Must been the 80's, while US was having a talk with in-coming folks about how to be a good American. He seems to think that was a good and decent time of immigration. I wonder when Usha's parents came here.
Why aren't we relabeling the republican party as the cess pool party or the mental prison party? They have such angry, ugly, violent fantasy minds, many of them.
Germans were immigrating here from very early. Apparently there was talk of making German an official language of the country back in the constitutional times. Didn't the biggest wave of Irish come in the 1840s, with the famine and the coffin ships? Italians, along with Slavs, Scandihoovians, and Jews were 1880s and 1890s, and the peoples against whom we closed the open door. So we are confusing three different times here. Fucking mush for brains Eli...
Interesting. Could be true, I have no idea. Sutter came over and set himself up somehow. I don’t know if he started with seed money or bootstrapped himself. Swiss, but I’m willing to be vague about that. The Donners were German, and had done well for themselves in the states, but again, I don’t know what their stakes were.
Yeah, I don’t seem to have much of a frame of reference for German immigration to North America.
German was I think the 3rd or 4th most spoken language in Texas around the turn of the 20th century. The data may have been English Czech German Spanish Polish, I don't recall exactly. But during WWI, a great many people changed their names to more Anglicanized versions. (Also: not far from where I live is Fredericksburg, Texas, in which when I was a boy you could still hear some German spoken.)
I went through in the early oughts, and there was a bilingual menu in the restaurant we stopped at. Yeah, at one time, Mexico was getting everyone it could from Europe into Texas in a bid to keep USAian pro-slavery types in to hold the territory. We ended up with Mexican polkas, which is some sort of silver lining.
I cannot figure out J.D. Vance, and maybe I should offer thanks to Ogma and Hecate for that, but it does occur to me that possibly he thinks these rotten ethnic slurs make him a kindred spirit with James Bond, which he may well consider a plus mark, Bond being an iconic figure of fantasy machismo. After all, in the novels, he pretty much despised anybody who wasn't WASP and English. When Tiger Tanaka fulminated against American dominance of Japan since WW2, and badmouthed American culture, Bond protested that this was "rough stuff" and that he had a lot of American friends who didn't equate with what Tiger was saying. He allowed that Tiger wasn't talking about "real" Americans, but presumably about second- and third-generation Poles, Italians and Irish who by rights should be digging potatoes in their countries of origin. (Note that second- and even third-generation citizenship in the U.S. doesn't make a person American.)
Mark you, in an auctorial aside, the writer does note that "Mr. Tanaka had been born in a Year of the Tiger, whereas Bond, as Tiger took much pleasure in telling him, had been born in a Year of the Rat."
ah the good old days around here with the Welsh and Irish in conflict. Lithuanians vs Polish, northern Italians vs Sicilians, Eastern right Catholics vs Roman rite Catholics,
Polish Catholics vs Polish national Catholics(no pope for them) etc and yet in my parents generation there was so much intermarriage between the groups that everybody in my generation and the ones after us is a nice mix (no Hapsburg jaws around here).
My mother was raised Polish National Catholic. Apparently, in Buffalo (other places too also) the Polish built the churches, and Irish priests ran the places.
I have this strong nostalgic yearning for Central Europe as a mixing ground of all sorts, until I remember what happened. Sometimes I am the an Idiot.
The Claremont Institute is also the home of coup plotter John Eastman, disbarred in California, and law license suspended in D.C. Reading the list of complaints in the CA disbarment case, you have to wonder if the AG was not Garland if most of these creepy weirdos would be in jail already - including Trump. https://statesuniteddemocracy.org/resources/the-final-case/
White lady who shot her Black neighbor who was banging on her door, which was closed and locked, was convicted of manslaughter (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/aug/16/susan-lorincz-manslaughter-trial-verdict). Why manslaughter? 'Coz Florida. Tell me again how we are not a racist country, yet somehow this shit keeps happening. Usually without the conviction part, even.
Just been reading a work on the Civil War. Damn Germans saved the Union. They were being recruited like straight off the boats into the Union Army when the CSA had a numerical advantage in troops.
Why was that a good thing? Unlike the United States the German states pretty well had universal compulsory service from 1800 onwards. Which meant that they had already served in the military.
