Speaking of vaccines. About two weeks ago, the Health Department had a guy going down my street with a bullhorn announcing free rabies vaccines for your pets. This week, two health dept workers came to the door to check on whether or not anyone in the building needed a measles booster... then again, I live in Mexico City, not gringolandia.
WTF is wrong with people?? In reality, doesn't all medicine interfere with Nature's Way and God's will? Doesn't it all have unwanted side effect? Why stop with vaccines?? The next time you cut your finger just rub some dirt on it and pick up your Bible!! If you are a Righteous Servant of the Lord, He will protect you from infection!!
This division exists only because religion refuses to relinquish it's stranglehold on people and the resultant power that brings. Mix that with politica and you have a nearly unstoppable force. Religion is just primitive science Man's way of trying to explain the world around him. There are some religious people, the Jesuits for example, who promote the idea that the two can coexist in a mutually beneficial way, to the great benefit of humanity So far these efforts have not been all that successful
A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. Bobby Jr is the worst case of a bad example!!.
First, actually getting a disease and surviving it can give you a superior immune response than just having gotten the vaccine. However,some of these diseases are serious and have a significantly high mortality rate. Additionally,the mortality rate for some "childhood" diseases is higher in adults than children. I know from personal experience. I was around before the vaccines. I survived mumps, measles, and chicken pox all of which were awful experiences and I nearly died from measles The Priest was called to administer the Last Rites,, but I somehow rallied the next day and recovered. I had a classmate who wasn't so lucky and passed away at the ripe old age of 8. I got the mumps and recovered in a week. My Father caught them from me and had to be hospitalized for two weeks, and it took him two months after that to fully recover,sort of. My brother likes to remind me occasionally that I almost killed Dad. Long story short, opting to catch the disease instead of getting vaccinated is NOT a good plan.
Back when I was a GA, one of the professors in our department made the poor choice of saying something out loud that we knew to perhaps be factually true but never mentioned in public.
"Childhood Diseases" may be natures way of culling the herd. Insuring that weaker individuals die before reaching reproductive age. He in no way believed that should become a preferred practice, Rather, he was just presenting a possibility, an off the cuff opinion on how these disease may fit into the grand scheme of evolution. Nevertheless, he was called up for disciplinary action, nearly lost his job and was the object of much ridicule and public scorn.
Wars and famines also cull the herd. It’s interesting that the people who say stuff like this never imagine themselves and their loved ones (if they actually love beyond themselves) as being among the culled.
Of course not. As I mentioned this guy was in no way a Eugenicist, but just mentioned it in a 100 level biology class as a way of pointing out that Nature can often be a cruel Mistress. Another thing I find absurd, annoying and irksome. Why is it that many of the people promoting "White Supremacy" appear themselves to be such inferior "specimens" A balding, spindly legged and armed dude with thick glasses and a pot belly doesn't do much for the premise that Northern Europeans are somehow superior
Exactly. I once covered a Klan and neo-nazi protest in Galveston Texas over the opening of a gay friendly beach motel... I was kinda taken aback to see the nazis were even worse physical specimens than the hoodheads. To me, yhr looked like people who hadn't been properly fed when they were growing up. What made it amusing was that a couple WWII veterans (this was several years ago) well into their 70s or 80s and sassy Hispanic girls came out to counterprotest, and were part of a much, much healthier looking crowd. As to the hoodheads, just fat, lazy and stupid, as you'd expect.
Oh yes I understand. And the bad actors make it harder for people like your professor to have a honest conversation—Nature *is* a cruel mistress, and that’s why clear-eyed people do their damndest to come up with ideas (like vaccines) that protect us, because none of us know when it will be us that need the protection!
The worst downside of rapid communication and the internet...
It used to be that kooks promoting their crackpot theories were relegated to screaming at disinterested passersby on street corners until the cops chased them off. Now that same kook with the same crackpot theory can hop on the net, even start a podcast, and nearly instantly have a loyal following of thousands of likeminded or easily duped people.
That statement from the AMA is all well and good, but it is preaching to the choir. It needs to be more like this to have an effect on the people who need to see it:
“These politicians and “influencers” are telling you vaccines are unsafe. Do you know why? It’s not that they have any medical evidence or studies or really anything except random comments on Facebook to back up their statements. No, it’s one of two reasons: either they are stupid, they fully believe the bullshit they are saying, and they think you are stupid too so you’ll go along with them. Or they are saying it to gain power, to raise their profile on social media, and they think you are stupid enough to “like and share” their bullshit. You aren’t stupid, and you don’t want your kids to suffer. Tell them to fuck off into the sun.”
Are vaccines 100% guaranteed safe and effective? Of course not, there are some individuals who have experienced unpleasant, even very rare fatal reactions However the side effects of catching the diseases they can prevent are a whole hell of a lot worse, and are pretty much guaranteed!
