In Melbourne, Victoria I was out searching for my tiny yorkshire terrier boy who was lost by his foster parents. Originally from California, I was daunted by the immensity of the Bush/forest surrounding this well populated area.
It was near dark and as my husband and I were driving looking for little Cupid, the Yorkie, I saw a grey thing run from our headlights, I jumped from the car and ran towards it. The Animal ran into a tiny concrete pipe, so down on my knees in the dirt, with our headlights trained on the pipe I spotted a grey ball plugging up the middle of the pipe.
I called and called, then saw what looked like burns, and possibly blood, there was no hair on it. I did what every red blooded American would do, I poked it with a stick. It moved, but I couldn't get it out, I tried for quite awhile. Alas it wasn't my poor boy but a Wombat!
Two days after my boy had gone missing it was 35 degrees Celsius, in Melbourne this time of year that is crazy. The weather/climate is off the charts changed, hot is 5 degrees to 10 hotter, and same with cold weather, 5-10 degrees colder. It is not arsonists, these rwnj need to pull their heads out of their asses! Climate change has happened big time.
We've had droughts for 10 years and the dry vegetation plus much hotter weather and wind has made the whole country a horror, much akin to hell. Sadly the climate deniers will eventually believe, a little too late I fear.
I just heard about a family of three adults, two children and they are bringing a premie set of twins out of hospital Friday, home was burned down, nothing left, no where to go. There are too many stories like this. tRump is wasting time with his f'kn antics, this new norm is going to kill us all if all countries do not work hard and fast on this issue of climate change!Mrsmc tl sorry
Because I have a visceral reaction against anybody who discounts the effect of human activity upon this planet. In fact I studied climate change as part of my degree requirement back in the early 90's when scientists were first making rumblings about what we're doing to the environment. All I've seen since then are lies, gaslighting, obfuscation, and denial coming from our government and media, and now it's too late. I don't want to live on a shattered Earth but it seems that thanks to powerful interests, this reality is becoming inevitable. And it pisses me off to no end.
BTW the Wiki link you provided actually refutes your initial statement. I scrolled through all the fire seasons leading up to 2019 and this year is definitely the worst.
The 2019–20 bushfire season is of notable intensity compared to previous seasons as it has burned an estimated 10.7 million hectares (26 million acres; 107,000 square kilometres; 41,000 square miles), destroyed over 5,900 buildings (including over 2,204 homes) and killed 28 people as of 8 January 2020.[5][6][7][8][9][10][11] The bushfires are regarded by the NSW Rural Fire Service as the worst bushfire season in memory.
Needs more facts. Especially if you hope to bring a decisive majority on board. Some of the climate enthusiasts have let their scenariii run way into hyperbole, helped along by the low degree of scientific literacy in the media and in the public, and it's not productive in the long run.
I don't understand your need for more facts. More facts for what? What is the point of having more facts? To debate as to whether or not these are the worst fires in the history of Australia or not? WHO FUCKING CARES? The fact is that fires are growing larger and more intense as they are fueled by the very climate change that the Australian government refuses to admit is happening. More homes are being lost, more people are being displaced, more animals are dying. Yes, many plant species in Australia need bushfires to reproduce and fire is a necessary component. But this is something COMPLETELY different.
Right on, yes yes yes! Not in a happy way, just really enthusiastically agree with you. Had to go get a professional face mask for here in Melbourne. The smoke has reached us, and I have a very bad heart, my doc said to go where the air is better, I asked if he knew anywhere in Australia with better air, and he said no with sadness in his voice. Yes it was a half billion animals dead last week, guesstimating it would be much more.Mrsmc
And I totally agree with you. But I honestly don't see how this narrative is being disingenuous in any way, considering that it's coming from actual SCIENTISTS. Your initial statement:
For those who are interested in facts, the fires this year are definitely not the greatest and most intense Australia has ever seen, either in surface area or in human impact.
Has been refuted by the DATA that I provided for you. But you seem to be unwilling or unable to accept that data or admit that your initial statement was incorrect. So that's why I'm calling you out.
You say you don't have an agenda? Sounds to me like you do.
Worst in extent since 2004-2005. That's not quite the same as worst ever. For structures and casualties, Australia has had way worse (including, for casualties and structures to date, the 2009 fires). For area burned, it would be better to have data that distinguishes forest fire from bush fire. 1974-75 was well in excess of 100 million hectares.
The NSW rural fire service, as its name implies, is referencing NSW fires, not Australia as a whole.
When I saw Groove Tube in college, I don’t think that I had ever laughed harder in my life. The “4th of July Heritage Loaf” clip (brought to you by Kramp Easy Lube) left me in convulsions.
Human impact: 60 casualties in the 1926 bushfires; 71 in the 1938 black Friday fires; 62 in the 1967 black Tuesday fires; 75 in the 1983 Ash Wednesday fires; 173 in the 2009 black Saturday fires.
Surface area: over 100 million hectares in 1974-75.
Different scenario, but has anybody else read 'On the Beach'?
Do you want me to tell you what I think that argument is worth?
In Melbourne, Victoria I was out searching for my tiny yorkshire terrier boy who was lost by his foster parents. Originally from California, I was daunted by the immensity of the Bush/forest surrounding this well populated area.