And that was also the reason that the Drumpf progenitor left Bavaria to run a whore-house in the Yukon. Avoiding the draft.
I disagree that Jack Murphy-nee-Goldman's beard screams "Russian Orthodox priest" so much as "Broadway/Hollywood villain." It's quite theatric!
(Note to Editrix: I really didn't need the details about alt-right canceling due to cuckoldry or ... ewww ... object insertion. Now I need to go scrub my overactive imagination with soap.)
Who gives a rat's ass whether the violence is "inter-ethnic" or not? Lily-white guys used to hang each other as witches. Hate crimes are real, so is bigotry. Don't let JD convince you that diversity caused it.
i love how when Germans immigrated to 'Merica they made no effort to integrate with the Anglo-Saxon, Puritan, Mayflower-descended folks. Brought their own money, and were like, bakery goes here, brewery goes there, build a beer garden over here, let's get a kindergarten started. . . then Prohibition and Hitler had to go and fuck everything up.
Especially interesting is that they had really started to fully integrate by the time of Prohibition and WWI. I wrote a paper on bilingual German/English Ed in Wisconsin and I was startled to discover during my research that the schools were dying out before WWI and not as a result of the war. Those German (Czech and Austrian, too) communities were around from before the Revolution and through the 19th C, but by the early 20th Century were far less separate than they’d been earlier.
It’s an interesting question I didn’t research an answer to. Some of it was probably the rising anti-immigrant and anti-Jewish sentiment driving older German populations to assert their Americanness via language change. Cars could definitely have helped, as the populations had an easier time moving around.
My grandfather’s parents were both born in the US but spoke German at home and both German and English in town (Appleton, WI) and I suspect in school in the 1880s/90s. Their wedding certificate was in German. But when my grandfather reached Kindergarten in 1912, he discovered that they only spoke English at school, and refused to speak German at home anymore. So they all switched to English, and all the brothers after him (born after they moved to Illinois; incidentally they moved from one sundown town to another so I suspect there was some racism and class stuff involved) had hardly any German at all unless they took it in high school. That’s all anecdote but obviously something happened that spurred the change more broadly.
More likely the parents using the ethnic language less and less. We had a slew of ethnic parishes using ethnic languages in Masses around here with the "sister" schools teaching the ethnic languages. All of those petered out due to lack of teaching nuns.
People were sticking together in ethnic enclaves too. We had Little England, the Polish Flats, the Jewish Flats (both flats were along the river) All 3 of those were redeveloped out of existence, after the big big floods in the middle 1950s when the place got rezoned. The Italians and Lebanese and Greeks were lucky that they lived on higher ground
Also people moving out of the low income ethnic neighborhoods and less use of the language at home. Italian, Polish, Lithuanian , Russian. My folks used Polish and Russian as their secret code language to discuss family scandals and gossip in front of the kids.
I believe you had to be in your 30s to hear that stuff in English.
This man has done only two cool things in his life, dressed in drag once and took a prank picture with some students in a boys' bathroom making a statement on gender roles or something. More and more he is revealed to be perfect for President Klan Robe's ticket...a multidimensionally awful, bigoted simulation of a human.
Must been the 80's, while US was having a talk with in-coming folks about how to be a good American. He seems to think that was a good and decent time of immigration. I wonder when Usha's parents came here.
That podcaster's beard was exactly what I mentally imagined from the first paragraph on.
Inquiring minds want to know: How would Goldman-Murphy* do that with a couch?
*The sucky Sixties sitcom writes itself.
Why aren't we relabeling the republican party as the cess pool party or the mental prison party? They have such angry, ugly, violent fantasy minds, many of them.
Germans were immigrating here from very early. Apparently there was talk of making German an official language of the country back in the constitutional times. Didn't the biggest wave of Irish come in the 1840s, with the famine and the coffin ships? Italians, along with Slavs, Scandihoovians, and Jews were 1880s and 1890s, and the peoples against whom we closed the open door. So we are confusing three different times here. Fucking mush for brains Eli...
I read somewhere that many Germans came with hard cash, so they saw themselves as “better” immigrants than those that were penniless.