Are baby toys 100% safe and effective? No, many children are injured or killed by toys every year.
Are car seats 100% safe and effective? No, many children are injured or killed while in car seats every year.
Is feeding your kids prepared foods 100% safe and effective? No, many children suffer from excess calories, malnutrition and establishing a lifelong pattern of poor food choices every year.
So if we love our children we should definitely ban all those things… 🙄
A lot of things about this piss me off, but what pisses me off the MOST is that I know it's about racism. This anti vaccine bullshit is being pushed because they know that it will hit communities of color harder than white communities.
Our nation's medical care has always hovered just above many poorer nations. With more money spent and fewer people helped. I survived measles pre-vaccine in the 50s and was lucky to get a swig of Sabin's oral polio treatment. Vividly remember how bitter it was.
Classes should be taught on what happens to people who don't get their vaccines and who do get the disease, with all the gruesome photos and horror stories. That should be the motivation for people to get their kids and themselves vaccinated.
"In the United States, we do not have that and many parents have to go right back to work the day after giving birth or risk not even being able to feed the child."
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I have to keep blinders on a great deal more of the time than I might prefer, in order to keep getting up every morning and continuing to function, but sometimes I read something like this and idly wonder what it would be like to live in a country that doesn't actively hate its citizens.
Ahh, scarlet fever. (in the pic above, one kid has smallpox, the other scarlet fever) Not vaccine preventable, sadly, though timely antibiotics take care of it. I don't remember much about it, just waking up with a sore throat and not being able to hear myself call for my mom. I thought it was laryngitis (though I didn't know the word) Turns out I permanently lost 50% of my hearing, and I suspect I wasn't hearing much out of my good ear that night, either, for all that it's fine now (In my parents' defense, Dad was in the middle of chemo and my sister and I were little, so my parents were exhausted. Plus, I tended to downplay symptoms, so while they knew i was sick, they didn't realize it was strep throat going bad rather than an ordinary cold.)
Mr Demi is blind because his mother caught rubella while she was expecting him. We're children of the late 1970s, not 1870s. These idiots have never woken up without something they had when they went to sleep or gazed into their baby's eyes and seen cataracts or listen as doctors explain there was a complication to the cataract surgery on their infant. All because of a couple once-common childhood diseases.
I've posted this here before many times. My grandmother lost 3 children to diphtheria in 1906 (eldest child age 4 and newborn twins) and lost 2 more to Spanish Flu in 1919 (6 yr & 2yr old) and lost 1 (almost 2) to Scarlet Fever in 1920 (the almost was my mother, who recovered).
Imagine losing 6 babies to infectious diseases. That was not unusual in the days before vaccines and antibiotics.
My father's younger brother died in 1920 of scarlet fever. He and his siblings remember being quarantined, and the coffin being carried to the cemetery in an old hearse that could be burned afterwards... they took communicable diseases seriously back then.
I'm sorry to hear about your uncle. During the Spanish Flu epidemic of early 1919 the local authorities stuck a huge poster on her front door saying QUARANTINE and my illiterate Italian immigrant grandmother thought they were saying she had a dirty house, so every day she would furiously rip the sign down, and the next day they would put it back up.
When they lost those 2 babies to the flu they couldn't afford to bury them both. It cost $10 per child. They had to borrow money from the parish priest and relatives to bury them. My mother was 4 and remembered seeing 2 little white coffins in the front parlor. They actually ran out of coffins in many towns during that epidemic.
I’ve often thought we were fortunate to be one of the first generations of women not to be devastated by PTSD by middle age from losing so many of our children. I don’t know how they coped.
Mostly they coped because they had no other choice. My grandma had 14 children so she was constantly pregnant, plus a coal miner husband who expected sex every night no matter what (and the Catholic Church told her it was a sin to refuse him), plus 2 male boarders to cook and do laundry for, and no indoor plumbing or electricity. Her work never ended and the whole household depended on her, so I guess she just found a way to cope. She prayed a lot, or so I am told. But then she got cancer and died in 1944 at age 56. So much for the power of prayer.
What bothers me the most is that not once during my grandmother's entire life was she given any choices. She had no power to determine her own destiny. She couldn't vote, either.
Speaking of vaccines. About two weeks ago, the Health Department had a guy going down my street with a bullhorn announcing free rabies vaccines for your pets. This week, two health dept workers came to the door to check on whether or not anyone in the building needed a measles booster... then again, I live in Mexico City, not gringolandia.
WTF is wrong with people?? In reality, doesn't all medicine interfere with Nature's Way and God's will? Doesn't it all have unwanted side effect? Why stop with vaccines?? The next time you cut your finger just rub some dirt on it and pick up your Bible!! If you are a Righteous Servant of the Lord, He will protect you from infection!!
