South Africa, they decided we would go to visit and maybe settle there.

It was like stepping back into the 50s. White girls in shirtwaister dresses with hats and white gloves. There was no television. My uncle was opposed to apartheid and had a small illegal printing press in the garage (they were later kicked out of the country). I remember my aunt saying her colored housekeeper was a very good worker who deserved more pay, but the law limited her wages, so my aunt could only give her clothes and groceries for her family. My older cousin talked about the compulsory military service he would have to do before he could go to college, and whether he should leave the country to avoid it.

The crowning absurdity was brought home when we visited a restaurant (I think it was a burger place? possibly a Wendyburger, but don't quote me. It was divided into two parts by a rail, whites on one side, with the tables well spread out and table napkins. The side for blacks and coloreds was more crowded and rather dirtier. But what will always stick in my mind was -

It was the same black chef who was cooking all of our meals!!! And the same Indian waitress who brought us all our meals!!! We were incredulous at the sheer hypocrisy of it.

Driving back to my uncle's place, my younger sister, a cute little 8 year old with blond curls, was very quiet and seemed to be thinking hard. Just before her bedtime, she suddenly announced, "I don't think the white people really think the black and brown people are stupid. I think they just want to pay them less money."

Next day my parents told us we would be going to New Zealand instead, for which I am eternally grateful. My little sister, BTW, went on to spend many years doing humanitarian work.

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Helen's avatar

Having read this over, I am now feeling uncomfortably aware the Aotearoa New Zealand once was inhabited by te Maori, until the pakeha (white people - of whom I am one) essentially stole their land and decimated the population by war and disease. Now the pakeha are in the majority and overall better off than te Maori, and English is the main language. I regret I was unaware of te Maori viewpoint until I gained a partner of biracial descent and started learning the language. So now I think I should not be quick to point a finger at the white South Africans. Their real offense seems to be that their blatant racism continued until much more recently, and they remained a minority of the population. It is far more easy and convenient to forget how I, as a pakeha, have benefitted from the exploitation of te Maori, and my culture is now the dominant one. Some reparations and restoration of land have been made, but I sometimes remember to ask myself how I would feel if my late partner's iwi (tribe) were to ask for the land which my house is on.

I feel it is - yes, that fatal phrase - white liberal guilt which makes me so ready to denounce the colonists of the past, and their descendants in other places today. ie I'm a hypocrite too.

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Carrie Deitzel's avatar

Isn’t Israel the developer of the most sought after, off the shelf, undetectable surveillance products available? Surprising, right? /s

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Hank Napkin's avatar

I am delighted to be living in this post-racist world!

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Zyxomma's avatar

The only white South African I've ever known was the captain of the boat on which I learned to sail. He loved Black people (which was a plus, considering we were sailing the waters of St. Vincent and the Grenadines, and there aren't many white people there).

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Goldfish's avatar

Isn't this then...a DEI initiarive?

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Mommadillo's avatar

If you ask me, Black South Africans are damn well entitled to discriminate against the white minority and confiscate their stuff. How do you think the white people got the stuff in the first place? Payback is a real bear, huh?

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Bill's avatar

Whites created a civilization in a mainly unpopulated part of Africa and niggers showed up looking for work or handouts.

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Mommadillo's avatar

See? This is what happens when you don’t teach history the way it really happened. Inbred mouth-breathers start getting ideas and thinking they’re better than other people when they’re actually an evolutionary step backwards.

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Bill's avatar

The teaching of history in schools is just programming of propaganda. I looked into it online myself. I made no claims of being better than other people. Better at what? Better than what people? I just made it clear that White people created the country of South Africa. Some claim that nigger beasts built the country. That foolish claim is made by some morons in regard to the United States too.

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Mommadillo's avatar

White people definitely created something. I’m just not certain it’s anything to be proud of.

So you don’t think yourself better than these “beasts” you keep bringing up?

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Bill's avatar
Apr 5Edited

White people created the most advanced civilization in Africa and the wealthiest country with the highest living standards, though being around savage beasts is not high standard living by my standards. The Negroids in SA had the highest standard of living in all of Africa. Being infected with Christ-insanity the Whites let beasts in the gates early on and became dependent on them for labor.

