The long-awaited "debate" between Secular Inquisitionist Bill Nye and Creationist Grifter Ken Ham is set for 7 p.m. Eastern tonight at Kentucky's Creation Museum, and will be livestreamed at a couple of locations, including a Cleveland Cincinnatiteevee station
Yes dear Wonketeers, I should have clarified what kind of books creationist-engineeers might be quoting from. I'm sure when you quote from old books you are 1) capable of distinguishing between fiction and non- fiction and 2) you do not use works of fiction to explain the creation of the universe. Unless you're quoting from The Hitch-hikers Guide books in which case, please carry on.
Please to below reply to Suspected Democrat. Also you don't quote from old books that originate from oral history to design & building things, not even theories, do you? If you do then engineering doesn't work the way I thought it did and I will look at bridges more closley in the future. Also my digital appliances. Sorry, too lazy to link to the piece about hacking kitchen appliances.
So, without having watched it (because I pretty much know what each guy is gonna say), I will differ slightly from Dawkins. It is undoubtedly true that most fundies will NEVER be persuaded by the science guy, and that they will automatically trumpet that this "debate" was a big win for their side.
On the other hand, (1) if there is any such thing as a person undecided between dogma and science, that person is likely to have been nudged towards science; and (2) there is a chance that some intelligent fundies might get something to think about.
Changing minds is a slow process, requiring far more patience than I have. But, except for violent conflict, changing minds is the only way to go.
Ham: "If it's all over when you die, what's the point of discovery?" The knowledge lives on, you ineffable nitwit. Until we kill off our whole species, of course.
This is the fourth or fith time Ham has claimed "the laws of logic" are a Christian discovery. Say what? Probably thinks "Barbara Celarent Darii" means "Barbara hides the salami".
Reading all these comments I am baffled by how either stupid or crafty is Ham person is. Logic:early man: fire= ow ergo do not stick hand in fire, put ham in fire instead. Historical record: written documents, like say the Constitution or anyone's autobiography ever. (with some room for fluffing for vanity's sake) Noah's ark: how did all the millions of insects, many recently discovered and fungi get collected and stored. I forget, how where plants saved? Did they just float to the top of the water or something? And no carnivore ate anything living while on this divine cruise ship? Does Christian righteous make lions prefer salad? Does being blessed by god make a bunch of animals constipated for 40 days ? Dumbest fucking myth ever to base an arguement on. Except maybe the Hindu one with the turtles and the sea of milk, but I've never seen that one trotted out as actually happening.
Yes dear Wonketeers, I should have clarified what kind of books creationist-engineeers might be quoting from. I'm sure when you quote from old books you are 1) capable of distinguishing between fiction and non- fiction and 2) you do not use works of fiction to explain the creation of the universe. Unless you're quoting from The Hitch-hikers Guide books in which case, please carry on.
Please to below reply to Suspected Democrat. Also you don't quote from old books that originate from oral history to design & building things, not even theories, do you? If you do then engineering doesn't work the way I thought it did and I will look at bridges more closley in the future. Also my digital appliances. Sorry, too lazy to link to the piece about hacking kitchen appliances.
Genesis I and Genesis II are as different as chalk and cheese, in both the Bible and the band.
Oh, for crying out loud. I've spent this whole thread repeating somebody else's comments less cogently.
Yup.
Yup.
No, some of your really crucial atoms weren't created until the first stars exploded, well after the creation of the universe. Feel peppier.
Actually, I like that. I also like CE = "Common Era", but I'm a pinko.
So, without having watched it (because I pretty much know what each guy is gonna say), I will differ slightly from Dawkins. It is undoubtedly true that most fundies will NEVER be persuaded by the science guy, and that they will automatically trumpet that this "debate" was a big win for their side.
On the other hand, (1) if there is any such thing as a person undecided between dogma and science, that person is likely to have been nudged towards science; and (2) there is a chance that some intelligent fundies might get something to think about.
Changing minds is a slow process, requiring far more patience than I have. But, except for violent conflict, changing minds is the only way to go.
Only everything you see in the MRI.
The mod is one of the CNN "journalists."
Ham: "If it's all over when you die, what's the point of discovery?" The knowledge lives on, you ineffable nitwit. Until we kill off our whole species, of course.
Me too. I'm going to have to replay it later. :(
Cuz Chris Hemsworth is hawt?
Ganesha
This is the fourth or fith time Ham has claimed "the laws of logic" are a Christian discovery. Say what? Probably thinks "Barbara Celarent Darii" means "Barbara hides the salami".
Reading all these comments I am baffled by how either stupid or crafty is Ham person is. Logic:early man: fire= ow ergo do not stick hand in fire, put ham in fire instead. Historical record: written documents, like say the Constitution or anyone's autobiography ever. (with some room for fluffing for vanity's sake) Noah's ark: how did all the millions of insects, many recently discovered and fungi get collected and stored. I forget, how where plants saved? Did they just float to the top of the water or something? And no carnivore ate anything living while on this divine cruise ship? Does Christian righteous make lions prefer salad? Does being blessed by god make a bunch of animals constipated for 40 days ? Dumbest fucking myth ever to base an arguement on. Except maybe the Hindu one with the turtles and the sea of milk, but I've never seen that one trotted out as actually happening.