Religion has been jealous at how thoroughly science is kicking its ass at actually fixing the problems that give rise to fear and therefore faith.
We need to bring back mortal fear to get us back into church, listening to them? I guess?
This division exists only because religion refuses to relinquish it's stranglehold on people and the resultant power that brings. Mix that with politica and you have a nearly unstoppable force. Religion is just primitive science Man's way of trying to explain the world around him. There are some religious people, the Jesuits for example, who promote the idea that the two can coexist in a mutually beneficial way, to the great benefit of humanity So far these efforts have not been all that successful
"I demand my Constitutional Right" to contract and spread contagious diseases" anonymous RW asshat
Pathogens everywhere support this opinion!
A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. Bobby Jr is the worst case of a bad example!!.
First, actually getting a disease and surviving it can give you a superior immune response than just having gotten the vaccine. However,some of these diseases are serious and have a significantly high mortality rate. Additionally,the mortality rate for some "childhood" diseases is higher in adults than children. I know from personal experience. I was around before the vaccines. I survived mumps, measles, and chicken pox all of which were awful experiences and I nearly died from measles The Priest was called to administer the Last Rites,, but I somehow rallied the next day and recovered. I had a classmate who wasn't so lucky and passed away at the ripe old age of 8. I got the mumps and recovered in a week. My Father caught them from me and had to be hospitalized for two weeks, and it took him two months after that to fully recover,sort of. My brother likes to remind me occasionally that I almost killed Dad. Long story short, opting to catch the disease instead of getting vaccinated is NOT a good plan.
Back when I was a GA, one of the professors in our department made the poor choice of saying something out loud that we knew to perhaps be factually true but never mentioned in public.
"Childhood Diseases" may be natures way of culling the herd. Insuring that weaker individuals die before reaching reproductive age. He in no way believed that should become a preferred practice, Rather, he was just presenting a possibility, an off the cuff opinion on how these disease may fit into the grand scheme of evolution. Nevertheless, he was called up for disciplinary action, nearly lost his job and was the object of much ridicule and public scorn.
Wars and famines also cull the herd. It’s interesting that the people who say stuff like this never imagine themselves and their loved ones (if they actually love beyond themselves) as being among the culled.
Of course not. As I mentioned this guy was in no way a Eugenicist, but just mentioned it in a 100 level biology class as a way of pointing out that Nature can often be a cruel Mistress. Another thing I find absurd, annoying and irksome. Why is it that many of the people promoting "White Supremacy" appear themselves to be such inferior "specimens" A balding, spindly legged and armed dude with thick glasses and a pot belly doesn't do much for the premise that Northern Europeans are somehow superior
Exactly. I once covered a Klan and neo-nazi protest in Galveston Texas over the opening of a gay friendly beach motel... I was kinda taken aback to see the nazis were even worse physical specimens than the hoodheads. To me, yhr looked like people who hadn't been properly fed when they were growing up. What made it amusing was that a couple WWII veterans (this was several years ago) well into their 70s or 80s and sassy Hispanic girls came out to counterprotest, and were part of a much, much healthier looking crowd. As to the hoodheads, just fat, lazy and stupid, as you'd expect.
Oh yes I understand. And the bad actors make it harder for people like your professor to have a honest conversation—Nature *is* a cruel mistress, and that’s why clear-eyed people do their damndest to come up with ideas (like vaccines) that protect us, because none of us know when it will be us that need the protection!
The worst downside of rapid communication and the internet...
It used to be that kooks promoting their crackpot theories were relegated to screaming at disinterested passersby on street corners until the cops chased them off. Now that same kook with the same crackpot theory can hop on the net, even start a podcast, and nearly instantly have a loyal following of thousands of likeminded or easily duped people.
That statement from the AMA is all well and good, but it is preaching to the choir. It needs to be more like this to have an effect on the people who need to see it:
“These politicians and “influencers” are telling you vaccines are unsafe. Do you know why? It’s not that they have any medical evidence or studies or really anything except random comments on Facebook to back up their statements. No, it’s one of two reasons: either they are stupid, they fully believe the bullshit they are saying, and they think you are stupid too so you’ll go along with them. Or they are saying it to gain power, to raise their profile on social media, and they think you are stupid enough to “like and share” their bullshit. You aren’t stupid, and you don’t want your kids to suffer. Tell them to fuck off into the sun.”
Are vaccines 100% guaranteed safe and effective? Of course not, there are some individuals who have experienced unpleasant, even very rare fatal reactions However the side effects of catching the diseases they can prevent are a whole hell of a lot worse, and are pretty much guaranteed!
Are baby toys 100% safe and effective? No, many children are injured or killed by toys every year.
Are car seats 100% safe and effective? No, many children are injured or killed while in car seats every year.