It was near dark and as my husband and I were driving looking for little Cupid, the Yorkie, I saw a grey thing run from our headlights, I jumped from the car and ran towards it. The Animal ran into a tiny concrete pipe, so down on my knees in the dirt, with our headlights trained on the pipe I spotted a grey ball plugging up the middle of the pipe.
I called and called, then saw what looked like burns, and possibly blood, there was no hair on it. I did what every red blooded American would do, I poked it with a stick. It moved, but I couldn't get it out, I tried for quite awhile. Alas it wasn't my poor boy but a Wombat!
Two days after my boy had gone missing it was 35 degrees Celsius, in Melbourne this time of year that is crazy. The weather/climate is off the charts changed, hot is 5 degrees to 10 hotter, and same with cold weather, 5-10 degrees colder. It is not arsonists, these rwnj need to pull their heads out of their asses! Climate change has happened big time.
We've had droughts for 10 years and the dry vegetation plus much hotter weather and wind has made the whole country a horror, much akin to hell. Sadly the climate deniers will eventually believe, a little too late I fear.
I just heard about a family of three adults, two children and they are bringing a premie set of twins out of hospital Friday, home was burned down, nothing left, no where to go. There are too many stories like this. tRump is wasting time with his f'kn antics, this new norm is going to kill us all if all countries do not work hard and fast on this issue of climate change!Mrsmc tl sorry
Because I have a visceral reaction against anybody who discounts the effect of human activity upon this planet. In fact I studied climate change as part of my degree requirement back in the early 90's when scientists were first making rumblings about what we're doing to the environment. All I've seen since then are lies, gaslighting, obfuscation, and denial coming from our government and media, and now it's too late. I don't want to live on a shattered Earth but it seems that thanks to powerful interests, this reality is becoming inevitable. And it pisses me off to no end.
We fucked up the planet and now we're suffering for it. That's really the only narrative that counts.
BTW the Wiki link you provided actually refutes your initial statement. I scrolled through all the fire seasons leading up to 2019 and this year is definitely the worst.
The 2019–20 bushfire season is of notable intensity compared to previous seasons as it has burned an estimated 10.7 million hectares (26 million acres; 107,000 square kilometres; 41,000 square miles), destroyed over 5,900 buildings (including over 2,204 homes) and killed 28 people as of 8 January 2020.[5][6][7][8][9][10][11] The bushfires are regarded by the NSW Rural Fire Service as the worst bushfire season in memory.
Needs more facts. Especially if you hope to bring a decisive majority on board. Some of the climate enthusiasts have let their scenariii run way into hyperbole, helped along by the low degree of scientific literacy in the media and in the public, and it's not productive in the long run.
Even if some of the fires were started by arsonists, there's a reason why they spread so quickly and are now burning out of control.
Rhymes with "shmimate shmange."
I don't understand your need for more facts. More facts for what? What is the point of having more facts? To debate as to whether or not these are the worst fires in the history of Australia or not? WHO FUCKING CARES? The fact is that fires are growing larger and more intense as they are fueled by the very climate change that the Australian government refuses to admit is happening. More homes are being lost, more people are being displaced, more animals are dying. Yes, many plant species in Australia need bushfires to reproduce and fire is a necessary component. But this is something COMPLETELY different.
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Right on, yes yes yes! Not in a happy way, just really enthusiastically agree with you. Had to go get a professional face mask for here in Melbourne. The smoke has reached us, and I have a very bad heart, my doc said to go where the air is better, I asked if he knew anywhere in Australia with better air, and he said no with sadness in his voice. Yes it was a half billion animals dead last week, guesstimating it would be much more.Mrsmc
I helped track the ozone hole in the 80s. The instruments to which I contributed are actually still in operation around the world.
I wasn't discounting. I believe in the power of truth. In the long run, an accurate narrative is better than a compelling but disingenuous narrative.
And I totally agree with you. But I honestly don't see how this narrative is being disingenuous in any way, considering that it's coming from actual SCIENTISTS. Your initial statement:
For those who are interested in facts, the fires this year are definitely not the greatest and most intense Australia has ever seen, either in surface area or in human impact.
Has been refuted by the DATA that I provided for you. But you seem to be unwilling or unable to accept that data or admit that your initial statement was incorrect. So that's why I'm calling you out.
You say you don't have an agenda? Sounds to me like you do.
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Worst in extent since 2004-2005. That's not quite the same as worst ever. For structures and casualties, Australia has had way worse (including, for casualties and structures to date, the 2009 fires). For area burned, it would be better to have data that distinguishes forest fire from bush fire. 1974-75 was well in excess of 100 million hectares.
The NSW rural fire service, as its name implies, is referencing NSW fires, not Australia as a whole.
When I saw Groove Tube in college, I don’t think that I had ever laughed harder in my life. The “4th of July Heritage Loaf” clip (brought to you by Kramp Easy Lube) left me in convulsions.
https://www.youtube.com/wat...
Human impact: 60 casualties in the 1926 bushfires; 71 in the 1938 black Friday fires; 62 in the 1967 black Tuesday fires; 75 in the 1983 Ash Wednesday fires; 173 in the 2009 black Saturday fires.
Surface area: over 100 million hectares in 1974-75.
You are possessed by attachment to a narrative.