Interesting. Could be true, I have no idea. Sutter came over and set himself up somehow. I don’t know if he started with seed money or bootstrapped himself. Swiss, but I’m willing to be vague about that. The Donners were German, and had done well for themselves in the states, but again, I don’t know what their stakes were.
Yeah, I don’t seem to have much of a frame of reference for German immigration to North America.
German was I think the 3rd or 4th most spoken language in Texas around the turn of the 20th century. The data may have been English Czech German Spanish Polish, I don't recall exactly. But during WWI, a great many people changed their names to more Anglicanized versions. (Also: not far from where I live is Fredericksburg, Texas, in which when I was a boy you could still hear some German spoken.)
I went through in the early oughts, and there was a bilingual menu in the restaurant we stopped at. Yeah, at one time, Mexico was getting everyone it could from Europe into Texas in a bid to keep USAian pro-slavery types in to hold the territory. We ended up with Mexican polkas, which is some sort of silver lining.
So, Claremont Institute hands out fellowships like Halloween candy, huh?
Are they fun-size or full-size fellowships.
Home-made in poorly sealed baggies, and they'll ooze some unidentified substance onto your other fellowships.
Long ago America had this massive wave of explorers and that had its problems, its consequences. Just ask the Native Americans.
I cannot figure out J.D. Vance, and maybe I should offer thanks to Ogma and Hecate for that, but it does occur to me that possibly he thinks these rotten ethnic slurs make him a kindred spirit with James Bond, which he may well consider a plus mark, Bond being an iconic figure of fantasy machismo. After all, in the novels, he pretty much despised anybody who wasn't WASP and English. When Tiger Tanaka fulminated against American dominance of Japan since WW2, and badmouthed American culture, Bond protested that this was "rough stuff" and that he had a lot of American friends who didn't equate with what Tiger was saying. He allowed that Tiger wasn't talking about "real" Americans, but presumably about second- and third-generation Poles, Italians and Irish who by rights should be digging potatoes in their countries of origin. (Note that second- and even third-generation citizenship in the U.S. doesn't make a person American.)
Mark you, in an auctorial aside, the writer does note that "Mr. Tanaka had been born in a Year of the Tiger, whereas Bond, as Tiger took much pleasure in telling him, had been born in a Year of the Rat."
Hey! So was Vance! 1984! Hmmmmmm ...
He's an opportunistic shit weasel
See too: Lindsey Graham.
He probably also thought that the Irish's home country should still be ruled by the English.
ah the good old days around here with the Welsh and Irish in conflict. Lithuanians vs Polish, northern Italians vs Sicilians, Eastern right Catholics vs Roman rite Catholics,
Polish Catholics vs Polish national Catholics(no pope for them) etc and yet in my parents generation there was so much intermarriage between the groups that everybody in my generation and the ones after us is a nice mix (no Hapsburg jaws around here).
My mother was raised Polish National Catholic. Apparently, in Buffalo (other places too also) the Polish built the churches, and Irish priests ran the places.
I have this strong nostalgic yearning for Central Europe as a mixing ground of all sorts, until I remember what happened. Sometimes I am the an Idiot.
"After all, in the novels..."
Yeah, you lost MAGA right there.
I am beginning to suspect that if J. D. Vance did not exist, trump would need to invent him. They are an amazing ticket.
James Donald BOWMAN has a name that's either Scottish or German in origin, so he is doubly talking out his ass.
I would suggest that's not all he's doing with his ass.....
The Claremont Institute is also the home of coup plotter John Eastman, disbarred in California, and law license suspended in D.C. Reading the list of complaints in the CA disbarment case, you have to wonder if the AG was not Garland if most of these creepy weirdos would be in jail already - including Trump. https://statesuniteddemocracy.org/resources/the-final-case/
White lady who shot her Black neighbor who was banging on her door, which was closed and locked, was convicted of manslaughter (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/aug/16/susan-lorincz-manslaughter-trial-verdict). Why manslaughter? 'Coz Florida. Tell me again how we are not a racist country, yet somehow this shit keeps happening. Usually without the conviction part, even.