It was just a matter of time before the people let their perverse preachers talk them into turning the country over to savage vile beasts. Then the highest standard of living in Africa went to the people of Libya until the Jewnited States Of Israel and it's allies destroyed Libya via NATO and had it's great leader Col. Kaddafi tortured and murdered on the streets..

Better than the beasts in what regard? Certainly I am better in some ways and worse in others. I don't want to be near them. They are generally loud, obnoxious, classless, stupid, have low levels of self control and are prone to senseless violence and rampant criminality.

The people that created SA could be proud of that. Those that turned it over to Negroid beasts should be ashamed. All of them are a disgrace for refusing to reject vile perverse alien suicidal Christ-insanity.

https://x.com/LucasGageX/status/1908522697178366437

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ames's avatar
Apr 3Edited

If you want to be really depressed and get a better sense of how closely Trump's administration is linked to and supporting international white terrorism in general and South African white terrorism specifically, listen to the Weird Little Guys podcast from March 12 of this year forward.

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Kenneth L Gallaher's avatar

Importing racists - wonderful

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Mexfiles's avatar

At the end of the Boer War the British had "enemy combatant" afrikanners that it wouldn't allow back which the US assisted in resettling... in Mexico. It was a weird story (I wrote about it years ago here (https://mexfiles.net/2010/03/30/out-of-africa-via-teddy-roosevelt-a-circus-and-francisco-i-madero/). It was the heyday of eugenics, but whatever the thinking was at the time, they just ended up as Mexicans with odd surnames... though most moved again to Arizona (of course).

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Andy Reed's avatar

I hope the South African government passes a law stating that any white Afrikaaner -- ALL of whom are descendants of unwanted and uninvited foreign invaders -- who applies for US "refugee status" or citizenship or other entry visa will immediately have his land and all other property confiscated for redistribution to needy S. African patriots. Especially Black (i.e. actual African) people.

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Cincinnatus's avatar

From Slate (Molly Olmstead): "As ever with Trump, it’s hard to determine how much he really knows and cares about the particular issue of “white genocide” in South Africa. This formerly fringe white supremacist talking point certainly has enough prominent promoters in his circle for him to be exposed to it. Regardless, the decision to prioritize Afrikaner refugees for admission to the United States is, at minimum, a way for Trump and Musk to assault the validity of the entire South African government on behalf of their political and business aims.

It’s hard to ignore a dark fact about all of this: One of the most central talking points for white supremacists for decades has become a useful rhetorical tool for the president of the United States. Or, as Jessie Daniels, a sociology professor at Hunter College at the City University of New York who studies internet racism, said: “What we’re witnessing is a kind of befouling the public sphere with white supremacist ideology.”" https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/04/trump-musk-south-africa-white-genocide-refugees.html

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SethTriggs's avatar

Remember, reality is whatever is allowed to be transmitted/processed through the rightwing media human centipede. This is going to end up as more racist fanfiction voters will gleefully consume on the way to giving the unreconstructed Republican party power. But we have to outnumber said voters at the polls wherever possible.

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"M"'s avatar

Hadn't we already established that they already told Donald and Elongated Muskrat that they don't want to come ...?

I thought we'd settled this already

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Priceofcivilization's avatar

the felon and the elon (or the fElon, for short)

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SethTriggs's avatar

Reality is for Democrats!

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"M"'s avatar

I feel like I don't often get a chance to offer you a treat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iGEE-CjFiE

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SethTriggs's avatar

Also wow Andrew Gillum is on that podcast? Glad he’s doing OK!

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oscarphile's avatar

Does SAfrica have health care?

Good luck persuading even the whitest supremacist to give up their system for ours

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HarryButtle, degenerate artist's avatar

"The government officials have been directed to focus particularly on screening white Afrikaner farmers."

Oh, so now it's OK to used race-based quotas? I thought the Shtigibbon did away with all of that DEI shit.

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"M"'s avatar

Your daily reminder that Donald is and has always been an inveterate liar and a sociopath

https://open.substack.com/live-stream/19813?utm_source=activity_item

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