Is feeding your kids prepared foods 100% safe and effective? No, many children suffer from excess calories, malnutrition and establishing a lifelong pattern of poor food choices every year.
So if we love our children we should definitely ban all those things… 🙄
Protect your brain’s bandwidth. Don’t expose it to crap.
A lot of things about this piss me off, but what pisses me off the MOST is that I know it's about racism. This anti vaccine bullshit is being pushed because they know that it will hit communities of color harder than white communities.
Our nation's medical care has always hovered just above many poorer nations. With more money spent and fewer people helped. I survived measles pre-vaccine in the 50s and was lucky to get a swig of Sabin's oral polio treatment. Vividly remember how bitter it was.
Classes should be taught on what happens to people who don't get their vaccines and who do get the disease, with all the gruesome photos and horror stories. That should be the motivation for people to get their kids and themselves vaccinated.
I'm still convinced that these people are actively trying to murder us. I would add the 'prove me wrong' shit, but I'm not dead Charlie Kirk.
I think RFK Jr. is a sadist who truly hates children.
Another reason to be glad I just retired from teaching.
I subbed for a few years. You're a hero.
"In the United States, we do not have that and many parents have to go right back to work the day after giving birth or risk not even being able to feed the child."
`
I have to keep blinders on a great deal more of the time than I might prefer, in order to keep getting up every morning and continuing to function, but sometimes I read something like this and idly wonder what it would be like to live in a country that doesn't actively hate its citizens.
Ugh. That is too spot on.
Ahh, scarlet fever. (in the pic above, one kid has smallpox, the other scarlet fever) Not vaccine preventable, sadly, though timely antibiotics take care of it. I don't remember much about it, just waking up with a sore throat and not being able to hear myself call for my mom. I thought it was laryngitis (though I didn't know the word) Turns out I permanently lost 50% of my hearing, and I suspect I wasn't hearing much out of my good ear that night, either, for all that it's fine now (In my parents' defense, Dad was in the middle of chemo and my sister and I were little, so my parents were exhausted. Plus, I tended to downplay symptoms, so while they knew i was sick, they didn't realize it was strep throat going bad rather than an ordinary cold.)
Mr Demi is blind because his mother caught rubella while she was expecting him. We're children of the late 1970s, not 1870s. These idiots have never woken up without something they had when they went to sleep or gazed into their baby's eyes and seen cataracts or listen as doctors explain there was a complication to the cataract surgery on their infant. All because of a couple once-common childhood diseases.
Classic. Cherry picking studies to get one that however flawed or irrelevant works for RFK JR.
Well, he should have gone to prison for life after killing all those kids in Samoa.
The US continues to commit suicide.
Murder. The victims aren't always volunteers.
I've posted this here before many times. My grandmother lost 3 children to diphtheria in 1906 (eldest child age 4 and newborn twins) and lost 2 more to Spanish Flu in 1919 (6 yr & 2yr old) and lost 1 (almost 2) to Scarlet Fever in 1920 (the almost was my mother, who recovered).
Imagine losing 6 babies to infectious diseases. That was not unusual in the days before vaccines and antibiotics.
My father's younger brother died in 1920 of scarlet fever. He and his siblings remember being quarantined, and the coffin being carried to the cemetery in an old hearse that could be burned afterwards... they took communicable diseases seriously back then.
I'm sorry to hear about your uncle. During the Spanish Flu epidemic of early 1919 the local authorities stuck a huge poster on her front door saying QUARANTINE and my illiterate Italian immigrant grandmother thought they were saying she had a dirty house, so every day she would furiously rip the sign down, and the next day they would put it back up.
When they lost those 2 babies to the flu they couldn't afford to bury them both. It cost $10 per child. They had to borrow money from the parish priest and relatives to bury them. My mother was 4 and remembered seeing 2 little white coffins in the front parlor. They actually ran out of coffins in many towns during that epidemic.
I’ve often thought we were fortunate to be one of the first generations of women not to be devastated by PTSD by middle age from losing so many of our children. I don’t know how they coped.
Mostly they coped because they had no other choice. My grandma had 14 children so she was constantly pregnant, plus a coal miner husband who expected sex every night no matter what (and the Catholic Church told her it was a sin to refuse him), plus 2 male boarders to cook and do laundry for, and no indoor plumbing or electricity. Her work never ended and the whole household depended on her, so I guess she just found a way to cope. She prayed a lot, or so I am told. But then she got cancer and died in 1944 at age 56. So much for the power of prayer.
My heart aches for this woman. The women who changed our fates are superheroes, each and every one.
What bothers me the most is that not once during my grandmother's entire life was she given any choices. She had no power to determine her own destiny. She couldn't vote, either.
If you don't get your kids vaccinated, you go to jail and get your kids taken away from you. That's how it has to be.
But where do we put the kids? The foster care system is a joke where I live.