If it had been a “he instead of a she” there probably wouldn’t have been a conviction.
Just been reading a work on the Civil War. Damn Germans saved the Union. They were being recruited like straight off the boats into the Union Army when the CSA had a numerical advantage in troops.
Why was that a good thing? Unlike the United States the German states pretty well had universal compulsory service from 1800 onwards. Which meant that they had already served in the military.
And that was also the reason that the Drumpf progenitor left Bavaria to run a whore-house in the Yukon. Avoiding the draft.
I disagree that Jack Murphy-nee-Goldman's beard screams "Russian Orthodox priest" so much as "Broadway/Hollywood villain." It's quite theatric!
(Note to Editrix: I really didn't need the details about alt-right canceling due to cuckoldry or ... ewww ... object insertion. Now I need to go scrub my overactive imagination with soap.)
It's always the not-quiet ones.
Just be glad that Murphy/Goldman's beard did not have a love child with trump's hair.
It looks like one of the heads on pikes that the Legion decorates its camps with in Fallout: New Vegas.
Duck Dynasty reject.
Big time, he might actually bathe.
Who gives a rat's ass whether the violence is "inter-ethnic" or not? Lily-white guys used to hang each other as witches. Hate crimes are real, so is bigotry. Don't let JD convince you that diversity caused it.
i love how when Germans immigrated to 'Merica they made no effort to integrate with the Anglo-Saxon, Puritan, Mayflower-descended folks. Brought their own money, and were like, bakery goes here, brewery goes there, build a beer garden over here, let's get a kindergarten started. . . then Prohibition and Hitler had to go and fuck everything up.
Especially interesting is that they had really started to fully integrate by the time of Prohibition and WWI. I wrote a paper on bilingual German/English Ed in Wisconsin and I was startled to discover during my research that the schools were dying out before WWI and not as a result of the war. Those German (Czech and Austrian, too) communities were around from before the Revolution and through the 19th C, but by the early 20th Century were far less separate than they’d been earlier.
The start of WWI certainly accelerated the assimilation.
so cars did them in?
It’s an interesting question I didn’t research an answer to. Some of it was probably the rising anti-immigrant and anti-Jewish sentiment driving older German populations to assert their Americanness via language change. Cars could definitely have helped, as the populations had an easier time moving around.
My grandfather’s parents were both born in the US but spoke German at home and both German and English in town (Appleton, WI) and I suspect in school in the 1880s/90s. Their wedding certificate was in German. But when my grandfather reached Kindergarten in 1912, he discovered that they only spoke English at school, and refused to speak German at home anymore. So they all switched to English, and all the brothers after him (born after they moved to Illinois; incidentally they moved from one sundown town to another so I suspect there was some racism and class stuff involved) had hardly any German at all unless they took it in high school. That’s all anecdote but obviously something happened that spurred the change more broadly.
More likely the parents using the ethnic language less and less. We had a slew of ethnic parishes using ethnic languages in Masses around here with the "sister" schools teaching the ethnic languages. All of those petered out due to lack of teaching nuns.
People were sticking together in ethnic enclaves too. We had Little England, the Polish Flats, the Jewish Flats (both flats were along the river) All 3 of those were redeveloped out of existence, after the big big floods in the middle 1950s when the place got rezoned. The Italians and Lebanese and Greeks were lucky that they lived on higher ground
Also people moving out of the low income ethnic neighborhoods and less use of the language at home. Italian, Polish, Lithuanian , Russian. My folks used Polish and Russian as their secret code language to discuss family scandals and gossip in front of the kids.
I believe you had to be in your 30s to hear that stuff in English.
What the fuck is Shady Vance's ethnic background?
This man has done only two cool things in his life, dressed in drag once and took a prank picture with some students in a boys' bathroom making a statement on gender roles or something. More and more he is revealed to be perfect for President Klan Robe's ticket...a multidimensionally awful, bigoted simulation of a human.
A lot of the ancestral Appalachian stock came over as a result of the Highland Clearances after Colloden. (sp)
sure. . . it just happened the one time.
Well the permanent eyeliner does raise that question, I have a theory Sugar-daddy Thiel made him do it. Because he was so unattractive.