Buncha whiny crybabies over at WaPo saying it’s nothing, but I agree with Robyn, it’s a whole lot better than nothing, which is what we’ve had for 30+ years. It’s a start.
Here in TTSKoA we have an even more extreme gunfucker group than the NRA that has blocked any attempt to set up a red flag law, and has promised to do it again...
I think this is worse than no bill. I do agree that more mental health funding is good, but, yes, tying it to a gun bill is awful. More importantly, it will do exactly nothing to stop the next mass shooting, but will give the Democratic leadership another opportunity to make Republicans look normal and bi-partisan when what the Democrats need to be doing is highlighting the insanity of the Republicans going into November.
Oh, and it still hasn't passed, so let's stop talking like it is a done deal. There are plenty of opportunities for this to either not pass at all or to be watered down even further.
"...it doesn't make you a hypocrite if you think it's okay for the government to incarcerate someone to prevent them from killing themselves".
It certainly doesn't! Decent people want competent adults to have bodily autonomy. It's taken for granted that some people can't have full bodily autonomy because they don't have the cognitive processes to handle it.
A toddler can't be left to eat nothing but icecream. A 14-year old can't legally consent to sex. An elderly person with severe dementia can't refuse to have their broken hip treated. Because none of these people understand the likely long-term consequences of their choices.
Thoughts of self harm are, literally by definition, proof of major problems with how you're thinking. Some people retain enough awareness to realise they need to ask for help. Others don't - not because they've made an informed decision, but because they're TOO UNWELL to make an informed decision. A person considering suicide needs help - and if that helps has to be involuntary, so be it.
I've never required involuntary hospitalisation, but I've sure as hell dealt with thoughts of just...not being alive anymore. Anyone who wants to use that as a "Gotcha!" against abortion access is a depraved piece of shit and can go fuck themselves.
It's absolute garbage. It does nothing for red flag laws but "fund" states that want to do them.
So, great. Massachusetts passes red flag laws. The border is open with backwards lolbertarian hellhole New Hampshit, aka North Alabama, which is about to pass a law saying they will not comply with any new federal gun laws, and they've said they will never have red flag laws.
There's hundreds of schools in Massachusetts just over the border with it. Boston is half an hour from its border.
So, reich wing hate group nutballs with Hitler haircuts living in New Hampshit, no red flag laws, can buy and amass assault weapons, extended magazines, drum magazines, and endless ammo cash, no questions asked, they even sell it at flea markets there as private sales.
They can drive five minutes and massacre every kid in a Massachusetts school or go into Boston and attack a museum or a Pride march. And they will.
Same for the northeast. The biggest employer in New Hampshit after Wal-Mart is Sig-Sauer. They will not have red flag laws or any gun laws at all. It's the free for all gun store of the northeast. People will live there or buy their guns there and then go shoot up Massachusetts schools or parades.
Buncha whiny crybabies over at WaPo saying it’s nothing, but I agree with Robyn, it’s a whole lot better than nothing, which is what we’ve had for 30+ years. It’s a start.
They'll gut funding for everything.
Here in TTSKoA we have an even more extreme gunfucker group than the NRA that has blocked any attempt to set up a red flag law, and has promised to do it again...
https://www.kawc.org/2022-0...
We're about two years and hundred dead kids away from the Republicans demanding that all schoolchildren be armed to resist bad guys with guns...
A day of training? Aside from the stupidity of arming teachers as a solution: One? Day?
Nope, just non-commented.
Headline implied double jeopardy.
Word.
Agreed. It’s pathetic.
Exactly.
I think this is worse than no bill. I do agree that more mental health funding is good, but, yes, tying it to a gun bill is awful. More importantly, it will do exactly nothing to stop the next mass shooting, but will give the Democratic leadership another opportunity to make Republicans look normal and bi-partisan when what the Democrats need to be doing is highlighting the insanity of the Republicans going into November.
Oh, and it still hasn't passed, so let's stop talking like it is a done deal. There are plenty of opportunities for this to either not pass at all or to be watered down even further.
"...it doesn't make you a hypocrite if you think it's okay for the government to incarcerate someone to prevent them from killing themselves".
It certainly doesn't! Decent people want competent adults to have bodily autonomy. It's taken for granted that some people can't have full bodily autonomy because they don't have the cognitive processes to handle it.
A toddler can't be left to eat nothing but icecream. A 14-year old can't legally consent to sex. An elderly person with severe dementia can't refuse to have their broken hip treated. Because none of these people understand the likely long-term consequences of their choices.
Thoughts of self harm are, literally by definition, proof of major problems with how you're thinking. Some people retain enough awareness to realise they need to ask for help. Others don't - not because they've made an informed decision, but because they're TOO UNWELL to make an informed decision. A person considering suicide needs help - and if that helps has to be involuntary, so be it.
I've never required involuntary hospitalisation, but I've sure as hell dealt with thoughts of just...not being alive anymore. Anyone who wants to use that as a "Gotcha!" against abortion access is a depraved piece of shit and can go fuck themselves.
I'm ok, btw. ❤️.
It's absolute garbage. It does nothing for red flag laws but "fund" states that want to do them.
So, great. Massachusetts passes red flag laws. The border is open with backwards lolbertarian hellhole New Hampshit, aka North Alabama, which is about to pass a law saying they will not comply with any new federal gun laws, and they've said they will never have red flag laws.
There's hundreds of schools in Massachusetts just over the border with it. Boston is half an hour from its border.
So, reich wing hate group nutballs with Hitler haircuts living in New Hampshit, no red flag laws, can buy and amass assault weapons, extended magazines, drum magazines, and endless ammo cash, no questions asked, they even sell it at flea markets there as private sales.
They can drive five minutes and massacre every kid in a Massachusetts school or go into Boston and attack a museum or a Pride march. And they will.
That's why this is USELESS.
it's nothing. See my comment above for why it's nothing.
They trust them with guns but not books.
Same for the northeast. The biggest employer in New Hampshit after Wal-Mart is Sig-Sauer. They will not have red flag laws or any gun laws at all. It's the free for all gun store of the northeast. People will live there or buy their guns there and then go shoot up Massachusetts schools or parades.